Would have loved to see Calzaghe school Froch but i think my fav to see would have been RJJ vs Nigel Benn....
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Would have loved to see Calzaghe school Froch but i think my fav to see would have been RJJ vs Nigel Benn....
Hatton vs Witter
Hopkins-Johnny Nelson
jones jr-hopkins II
hamed-morales
hatton-witter i presume has already been mentioned
sky built that up like hell for years presuming 2 british welterweight world champions were gonna obviously gonna have to fight one another.
Shame witter couldnt of got himself over in america as the fight would definitely of happened. If he had of beaten bradley and still be champ ive no doubt there would of been enough hype to get the fight over stateside!!
I can't believe more people haven't mentioned Trinidad vs. Mosley. That fight would have been awesome. The other one I always wanted to see was Winky Wright vs. Oscar De La Hoya but I mentioned the Trinidad vs. Mosley fight first as I think it would have been a more entertaining fight.
de la hoya-wright was always a strange one for me as to why it didnt happenQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Oscar, sugar shane, winky and vargas seemed to primarily fight one another all the time. Im pretty sure thats the only fight that didnt happen between those 4!!
Add Trinidad and Mayorga to that list as well. All 6 of those made 147/154 very entertaining to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerde la hoya-wright was always a strange one for me as to why it didnt happenQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Oscar, sugar shane, winky and vargas seemed to primarily fight one another all the time. Im pretty sure thats the only fight that didnt happen between those 4!!
Add Vernon Forrest in as well then. Just on this whole why Oscar thing, people always say that he didn't duck the best, but in truth he never fought any of the best guys at 147 or 154 if they weren't bringing a load of cash. That's cool it is a business after all, but it gets on my nerves when people say he always went after the best, then he should of focused on fighting one of Forrest or Winky at 154 at some point this decade. He always went after the Pound For Pound champ (Shane, B-Hop, PBF, Pac) because of the money it brought rather than fight legitimate threats around those weights. I'm a big fan of Oscar but it seems since he retired people are looking at him through rose-tinted spectacles. Personally I give Mosley the most credit, I think he was always a weight division behind Trinidad (ie Shane 135:Tito 147, Shane 147: Tito 154, Shane 154: Tito 160) and that's why that never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAdd Trinidad and Mayorga to that list as well. All 6 of those made 147/154 very entertaining to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerde la hoya-wright was always a strange one for me as to why it didnt happenQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Oscar, sugar shane, winky and vargas seemed to primarily fight one another all the time. Im pretty sure thats the only fight that didnt happen between those 4!!
certainly didQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAdd Vernon Forrest in as well then. Just on this whole why Oscar thing, people always say that he didn't duck the best, but in truth he never fought any of the best guys at 147 or 154 if they weren't bringing a load of cash. That's cool it is a business after all, but it gets on my nerves when people say he always went after the best, then he should of focused on fighting one of Forrest or Winky at 154 at some point this decade. He always went after the Pound For Pound champ (Shane, B-Hop, PBF, Pac) because of the money it brought rather than fight legitimate threats around those weights. I'm a big fan of Oscar but it seems since he retired people are looking at him through rose-tinted spectacles. Personally I give Mosley the most credit, I think he was always a weight division behind Trinidad (ie Shane 135:Tito 147, Shane 147: Tito 154, Shane 154: Tito 160) and that's why that never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAdd Trinidad and Mayorga to that list as well. All 6 of those made 147/154 very entertaining to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
people moaned about oscar fighting sturm despite the fact oscar was moving up the weights, had just been beat and was fighting a current world champion for his title :confused::confused::confused:
Other than that ODLH has pretty much gone after the best all the time much like gatti did despite the endless beatings he took!!
I believe if Mosley had beaten Winky it would have happened, as Trinidad was there to scout the fight. Its a real shame for me though, it would have been a cracker.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAdd Vernon Forrest in as well then. Just on this whole why Oscar thing, people always say that he didn't duck the best, but in truth he never fought any of the best guys at 147 or 154 if they weren't bringing a load of cash. That's cool it is a business after all, but it gets on my nerves when people say he always went after the best, then he should of focused on fighting one of Forrest or Winky at 154 at some point this decade. He always went after the Pound For Pound champ (Shane, B-Hop, PBF, Pac) because of the money it brought rather than fight legitimate threats around those weights. I'm a big fan of Oscar but it seems since he retired people are looking at him through rose-tinted spectacles. Personally I give Mosley the most credit, I think he was always a weight division behind Trinidad (ie Shane 135:Tito 147, Shane 147: Tito 154, Shane 154: Tito 160) and that's why that never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAdd Trinidad and Mayorga to that list as well. All 6 of those made 147/154 very entertaining to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Disagree mate, the Sturm fight seemed about making some legacy, him being the first 6 weight world champion & all that, it was set before the fight began that he would win it. Was setting him up for a big money Hopkins fight. He's only gone after the best if it made financial sense. I mean don't get me wrong, he's been a great, but if the guy wasn't a big enough name or didn't have a title he wasn't interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammercertainly didQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAdd Vernon Forrest in as well then. Just on this whole why Oscar thing, people always say that he didn't duck the best, but in truth he never fought any of the best guys at 147 or 154 if they weren't bringing a load of cash. That's cool it is a business after all, but it gets on my nerves when people say he always went after the best, then he should of focused on fighting one of Forrest or Winky at 154 at some point this decade. He always went after the Pound For Pound champ (Shane, B-Hop, PBF, Pac) because of the money it brought rather than fight legitimate threats around those weights. I'm a big fan of Oscar but it seems since he retired people are looking at him through rose-tinted spectacles. Personally I give Mosley the most credit, I think he was always a weight division behind Trinidad (ie Shane 135:Tito 147, Shane 147: Tito 154, Shane 154: Tito 160) and that's why that never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
people moaned about oscar fighting sturm despite the fact oscar was moving up the weights, had just been beat and was fighting a current world champion for his title :confused::confused::confused:
Other than that ODLH has pretty much gone after the best all the time much like gatti did despite the endless beatings he took!!
