Re: What do you think of Catch weights?
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XaduBoxer
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generalbulldog
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XaduBoxer
You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...
So what's the fuzz all about?? :confused:
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The fuzz is that an opponent is weakened. People have given Manny a lot of respect and attention for beating bigger guys like Oscar and Hatton, he can do it again or at least has a good shot of doing it again. In my opinion Manny has Superior boxing skills, hand speed, foot movement compared to Cotto, isn't that enough of an advantage? If he shows up and fights Cotto with a good game plan and great boxing skills like he did against Oscar his chances are very good against Cotto.
Manny fought Oscar at the 147 limit, why not Cotto?
Because Hoya is a 154 boxer and PAC a 135 boxer so they met in the middle of 147...
Cotto a 147 boxer and PAC a 140 boxer now so they will meet in the middle which is 143/144...
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Oh I get it now.
Pacman fans seems to think anytime a guy moves up in weight to fight for a title it has to be at a catch weight right? lol
That's not how it's done son. It's rarely done in boxing. When a guy moves up in weigth and wants to challenge another guys titles both are usually in good tip top condition to square off. That's just a pussy move popularize by Delahoya and Ray Leonard.
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It is more about money than belts these days. But I wish the fight would happen at 147 to STFU all pac-haters. I think its still winnable for Pac. Its 50/50 there imo.
Re: What do you think of Catch weights?
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It is more about money than belts these days. But I wish the fight would happen at 147 to STFU all pac-haters. I think its still winnable for Pac. Its 50/50 there imo.
I don't hate Pacquiao at all. Love watching him fight and I respect his talent. But you die hard Pac fans just can't seem to see through the bullshit. My problem with the catchweight is that somebody being weight drained is seriously hindering them in a fight. Pacquiao has shown he is strong and healthy at Welterweight. So why the catchweight? Take the risk, and he'll get more respect from the fans. If not, stay at 140 and fight Valero, and then give Marquez the 3rd fight he's owed.
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One of the main issues is that it's easier to put a few pounds on than take them off. That's why I didn't really have a problem with the JMM/PBF fight because it was one guy coming up 8lbs, the other guy coming down 4lbs, which seemed fairer. However, Pac has shown he can fight at a 147 limit, so he SHOULD fight there, it's not like he's coming up from 135, he's THE man at 140 & if that's his limit than he should stay there, not drain natural welters.
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Were talking about 3lbs of weight.
THREE FUKIN POUNDS MAN... :mad:
I mean, we didn't have to witness the likes of Chris Byrd insisting that Wlad Klitschko loose 3,4,5,10, 11lbs, a stone in weight just to make a fukin fight.
Or Evander Holyfield tellin Lewis ''You'll you'll get ya shot as soon as you shift 10lbs in weight because OMG your so much heavier than me''!!
:rolleyes:
Catch Weights are undeniably Gay.
There are enough lower-weight class-divisions to make ANY transistion (south of Light-Heavyweight) a ''fair'' one.
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Im still mad as fuk :mad:
I mean, you all insist on the idea of putting a weight class between Cruiser and Heavy as non-sense yet a fight at 143 is fine.
Fuk-Off, is it :mad:
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Lets also point out that 2 of Pacquiao's losses are attributed to difficulty making weight. Are you saying that the likes of Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat have proven their all time greatness by beating the man now considered the best fighter in the world?
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Lets also point out that 2 of Pacquiao's losses are attributed to difficulty making weight. Are you saying that the likes of Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat have proven their all time greatness by beating the man now considered the best fighter in the world?
That's what I thought sounds so strange in that Manny knows what it feels to be weight drain but wants another fighter to be weight drain for a big fight.
And his fans are using the excuse that he was weak for his 2 losses which in my opinion they have a valid reason, but if Cotto loses because he was weak at a catch weight, expect boxing fans and Cotto fans to be the same.
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Were talking about 3lbs of weight.
THREE FUKIN POUNDS MAN... :mad:
I mean, we didn't have to witness the likes of Chris Byrd insisting that Wlad Klitschko loose 3,4,5,10, 11lbs, a stone in weight just to make a fukin fight.
Or Evander Holyfield tellin Lewis ''You'll you'll get ya shot as soon as you shift 10lbs in weight because OMG your so much heavier than me''!!
:rolleyes:
Catch Weights are undeniably Gay.
There are enough lower-weight class-divisions to make ANY transistion (south of Light-Heavyweight) a ''fair'' one.
The thing is though mate, if you have no excess body fat, how can you lose even 3 pounds? Either lose Muscle tissue or dehydrate, neither of which are good. Look at Frankle Gavin, the Geezer missed the Olympics because he simply could not shed a single ounce more from his body
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BIG H
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Jimboogie
Were talking about 3lbs of weight.
THREE FUKIN POUNDS MAN... :mad:
I mean, we didn't have to witness the likes of Chris Byrd insisting that Wlad Klitschko loose 3,4,5,10, 11lbs, a stone in weight just to make a fukin fight.
Or Evander Holyfield tellin Lewis ''You'll you'll get ya shot as soon as you shift 10lbs in weight because OMG your so much heavier than me''!!
:rolleyes:
Catch Weights are undeniably Gay.
There are enough lower-weight class-divisions to make ANY transistion (south of Light-Heavyweight) a ''fair'' one.
The thing is though mate, if you have no excess body fat, how can you lose even 3 pounds? Either lose Muscle tissue or dehydrate, neither of which are good. Look at Frankle Gavin, the Geezer missed the Olympics because he simply could not shed a single ounce more from his body
H I think you missed the point there. Boogie is agreeing with you by saying Pacquiao should put on the 3lbs, not that Cotto should lose them.
Re: What do you think of Catch weights?
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BIG H
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Jimboogie
Were talking about 3lbs of weight.
THREE FUKIN POUNDS MAN... :mad:
I mean, we didn't have to witness the likes of Chris Byrd insisting that Wlad Klitschko loose 3,4,5,10, 11lbs, a stone in weight just to make a fukin fight.
Or Evander Holyfield tellin Lewis ''You'll you'll get ya shot as soon as you shift 10lbs in weight because OMG your so much heavier than me''!!
:rolleyes:
Catch Weights are undeniably Gay.
There are enough lower-weight class-divisions to make ANY transistion (south of Light-Heavyweight) a ''fair'' one.
The thing is though mate, if you have no excess body fat, how can you lose even 3 pounds? Either lose Muscle tissue or dehydrate, neither of which are good. Look at Frankle Gavin, the Geezer missed the Olympics because he simply could not shed a single ounce more from his body
Exactly you are right mate theres big difference losing body-fat. I got to about 8 percent body fat, and if i would of lost anymore weight i would of been noticably weaker.
And especially because boxers have much lower body-fat percentage than most normal people. I mean take an average guy he probably is what 15 percent bodyfat ?
So he could lose 3 pounds no problem because he's body-fat is higher, then get an athlete or in this case a boxer. Who is lets say 7 percent body-fat.
Which is a low percentage which takes extreme training, and dieting to get that low. I don't think he could really lose any weight without being weaker.
I mean just for your ab's to show some definition, you have to be 10 percent body-fat. And that isn't even that easy, so try and get even lower which alot of athlete's do. And then when you reach your limit.
Try and lose weight its not as easy as people think. Even if its just a couple of pounds.
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Oh i give up.
Im talkin about the simple task of puttin on 3 pounds.
Why the Hell would you think im talkin about cuttin weight ???
Re: What do you think of Catch weights?
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bzkfn
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BIG H
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Jimboogie
Were talking about 3lbs of weight.
THREE FUKIN POUNDS MAN... :mad:
I mean, we didn't have to witness the likes of Chris Byrd insisting that Wlad Klitschko loose 3,4,5,10, 11lbs, a stone in weight just to make a fukin fight.
Or Evander Holyfield tellin Lewis ''You'll you'll get ya shot as soon as you shift 10lbs in weight because OMG your so much heavier than me''!!
:rolleyes:
Catch Weights are undeniably Gay.
There are enough lower-weight class-divisions to make ANY transistion (south of Light-Heavyweight) a ''fair'' one.
The thing is though mate, if you have no excess body fat, how can you lose even 3 pounds? Either lose Muscle tissue or dehydrate, neither of which are good. Look at Frankle Gavin, the Geezer missed the Olympics because he simply could not shed a single ounce more from his body
H I think you missed the point there. Boogie is agreeing with you by saying Pacquiao should put on the 3lbs, not that Cotto should lose them.
Pheew!!
I think you saved me from a complete breakdown there buddy! :-\
**Edit, sorry Big H & ICB, im on one **
Re: What do you think of Catch weights?
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Jimboogie
Oh i give up.
Im talkin about the simple task of puttin on 3 pounds.
Why the Hell would you think im talkin about cuttin weight ???
I wern't really on about your comment mate, i was basically speaking to the people who think cutting weight in boxing is easy.
Re: What do you think of Catch weights?
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Jimboogie
Were talking about 3lbs of weight.
THREE FUKIN POUNDS MAN... :mad:
I mean, we didn't have to witness the likes of Chris Byrd insisting that Wlad Klitschko loose 3,4,5,10, 11lbs, a stone in weight just to make a fukin fight.
Or Evander Holyfield tellin Lewis ''You'll you'll get ya shot as soon as you shift 10lbs in weight because OMG your so much heavier than me''!!
:rolleyes:
There are enough lower-weight class-divisions to make ANY transistion (south of Light-Heavyweight) a ''fair'' one.
The heavy weight division is the only place I think they should be used, a 210 lb man fighting someone around 260 to over 300 lbs is a serious disadvantage, but anything below light heavy is only a 7 lb difference, light heavy to cruiser is 25 lbs, there may be a need for it there also but anything from light heavy and below, no need for catch weights in my opinion.
