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so in other words, your kind of people...Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
You will be more shocked if you discover that RING Mag's ranking committee is composed mostly of Pacman fans... Not your usual PAC fans but die hard PAC nuthuggers... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
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I'm a fan of Donaire partly because he comes to the ring with a live philipino hip hop group, but he is a little too high on the list. His record and accomplishments merit a spot in the top fifteen. Vic should be above Donaire right now and he should remain above Donaire if he beats Agbeko. His string of victories - Arce, Mijares, and Agbeko (if) - is impressive even with the alleged "positive discrimination" toward smaller men.
I hate to say this but it seems this kind of people are all over the boxing world... It maybe because PAC is the man in boxing right now... The greatest active boxer at the moment... We can do nothing at all about that... Their number seems increasing exponentially everyday...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesso in other words, your kind of people...Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerYou will be more shocked if you discover that RING Mag's ranking committee is composed mostly of Pacman fans... Not your usual PAC fans but die hard PAC nuthuggers... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
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That's my personal opinion only and you can take it as a joke...;)
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No way Vic to be ahead of Donaire. Donaire dominated & KO Vic. The reason Arce & Mijares fought Dachinyan is because Donaire shows how to beat Darchinyan. Unfortunately for them... They got Koed by Vic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
And the reason why Dachinyan keep moving up is to get away from Donaire.
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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2No way Vic to be ahead of Donaire. Donaire dominated & KO Vic. The reason Arce & Mijares fought Dachinyan is because Donaire shows how to beat Darchinyan. Unfortunately for them... They got Koed by Vic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
And the reason why Dachinyan keep moving up is to get away from Donaire.
Very TRUE... Darchi can't be ahead of Donaire if Donaire keeps winning impressively or until Darchi avenging his KO loss to Donaire...
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bzkfn, your opinion on this is quite puzzling. why would you compare medgeon-pac to a donaire darch scenario, when darch is waaaay ahead of medgeon in terms of greatness?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnWhy? Vic has gone on to achieve more. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Donaire fan, but I don't think his achievements since his win over Vic warrant a higher place in the P4P, when Vic moved up in weight and unified the belts with impressive victories. Your logic, once again, suggests that we should discount Pacquiao's achievements since his losses, and that Medgoen Singsurat should be ranked above him until Pac avenges the loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
quite frankly, darch avoided nonito. the fact that he avoided him proves nonito is the real deal, and everyone on the ring mag acknowledges this. how a fighter is avoided by the elite should be one of the criterias on how a selection is made for inclusion to the list. i guess that's one of their criterias, really. darch could really have achieved more imo,if he accepted an immediate rematch from nonito. wanna know when that challenge happened for the first time? after darch fully recovered being wasted on their fight, getting up from his corner, while the media have to force vic for an interview right there and then inside the mat, which vic was reluctant to because of the shock and shame he obsorbed (with the thrash talk and cockiness during and before the fight). did he really achieved more? he run from his greatest fear. you can make an argument that nonito could have achieved more only if arce, hussein, mijares and montiel accepted his offer for a fight, which they did'nt. and that's a fact.
my question for you bzkfn,in terms of courage who do you rate more? nonito or vic?
and yep btw, vic said "no" right there and then in front of the cameras. achieving more is'nt really reflected by how good the quality of opposition you defeated on your career, but facing your thoughest opponents instanly upon their challenge. bravery is noted while cowardice is abhorred isn't it? ring mag have seen it, i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamurabzkfn, your opinion on this is quite puzzling. why would you compare medgeon-pac to a donaire darch scenario, when darch is waaaay ahead of medgeon in terms of greatness?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnWhy? Vic has gone on to achieve more. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Donaire fan, but I don't think his achievements since his win over Vic warrant a higher place in the P4P, when Vic moved up in weight and unified the belts with impressive victories. Your logic, once again, suggests that we should discount Pacquiao's achievements since his losses, and that Medgoen Singsurat should be ranked above him until Pac avenges the loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
quite frankly, darch avoided nonito. the fact that he avoided him proves nonito is the real deal, and everyone on the ring mag acknowledges this. how a fighter is avoided by the elite should be one of the criterias on how a selection is made for inclusion to the list. i guess that's one of their criterias, really. darch could really have achieved more imo,if he accepted an immediate rematch from nonito. wanna know when that challenge happened for the first time? after darch fully recovered being wasted on their fight, getting up from his corner, while the media have to force vic for an interview right there and then inside the mat, which vic was reluctant to because of the shock and shame he obsorbed (with the thrash talk and cockiness during and before the fight). did he really achieved more? he run from his greatest fear. you can make an argument that nonito could have achieved more only if arce, hussein, mijares and montiel accepted his offer for a fight, which they did'nt. that's a fact.
my question or you bzkfn,in terms of courage who do you rate more? nonito or vic?
p4p is subjective. Some people measures it by accomplishments, some measures it by who's the really the better man if they face inside the ring. And I think the majority would favor Donaire to beat Darchinyan.. in any weight class Darchinyan want.
It's just sweet science folks. Darchinyan's style is bad for Donaire. Vic is tailor made for him. Gary Shaw knows that. That's why he's protecting his little cash cow from Nonito. Darchinyan may have better resume, but Donaire is really the man to beat.
and vic knows that that's why him and shaw is staying away from nonito..Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito