Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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THE THIRD MAN
Watching Lennox Lewis was like watching concrete set! Slow and lumbering, Holmes and Ali would have boxed his ears off, Foreman would have flattened him and a prime Tyson would have destroyed him, i can't see him avoiding Smokin Joe's left hook either.
Lennox had a superb jab...Not quite the quality of Holmes but would give Larry a run for his money...He was stronger and he was a better finisher...
Frazier would have ended up the same way as he did in the Foreman fight...Lennox was fond of the uppercut perfect for the crossarm defense to sneak through.......
He would have given Ali a run for his money and Prime for Prime he was a better boxer then Tyson and a harder one punch KO finisher.....Lewis ate the Right hands of Mercer and Tua who were harder punchers then Tyson who was a quanity volume combination KO finisher not a one shot knockout artist
He was a better boxer then Foreman but of course the power did not compare (In his prime no one compared to Foreman)....
How can you believe all these men would have flattened and outboxed Lennox so easily?
Two names McCall and Rahman, both were not in the same class as the others mentioned. Lewis just appeared lazy to me, Frazier would have got in underneath him and let that left hook go, if he could flatten Ali with it then Lewis would be no problem. Tyson in 1986-88 would destroy him, Holmes and Ali would win easy UD decisions (Holyfield made Lewis look slow and lumbering in fight number 2)and Big George might not think he could have beaten Lewis but he would have landed something big and Lewis would be counting light globes! I'm talking about the George of 1973!
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Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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THE THIRD MAN
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DaxxKahn
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THE THIRD MAN
Watching Lennox Lewis was like watching concrete set! Slow and lumbering, Holmes and Ali would have boxed his ears off, Foreman would have flattened him and a prime Tyson would have destroyed him, i can't see him avoiding Smokin Joe's left hook either.
Lennox had a superb jab...Not quite the quality of Holmes but would give Larry a run for his money...He was stronger and he was a better finisher...
Frazier would have ended up the same way as he did in the Foreman fight...Lennox was fond of the uppercut perfect for the crossarm defense to sneak through.......
He would have given Ali a run for his money and Prime for Prime he was a better boxer then Tyson and a harder one punch KO finisher.....Lewis ate the Right hands of Mercer and Tua who were harder punchers then Tyson who was a quanity volume combination KO finisher not a one shot knockout artist
He was a better boxer then Foreman but of course the power did not compare (In his prime no one compared to Foreman)....
How can you believe all these men would have flattened and outboxed Lennox so easily?
Two names McCall and Rahman, both were not in the same class as the others mentioned. Lewis just appeared lazy to me, Frazier would have got in underneath him and let that left hook go, if he could flatten Ali with it then Lewis would be no problem. Tyson in 1986-88 would destroy him, Holmes and Ali would win easy UD decisions (Holyfield made Lewis look slow and lumbering in fight number 2)and Big George might not think he could have beaten Lewis but he would have landed something big and Lewis would be counting light globes! I'm talking about the George of 1973!
Your basing this on 2 losses by an undertrained fighter?...Whats next Henry Cooper could have dropped Lewis because he dropped Ali?.....You are comparing the competition of Tyson in 86-88 to the skillset of Lennox Lewis?.....
These are not valid reasons for what you stated.....You are discounting a career of huge wins over high caliber fighters (at the time) against 2 short comings.....
Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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DaxxKahn
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THE THIRD MAN
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DaxxKahn
Lennox had a superb jab...Not quite the quality of Holmes but would give Larry a run for his money...He was stronger and he was a better finisher...
Frazier would have ended up the same way as he did in the Foreman fight...Lennox was fond of the uppercut perfect for the crossarm defense to sneak through.......
He would have given Ali a run for his money and Prime for Prime he was a better boxer then Tyson and a harder one punch KO finisher.....Lewis ate the Right hands of Mercer and Tua who were harder punchers then Tyson who was a quanity volume combination KO finisher not a one shot knockout artist
He was a better boxer then Foreman but of course the power did not compare (In his prime no one compared to Foreman)....
How can you believe all these men would have flattened and outboxed Lennox so easily?
Two names McCall and Rahman, both were not in the same class as the others mentioned. Lewis just appeared lazy to me, Frazier would have got in underneath him and let that left hook go, if he could flatten Ali with it then Lewis would be no problem. Tyson in 1986-88 would destroy him, Holmes and Ali would win easy UD decisions (Holyfield made Lewis look slow and lumbering in fight number 2)and Big George might not think he could have beaten Lewis but he would have landed something big and Lewis would be counting light globes! I'm talking about the George of 1973!
Your basing this on 2 losses by an undertrained fighter?...Whats next Henry Cooper could have dropped Lewis because he dropped Ali?.....You are comparing the competition of Tyson in 86-88 to the skillset of Lennox Lewis?.....
These are not valid reasons for what you stated.....You are discounting a career of huge wins over high caliber fighters (at the time) against 2 short comings.....
well said, the brutal revenge he took on both these men ADDS to his legacy. Lennox has better names on his record than any other heavy of the last 30 years (it seems weird that 1980 was almost 30 years ago!)
Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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ryanman89
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DaxxKahn
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THE THIRD MAN
Two names McCall and Rahman, both were not in the same class as the others mentioned. Lewis just appeared lazy to me, Frazier would have got in underneath him and let that left hook go, if he could flatten Ali with it then Lewis would be no problem. Tyson in 1986-88 would destroy him, Holmes and Ali would win easy UD decisions (Holyfield made Lewis look slow and lumbering in fight number 2)and Big George might not think he could have beaten Lewis but he would have landed something big and Lewis would be counting light globes! I'm talking about the George of 1973!
Your basing this on 2 losses by an undertrained fighter?...Whats next Henry Cooper could have dropped Lewis because he dropped Ali?.....You are comparing the competition of Tyson in 86-88 to the skillset of Lennox Lewis?.....
These are not valid reasons for what you stated.....You are discounting a career of huge wins over high caliber fighters (at the time) against 2 short comings.....
well said, the brutal revenge he took on both these men ADDS to his legacy. Lennox has better names on his record than any other heavy of the last 30 years (it seems weird that 1980 was almost 30 years ago!)
Yes it does and Yes he did
Now that you mention it it doesnt seem like 1980 was that long ago:-\.....
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Well at first I always thought Lennox was very boring compared to Holyfield and Tyson. You look at Lennox he was a very safe fighter. Until you would think he would be in a good fight he would just end it. Razor Ruddock I remember being a youngster saying "damn Holyfield had trouble with Dokes and Ruddock destroyed Dokes. Lennox is going to be in a tough fight". Then boom Lennox disposed of Ruddock. Again it happened Holyfield fought Bowe in 3 amazing fight's then Golota mops the floor with Bowe but because of stupidity ( sorry no way else to explain it ) he fouls himself out of a rather easy fight with Bowe. So now I am thinking once again Lennox will be in a tough fight and then how long did it take for Lennox to take Golota out? Point being it seems when Lennox would be in a safety first fight he rose above and dominated,when he was supposed to win he would draw the fight's out in a long boring jab contest and fight safety first. So all and all IMO he was dull but at the wrong times.
Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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DaxxKahn
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THE THIRD MAN
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DaxxKahn
Lennox had a superb jab...Not quite the quality of Holmes but would give Larry a run for his money...He was stronger and he was a better finisher...
Frazier would have ended up the same way as he did in the Foreman fight...Lennox was fond of the uppercut perfect for the crossarm defense to sneak through.......
He would have given Ali a run for his money and Prime for Prime he was a better boxer then Tyson and a harder one punch KO finisher.....Lewis ate the Right hands of Mercer and Tua who were harder punchers then Tyson who was a quanity volume combination KO finisher not a one shot knockout artist
He was a better boxer then Foreman but of course the power did not compare (In his prime no one compared to Foreman)....
How can you believe all these men would have flattened and outboxed Lennox so easily?
Two names McCall and Rahman, both were not in the same class as the others mentioned. Lewis just appeared lazy to me, Frazier would have got in underneath him and let that left hook go, if he could flatten Ali with it then Lewis would be no problem. Tyson in 1986-88 would destroy him, Holmes and Ali would win easy UD decisions (Holyfield made Lewis look slow and lumbering in fight number 2)and Big George might not think he could have beaten Lewis but he would have landed something big and Lewis would be counting light globes! I'm talking about the George of 1973!
Your basing this on 2 losses by an undertrained fighter?...Whats next Henry Cooper could have dropped Lewis because he dropped Ali?.....You are comparing the competition of Tyson in 86-88 to the skillset of Lennox Lewis?.....
These are not valid reasons for what you stated.....You are discounting a career of huge wins over high caliber fighters (at the time) against 2 short comings.....
Well, now that you mention it Cooper would be most capable of landing one on 'slow coach'!
Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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ryanman89
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DaxxKahn
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THE THIRD MAN
Two names McCall and Rahman, both were not in the same class as the others mentioned. Lewis just appeared lazy to me, Frazier would have got in underneath him and let that left hook go, if he could flatten Ali with it then Lewis would be no problem. Tyson in 1986-88 would destroy him, Holmes and Ali would win easy UD decisions (Holyfield made Lewis look slow and lumbering in fight number 2)and Big George might not think he could have beaten Lewis but he would have landed something big and Lewis would be counting light globes! I'm talking about the George of 1973!
Your basing this on 2 losses by an undertrained fighter?...Whats next Henry Cooper could have dropped Lewis because he dropped Ali?.....You are comparing the competition of Tyson in 86-88 to the skillset of Lennox Lewis?.....
These are not valid reasons for what you stated.....You are discounting a career of huge wins over high caliber fighters (at the time) against 2 short comings.....
well said, the brutal revenge he took on both these men ADDS to his legacy. Lennox has better names on his record than any other heavy of the last 30 years (it seems weird that 1980 was almost 30 years ago!)
Ali and Holmes were still fighting 30 years ago. Are you saying Lennox Lewis has a better resume than those 2? Like I say, Brits tend to overrate their fighters into something which they are not, we all saw this with Ricky Hatton, but at least Hatton fought 2 great fighters in their prime while Lewis beat the 2 biggest names in the HW ranks when they were shot and/or old.
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Well Third with your logic because Tyson was outboxed by Douglas i am sure Lennox could as well i mean bringing up all the bad about Lennox. I mean i think your hate for the dude kinda clouds the judgement abit. Ali had a hell of time with lesser fighters then Lennox so did Holmes. Bring up Foreman when he was young mean the same man out boxed by young. And as far as Tyson never really beat anybody worth a shit in his prime. And Holyfeild as much as i am a fan would of had troubles with Lewis anytime.
Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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Well Third with your logic because Tyson was outboxed by Douglas i am sure Lennox could as well i mean bringing up all the bad about Lennox. I mean i think your hate for the dude kinda clouds the judgement abit. Ali had a hell of time with lesser fighters then Lennox so did Holmes. Bring up Foreman when he was young mean the same man out boxed by young. And as far as Tyson never really beat anybody worth a shit in his prime. And Holyfeild as much as i am a fan would of had troubles with Lewis anytime.
We all know if Lennox came out after the '84 Olympics, you know who would be waiting for him? A prime Holyfield that was dominating the cruiserweight division and coming into the HW ranks. A Tyson that still had the Catskill gang and was dominating the HW division.
Lewis caught them at the right time, as in Holyfield was 37 and declining and Tyson was shot.
And it's kind of funny that someone here said that Lewis had a better record than any hw in the last 30 years, because 30 years ago Ali and Holmes was still fighting. And any boxing fan wouldn't say Lewis had a better record/resume than Holmes and especially ALi.
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generalbulldog
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ryanman89
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DaxxKahn
Your basing this on 2 losses by an undertrained fighter?...Whats next Henry Cooper could have dropped Lewis because he dropped Ali?.....You are comparing the competition of Tyson in 86-88 to the skillset of Lennox Lewis?.....