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinDisagree mate, the Sturm fight seemed about making some legacy, him being the first 6 weight world champion & all that, it was set before the fight began that he would win it. Was setting him up for a big money Hopkins fight. He's only gone after the best if it made financial sense. I mean don't get me wrong, he's been a great, but if the guy wasn't a big enough name or didn't have a title he wasn't interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammercertainly didQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
people moaned about oscar fighting sturm despite the fact oscar was moving up the weights, had just been beat and was fighting a current world champion for his title :confused::confused::confused:
Other than that ODLH has pretty much gone after the best all the time much like gatti did despite the endless beatings he took!!
the fight was completely split down the middle 50/50 despite all these supposed conspiracy theorys i genuinely believe it was a genuine call from the 3 judges mixed with a tad of reluctancy not to score the fight for ODLH and secure a mega million hopkins-ODLH showdown
felix can count himself very unlucky...but it was no eugene williams scoring round 5 for holyfield against lewis type robbery!!
Isn't that what you want though? A fighter going after the big names and thus getting the casual fan interested in boxing? In todays boxing society, few have as many big name fights on their record as Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinDisagree mate, the Sturm fight seemed about making some legacy, him being the first 6 weight world champion & all that, it was set before the fight began that he would win it. Was setting him up for a big money Hopkins fight. He's only gone after the best if it made financial sense. I mean don't get me wrong, he's been a great, but if the guy wasn't a big enough name or didn't have a title he wasn't interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammercertainly didQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
people moaned about oscar fighting sturm despite the fact oscar was moving up the weights, had just been beat and was fighting a current world champion for his title :confused::confused::confused:
Other than that ODLH has pretty much gone after the best all the time much like gatti did despite the endless beatings he took!!
No that's definitely true, but what it meant was that guys who'd really come up the hard way like Winky didn't get the opportunities they deserved. It also created the problem that casual fans would only be interested if there was a 'superfight', generally involving Oscar. Almost no one has as many big fights on their record as Oscar, but most times these fights were all based in his favour (not a problem he's the star), and he could have given guys like Winky who were unknown outside the sport a chance. Let's face it Oscar could have fought a punchbag, and the MGM Grand would of still been packed & PPV sales through the roof. On the Sturm fight, I do feel it was a robbery, not of Holyfield-Lewis proportions, but more than other alleged robberies like ODLH-Tito. I thought Sturm was taking it handily, it just seemed that as his career went on, Oscar was always getting that bit of help from the judges (see scoring against PBF, Forbes, hell even against Pacquiao he was somehow getting given rounds). I'm having quite a random rant against him here, normally like him :confused:, I'm not even a Winky Wright fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIsn't that what you want though? A fighter going after the big names and thus getting the casual fan interested in boxing? In todays boxing society, few have as many big name fights on their record as Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinDisagree mate, the Sturm fight seemed about making some legacy, him being the first 6 weight world champion & all that, it was set before the fight began that he would win it. Was setting him up for a big money Hopkins fight. He's only gone after the best if it made financial sense. I mean don't get me wrong, he's been a great, but if the guy wasn't a big enough name or didn't have a title he wasn't interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I see what your saying. I think its created a problem in now that he's gone, casual fans are wondering who to watch. I don't think he invisaged Pacquiao making such a name for himself from that fight. Still, I have no problem with Oscar. Yeah he avoided Winky, but he fought everyone else and considering the number of fights he has on his record, I find it stunning how many big names are on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinNo that's definitely true, but what it meant was that guys who'd really come up the hard way like Winky didn't get the opportunities they deserved. It also created the problem that casual fans would only be interested if there was a 'superfight', generally involving Oscar. Almost no one has as many big fights on their record as Oscar, but most times these fights were all based in his favour (not a problem he's the star), and he could have given guys like Winky who were unknown outside the sport a chance. Let's face it Oscar could have fought a punchbag, and the MGM Grand would of still been packed & PPV sales through the roof. On the Sturm fight, I do feel it was a robbery, not of Holyfield-Lewis proportions, but more than other alleged robberies like ODLH-Tito. I thought Sturm was taking it handily, it just seemed that as his career went on, Oscar was always getting that bit of help from the judges (see scoring against PBF, Forbes, hell even against Pacquiao he was somehow getting given rounds). I'm having quite a random rant against him here, normally like him :confused:, I'm not even a Winky Wright fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIsn't that what you want though? A fighter going after the big names and thus getting the casual fan interested in boxing? In todays boxing society, few have as many big name fights on their record as Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin