Pacquiao Orders Arum To Make Cotto Bout, Nov. 14

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

"If you wanna be the champion, if you wanna take my title, I think you better have to come and take it."
Marvin Hagler to all the guys who challenged him.


I have always loved this quote. If Pacman wants Cotto's title and belts fight him at his best which is 147. A catchweight is a farce, especially if it's for any titles.

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I think Team PAC will not force for a title/belt to be at stake... What Team PAC will surely negotiate is the catchweight...

I'm also guessing PAC will be the favorite in the betting against Cotto...;)
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No catch weights. Many fans really don't like that catch weight thing. If Pacman can't fight someone at their best, then just don't fight. I sure wonder if Roberto Duran ever had a catch weight clause in his contract against Hearns, Leonard, Hagler? And considering he was about the same height and build as Pacman.

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I have no problem with catchweights as long as no one was FORCED to accept a catchweight...;D Catchweight do exist in boxing and I believed if a boxer agree to a catchweight then that boxer believed that he can win the fight at that catchweight...;D No problem at all...;D

duran started at 118 according to boxrec :) pac on the other hand started at 106. thats a 12lb difference duran to me looks like big boned and bulkier than pac.

pac is actually fighting over his limit, its just that there are no opponents with quality for him to fight at lower weights. and the big money is on the higher weights thats why pacs team is pushing every bit just to make it a more even match.

What happened to the Mosley fight? Mosley called Roach's bluff in every aspect and they realized that would be a bad matchup for Pac. Cotto right now is all right for Pac. Cotto is possibly about 2 fights from being shot. He has taken tremendous punishment in his career and much as of recent. His skin has a lot of scar tissue and will be susceptible to cuts every fight now. Roach and Pac saw what everyone else did. Cotto is ripe for the picking and even riper if they can get him to drain himself below 147. Cotto is war-ridden and getting softened up more and more. He needs to take a break until next year. But he is too much of a warrior and we will see him soon. Despite how Arum tried to cover it up that cut is very bad and will only be thin skin in November.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

duran started at 118 according to boxrec :) pac on the other hand started at 106. thats a 12lb difference duran to me looks like big boned and bulkier than pac.

pac is actually fighting over his limit, its just that there are no opponents with quality for him to fight at lower weights. and the big money is on the higher weights thats why pacs team is pushing every bit just to make it a more even match.

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And Duran fought even higher than his body's limit going toe to toe with the great Marvin Hagler and even won a belt at that weight against Barkley. Pretty impressive for a guy that started at 118 huh? But he didn't do it at a catch weight. The only other superstar fighter that did that was Leonard against Lalonde for his light heavy weight title. Hence many real boxing fans think that Leonard was unworthy of the nickname Sugar Ray.

I say if this fight happens Pacman kos Cotto after Cotto weight drains himself at 141 pounds for the welterweight title fight. Cotto accepts the fight after he is offered an offer he can't refuse like something in the neighborhood of $8 million for the fight guaranteed with a percentage of the ppv sales.

This fight at any catchweight is a farce just like the Leonard-Lalonde fight.

I still see Cotto beating Pac, not changing my view.

excuse my ignorance but I thought PAC-Mosley was pretty much done,
what happened there?

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Originally Posted by Phil

excuse my ignorance but I thought PAC-Mosley was pretty much done,
what happened there?

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Pac turned :chick07mj8:.

Shame really because it's a quality matchup.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Phil

excuse my ignorance but I thought PAC-Mosley was pretty much done,
what happened there?

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Pac turned :chick07mj8:.

Shame really because it's a quality matchup.

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I really think Mosley would destroy Pac. Mosley is a big Welter Weight, who has been in with people as big as Winky, I think he would beat Pac down.

i prefer mosley pac or pbf pac too... maybe im just asking too much from pac fighting above his limit. as ive said duran is naturally bigger than pac and duran doesnt rely too much on speed he is slugger unlike pac who relies so much on his speed and workrate. duran is btw may fave fighter b4 pac.

if pac chickened out atleast he is set to fight a bigger guy unlike the other fighter who is set to fight a much smaller fighter and is going to fight a much much smaller calderon! ehehehehehe whats lower than a chicken?

pac will beat Cotto. but if it aint at 147 i give Pac no credit for the win. i think pac can beat him at 147 too but i rather see him do it.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

i prefer mosley pac or pbf pac too... maybe im just asking too much from pac fighting above his limit. as ive said duran is naturally bigger than pac and duran doesnt rely too much on speed he is slugger unlike pac who relies so much on his speed and workrate. duran is btw may fave fighter b4 pac.

if pac chickened out atleast he is set to fight a bigger guy unlike the other fighter who is set to fight a much smaller fighter and is going to fight a much much smaller calderon! ehehehehehe whats lower than a chicken?

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Floyd did go up to fight Oscar. But otherwise he hasn't fought a top WW since about 1874. And I don't include Zab Judah because he is a tea cake. Floys is indeed very annoying these days. Pac would probably have to go down in weight for a Floyd v Pac fight to ever happen! :vd:

They are all annoying and make my head want to explode into tiny little fragments. Catch weight this and that with Manny and Floyd with his "I'll never fight a man the same size as me" schtick. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Phil

excuse my ignorance but I thought PAC-Mosley was pretty much done,
what happened there?

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Pac turned :chick07mj8:.

Shame really because it's a quality matchup.

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I really think Mosley would destroy Pac. Mosley is a big Welter Weight, who has been in with people as big as Winky, I think he would beat Pac down.

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Pac would only win if Mosley has lost a step. Otherwise, I totally agree. He's a big WW and has handspeed too. And a chin that seldom buzzes. He would beat up Manny if he still has everything in place. I'm not liking the length of Mosleys inactivity at this time in his career though. He's waiting and waiting for a fight and none are clicking into place. A bit frustrating.

Probably this will be the important fight terms:
- Fight at a catchweight of 144 lbs.
- 60/40 purse split of the $24 million pot in favor of PAC
- PAC getting $14M and Cotto getting close to $10M purse
- PAC using Cleto Reyes gloves
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Agree with Miles, the cut severly hampered Cotto yet it was his opponent looking for a cheap way out. Clottey and Marg are also very different fighters to Pac, Cotto WILL be back to seek and destroy mode against the smaller opponent.

Huge props for Pac if he takes this at 147, even at 145 if Cotto's team are quoted to be happy with it.

Pac has the speed to cause Cotto problems, and the power to keep him honest, but Im positive that if Cotto does start landing to the body that Pac is in for a real rough night.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

duran started at 118 according to boxrec :) pac on the other hand started at 106. thats a 12lb difference duran to me looks like big boned and bulkier than pac.

pac is actually fighting over his limit, its just that there are no opponents with quality for him to fight at lower weights. and the big money is on the higher weights thats why pacs team is pushing every bit just to make it a more even match.

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rubbish. I should neg rep you for posting crap.

they're not looking for an even anything, they're looking for every physical and mental advantage they can for their man at the risk of someone else.
If Roach gave a shit he'd say manny can't fight above this weight that's final. Not well I know this guy will be dead at the weight so it's ok for manny for move up and fight him but we're not going to fight anyone live.