How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

Master Bilbo has a very valid question here for some (like Dawson, Williams) but not all of the boxers he cited that "should" be above Donaire...

I think Donaire deserves his #7 spot... The thing is, we only have 10 slots available for the Top Ten P4P List (why there's no tie to accomodate more boxers ;) )... These boxers in the top 5 to 15 do have very close accomplishments and resume and ranking them does take very tedious process... Then you can add up subjectivity and you get a total headache...

Off-topic: Is there anyone here questioning why Israel Vazquez still having his #5 P4P slot even with more than 1 year of inactivity?? :confused:
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I think we just ran off some lurker/potential new member types.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

Master Bilbo has a very valid question here for some (like Dawson, Williams) but not all of the boxers he cited that "should" be above Donaire...

I think Donaire deserves his #7 spot... The thing is, we only have 10 slots available for the Top Ten P4P List (why there's no tie to accomodate more boxers ;) )... These boxers in the top 5 to 15 do have very close accomplishments and resume and ranking them does take very tedious process... Then you can add up subjectivity and you get a total headache...

Off-topic: Is there anyone here questioning why Israel Vazquez still having his #5 P4P slot even with more than 1 year of inactivity?? :confused:
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I think we just ran off some lurker/potential new member types.

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Ha ha ;D That's how I addressed my friend Mr. Bilbo, I mean Master Bilbo ever since... He doesn't comment about it tho... He likes it very much I guess... My Master, My Lord... ;D great sounding...
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Originally Posted by OumaFan

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

Master Bilbo has a very valid question here for some (like Dawson, Williams) but not all of the boxers he cited that "should" be above Donaire...

I think Donaire deserves his #7 spot... The thing is, we only have 10 slots available for the Top Ten P4P List (why there's no tie to accomodate more boxers ;) )... These boxers in the top 5 to 15 do have very close accomplishments and resume and ranking them does take very tedious process... Then you can add up subjectivity and you get a total headache...

Off-topic: Is there anyone here questioning why Israel Vazquez still having his #5 P4P slot even with more than 1 year of inactivity?? :confused:
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I think we just ran off some lurker/potential new member types.

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haha I pissed myself when I read that :D

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

Master Bilbo has a very valid question here for some (like Dawson, Williams) but not all of the boxers he cited that "should" be above Donaire...

I think Donaire deserves his #7 spot... The thing is, we only have 10 slots available for the Top Ten P4P List (why there's no tie to accomodate more boxers ;) )... These boxers in the top 5 to 15 do have very close accomplishments and resume and ranking them does take very tedious process... Then you can add up subjectivity and you get a total headache...

Off-topic: Is there anyone here questioning why Israel Vazquez still having his #5 P4P slot even with more than 1 year of inactivity?? :confused:
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I think we just ran off some lurker/potential new member types.

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Ha ha ;D That's how I addressed my friend Mr. Bilbo, I mean Master Bilbo ever since... He doesn't comment about it tho... He likes it very much I guess... My Master, My Lord... ;D great sounding...
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oh, ok, that explains it.

I'm sure Bilbo does like it very much.

im one of the only guys on saddos that is naive enough to believe those below 5`5 are better fighters just because they can throw more punches and produce the better fights.

Vitali Klitschko shits all over the likes of calderon, vasquez, donaire yet you never see him in the rankings because they are complete byest for the littler guys and have been for the last 10 years now.

Donaire is 5'6". Some believe he's actually 5'8". Lol! He's opponents looks like dwarf everytime he's fighting.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

im one of the only guys on saddos that is naive enough to believe those below 5`5 are better fighters just because they can throw more punches and produce the better fights.

Vitali Klitschko shits all over the likes of calderon, vasquez, donaire yet you never see him in the rankings because they are complete byest for the littler guys and have been for the last 10 years now.

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I don't mean to argue semantics but that might make them more exciting fighters, not better ones. Excitement should play no role in selecting a P4P list in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Quinito

Donaire is 5'6". Some believe he's actually 5'8". Lol! He's opponents looks like dwarf everytime he's fighting.

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How is that relevant to this discussion?

Even though he lost Id rate Vic higher just as Id rate Mosley over Cotto even though Cotto beat him. Its about recent form. If not Torrencampo would still be above Pac

CHF. I was just replying on a portion of hattonhammer's post. My blackberry wont make 'qoute and reply'.

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Originally Posted by Quinito

CHF. I was just replying on a portion of hattonhammer's post. My blackberry wont make 'qoute and reply'.

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Fair enough. It just didn't make much sense as it was and I was curious why you posted it.

Going to get off topic so please excuse me for a sec while i post. The heavyweights when it comes to pound for pound get fucked. The only heavy that gets credit is Ali and that is it people give Lopez all this credit but tell you truth i would rate Holyfeild, Lennox and Holmes above him. I mean Lopez record is about the same as Rocky's so undefeated ok.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Going to get off topic so please excuse me for a sec while i post. The heavyweights when it comes to pound for pound get fucked. The only heavy that gets credit is Ali and that is it people give Lopez all this credit but tell you truth i would rate Holyfeild, Lennox and Holmes above him. I mean Lopez record is about the same as Rocky's so undefeated ok.

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How can Heavyweight's be P4P ?

I don't see a problem with having a heavyweight P4P, its just who you think would be the best fighters if they were all equal size and if there's a guy that good he should be in. We just don't have anybody that good these days.

Well what i am saying is that alot of the lower weights stay around the same weight dont move to many divsion like Lopez did in his career. Now i am not a expert on the man i seen few fights he was a good boxer. Also he was undefeated and held titles and fly and super fly iam guessing. If i am wrong on the weight classes my bad not looking it up right now. But from the list of names seen him beat his resume is on par with Rocky. Hence when people rate him above say Holyfeild, Lennox and Holmes i really dont think based on his comp that he should be ahead of them. Also to me it seems if your a heavyweight and not Ali you get no respect in pound for pound. I mean like i said before you got Foreman, Fraizer, Holyfeild, Lennox and Holmes none of which get tha much mention in the pound for pound picture. All i am saying i thik no matter what size they were great fighters. the heavyweights for some reason dont seem to be include in it and i think it is unfair that is all considering how many great champs have come for the divsion.