they robbed clottey

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer

Cotto is marketable. Cotto has a strong fan base. More people want to see Cotto fight than see Clottey fight. Cotto generates more money than Clottey. Cotto has a more pleasing style than Clottey. Cotto makes more exciting fights than Clottey. So one score card was off. Thats why.

The other two cards were legitimate.



Clottey isnt stupid. Or maybe he is. He admitted how difficult it would be a to win a decision in MSG but still took off the final, most important rounds of the fight then tried to pull some whining that made him look bad in front of everyone. Its not Cottos fault he won, it's Clotteys fault Cotto won.

Cotto looked a hell of a lot more gassed to me and he kept throwing punches. Couldnt Clottey tough it out and let his hands go a bit? Thats his own fault!

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You realize that even if Clottey had won the 11, and the 12th rounds he was getting a draw? He won the 10th and that ensured a draw if he won the last 2.

I think it was obvious how dominant he was by the time the 9th round rolled around. But on the scorecards he was already far enough behind that he wasn't getting a decision, only a draw at most.

So you can't say "Its Cllottey's own fault" when even if he'd finished strong the most he'd have gotten was a draw The fact that by the end of the 9th Cotto was so far ahead that Clottey needed a knockout to win. You can't blame that on Clottey

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Im not even arguing about the 116-111 card. But he knew the situation. He could have acted in a way which could not have been denied. Instead he turned in these relaxed, ambiguous rounds that of course are going to Cotto for the reasons I mentioned.

I dont understand it. Maybe Clottey likes to feel like the world is going against him. In the fight thread someone even posted the fight must be fixed cause Clottey would just let Cotto off the hook when it looked like he could do damage. The way Clottey fought at times, I dont know if he even wanted it.

It was a great fight and honestly could have gone either way but I felt Cotto shaded it.

I think Kellerman summed it up perfectly when he said Clottey was the better fighter, Cotto the better man.

For me it was Cotto who displayed the heart of a champion, coming back from adversity without complaint, and winning the championship rounds, or the 12th at least, and getting the decisive knockdown.

Clottey for all his talent for me doesn't have a champions heart. He gave a performance Christiano Ronaldo would have been proud of when he fell and hurt his knee and then rather pathetically tried to get a point deduction from Cotto claiming a back of the head injury in the final round.

Cotto could have pulled out after 5 or 6 rounds and won on points due to the accidental cut but instead he displayed a champion's courage and won the fight over 12 rounds.

I have no doubt had the roles been reversed Clottey would have been out of there in 6 and got a technical win, he just seems to exaggerate all his injuries and injustices and in such situations, when a fight is has close as this I'd always hope they give it to the fighter who fought like a real man, which was Cotto tonight.

It was similar in a way to the Winky Taylor fight, Clottey like Wright had the fight going into the 12th but with victory within his grasp he took his foot off the pedal and didn't give his all. He can moan and bitch but ultimately the loss was his own doing.

I do agree that 116-111 was far too wide though, only a point or 2 either way in this one.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer

Cotto is marketable. Cotto has a strong fan base. More people want to see Cotto fight than see Clottey fight. Cotto generates more money than Clottey. Cotto has a more pleasing style than Clottey. Cotto makes more exciting fights than Clottey. So one score card was off. Thats why.

The other two cards were legitimate.



Clottey isnt stupid. Or maybe he is. He admitted how difficult it would be a to win a decision in MSG but still took off the final, most important rounds of the fight then tried to pull some whining that made him look bad in front of everyone. Its not Cottos fault he won, it's Clotteys fault Cotto won.

Cotto looked a hell of a lot more gassed to me and he kept throwing punches. Couldnt Clottey tough it out and let his hands go a bit? Thats his own fault!

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You realize that even if Clottey had won the 11, and the 12th rounds he was getting a draw? He won the 10th and that ensured a draw if he won the last 2.

I think it was obvious how dominant he was by the time the 9th round rolled around. But on the scorecards he was already far enough behind that he wasn't getting a decision, only a draw at most.

So you can't say "Its Cllottey's own fault" when even if he'd finished strong the most he'd have gotten was a draw The fact that by the end of the 9th Cotto was so far ahead that Clottey needed a knockout to win. You can't blame that on Clottey

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Im not even arguing about the 116-111 card. But he knew the situation. He could have acted in a way which could not have been denied. Instead he turned in these relaxed, ambiguous rounds that of course are going to Cotto for the reasons I mentioned.

I dont understand it. Maybe Clottey likes to feel like the world is going against him. In the fight thread someone even posted the fight must be fixed cause Clottey would just let Cotto off the hook when it looked like he could do damage. The way Clottey fought at times, I dont know if he even wanted it.

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What I'm saying is it isnt worth complaining that Clottey didn't do enough late when by the end of the 9th round he was already so far behind on the scorecards he needed a knockout to win. And thats something you can't blame Clottey for. He wasn't getting a decision anyway

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

no robbery dude it was a close fight, i had Cotto winning 114-113, IMO without the cut it would have been a completely different fight, rematch wouldn't be out of the question, good fight though

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Exactly. The cut changed the whole complexion of the fight. Without it there would have been far less running from Cotto, who simply couldn't see the punches coming.

Cotto edged it, Clottey gave it away when he should have been trying to dominate the end. He didn't do enough.

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And Clottey getting thrown down and hurting his knee didn't change anything :confused:

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watch the replay, Clottey was desperately trying to clinch and was half way on Cotto's back, there's no need for that

What Bilbo said

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It was a great fight and honestly could have gone either way but I felt Cotto shaded it.

I think Kellerman summed it up perfectly when he said Clottey was the better fighter, Cotto the better man.

For me it was Cotto who displayed the heart of a champion, coming back from adversity without complaint, and winning the championship rounds, or the 12th at least, and getting the decisive knockdown.

Clottey for all his talent for me doesn't have a champions heart. He gave a performance Christiano Ronaldo would have been proud of when he fell and hurt his knee and then rather pathetically tried to get a point deduction from Cotto claiming a back of the head injury in the final round.

Cotto could have pulled out after 5 or 6 rounds and won on points due to the accidental cut but instead he displayed a champion's courage and won the fight over 12 rounds.

I have no doubt had the roles been reversed Clottey would have been out of there in 6 and got a technical win, he just seems to exaggerate all his injuries and injustices and in such situations, when a fight is has close as this I'd always hope they give it to the fighter who fought like a real man, which was Cotto tonight.

It was similar in a way to the Winky Taylor fight, Clottey like Wright had the fight going into the 12th but with victory within his grasp he took his foot off the pedal and didn't give his all. He can moan and bitch but ultimately the loss was his own doing.

I do agree that 116-111 was far too wide though, only a point or 2 either way in this one.

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Great Post!!!;)

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Not nearly as much. The only round that it looked maybe it had an effect was the sixth (and who knows what's going through Clottey's head, he's a strange dude) and like they said Clottey's not a footwork fighter. On the other hand Cotto seemed to clearly have a problem seeing the right for about ten rounds.

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Clottey isn't a footwork fighter no, but he throws a great left hook and a good jab, without your left leg to plant that they aren't gonna be very effective.

Notice how Clottey's left hook and jab disappeared after he was thrown down?

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I noticed more the right hand missing. Everything was missing. Clottey not saying anything about it is pretty much open and shut, dude's like Marlon Wayans in I'm gonna get you Sucka when he gets the splinter, he's a bit dramatic about injuries.

Or Damon Wayans, I can't be sure.

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Not nearly as much. The only round that it looked maybe it had an effect was the sixth (and who knows what's going through Clottey's head, he's a strange dude) and like they said Clottey's not a footwork fighter. On the other hand Cotto seemed to clearly have a problem seeing the right for about ten rounds.

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Clottey isn't a footwork fighter no, but he throws a great left hook and a good jab, without your left leg to plant that they aren't gonna be very effective.

Notice how Clottey's left hook and jab disappeared after he was thrown down?

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I noticed more the right hand missing. Everything was missing. Clottey not saying anything about it is pretty much open and shut, dude's like Marlon Wayans in I'm gonna get you Sucka when he gets the splinter, he's a bit dramatic about injuries.

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yeah the right hand was missing, he wasn't setting it up with anything. like I Said his left hook and jab disappeared after getting thrown down.


All this can be settled if they had a rematch.

But I've just thought of a perfect fight for 147 now.

How about Clottey vs Collazo? Both of these guys feel like the bad luck fighters of the division so why not fight each other? Winner fights Berto.

I think Clottey should go for Margarito if he can get there before Cotto. I think he takes him out this time. Otherwise, it might be an idea to move up the Light-Middle, where he'd be probably go to being the 2nd best guy in the division, maybe the best if PW goes to 160

Clottey had some problems slipping as well. There were several points in the fight were I felt he was going to get off and land well on Cotto but a slip would interrupt his flow.

I felt he should have been able to stop Cotto because of the cut, but he didn't press like Margarito did. To Cotto's credit he did seem a little more composed when running which probably helped his stamina in the late rounds.

I would love to see a rematch.

A fight with Pac would be interesting. I think Pac is too fast for Cotto, but I think Cotto's size would earn him the role as the aggressor, which is how he fights best. So it would be a tough fight to call.

Yep, they robbed Clottey. It was the judges fault that if Clottey had thrown some punches and landed them he would have won the 12th and squeeze out a draw, but it was Cotto who won the last round which had him winning by 1 point on one of the judges scorecards.

With the sarcasm aside, it's not a robbery.

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Ditto.

It was a close fight that could've gone to either fighter, but Cotto edged it (by one round) by being the better fighter in the championship rounds.

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Yep, they robbed Clottey. It was the judges fault that if Clottey had thrown some punches and landed them he would have won the 12th and squeeze out a draw, but it was Cotto who won the last round which had him winning by 1 point on one of the judges scorecards.

With the sarcasm aside, it's not a robbery.

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Why the hell would he need to squeeze out a draw when he won. He could have won 10-12 and still only managed a draw when he clearly won 5, maybe could have had 6 rounds in the bag by the ninth round...even Manny had the tone of "What fucking fight are you two watching" in reference to Lampley and Kellerman clearly ball licking Cotto all night. Even tried to suggest that cotto's people have the doc stop the fight because they felt he was up on the cards. What a bunch of HBO bullshit...


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I realize that even if Clottey won the championship rounds he would have still lost by the judges scoring, but as fans we always keep our own scorecards.

If he (clottey) fought harder those two rounds I think he would have clearly won. It was a close fight and could have gone either way the way I saw it. I'm going to watch it again tomorrow and score it.