These are not valid reasons for what you stated.....You are discounting a career of huge wins over high caliber fighters (at the time) against 2 short comings.....
well said, the brutal revenge he took on both these men ADDS to his legacy. Lennox has better names on his record than any other heavy of the last 30 years (it seems weird that 1980 was almost 30 years ago!)
Ali and Holmes were still fighting 30 years ago. Are you saying Lennox Lewis has a better resume than those 2? Like I say, Brits tend to overrate their fighters into something which they are not, we all saw this with Ricky Hatton, but at least Hatton fought 2 great fighters in their prime while Lewis beat the 2 biggest names in the HW ranks when they were shot and/or old.
What I am saying is your the biggest idiot of a poster here since Zelenoff....
Read the freaking thread and post between me and Third then comeback with something worth while and don't try to put words on peoples mouths
As for Brits over rating fighters how many times are you going to repeat yourself? Think you posted the same thing already....Don't be an attention pheen hoping for someone to jump on your bandwagon...If you don't get enpough attention at home get a dog dont keep repeating yourself until someonbe acknowledges it.........
Pretty sure everyone over rates their fighters.....Brits just happen to love their fighters win or lose.....
I am sorry did Hatton Shag your girlfriend or something on a drunken binge in Vegas? You seem to spend a lot of time using his name as an example....
The 90's were HW Boxings second best era.....So Lennox beat more then 2 shot fighters......
Truth is since you have been here you have shown you know zero on this sport on anything before Hatton beat Tszyu....
Has Mom and Dad even given you permission to go on the internet?
Maybe Saddo needs to suspend your account until you bring a note with their Permission.....
and to answer your life long question...
NO Batman can not beat Superman in a street fight using only hands
Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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DaxxKahn
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generalbulldog
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ryanman89
well said, the brutal revenge he took on both these men ADDS to his legacy. Lennox has better names on his record than any other heavy of the last 30 years (it seems weird that 1980 was almost 30 years ago!)
Ali and Holmes were still fighting 30 years ago. Are you saying Lennox Lewis has a better resume than those 2? Like I say, Brits tend to overrate their fighters into something which they are not, we all saw this with Ricky Hatton, but at least Hatton fought 2 great fighters in their prime while Lewis beat the 2 biggest names in the HW ranks when they were shot and/or old.
What I am saying is your the biggest idiot of a poster here since Zelenoff....
Read the freaking thread and post between me and Third then comeback with something worth while and don't try to put words on peoples mouths
As for Brits over rating fighters how many times are you going to repeat yourself? Think you posted the same thing already....Don't be an attention pheen hoping for someone to jump on your bandwagon...If you don't get enpough attention at home get a dog dont keep repeating yourself until someonbe acknowledges it.........
Pretty sure everyone over rates their fighters.....Brits just happen to love their fighters win or lose.....
I am sorry did Hatton Shag your girlfriend or something on a drunken binge in Vegas? You seem to spend a lot of time using his name as an example....
The 90's were HW Boxings second best era.....So Lennox beat more then 2 shot fighters......
Truth is since you have been here you have shown you know zero on this sport on anything before Hatton beat Tszyu....
Has Mom and Dad even given you permission to go on the internet?
Maybe Saddo needs to suspend your account until you bring a note with their Permission.....
and to answer your life long question...
NO Batman can not beat Superman in a street fight using only hands
Hey I call it the way I see it. One of your fellow countrymen said that Lewis has the best record of any HW in the last 30 years. That shit wasn't directed at you, but hey if someone makes comments like that, they're going to get called out for it. Holmes and Ali was still fighting 30 years ago. Lewis better record than them, that's laughable.
As for Ricky Hatton, everyday there is a thread about "If Ricky Hatton was in his prime" blah blah blah. Face it everyone outside of the UK thought the guy was overrated. What's funny is that you guys think that if Hatton was in his prime or whatever it is he could beat Floyd, Pacman, Shane Mosely, Cotto, Williams, etc. The only good name on his record was a 36 year old KT and a shot Phillips.
No need to be an internet thug. Only pussies threaten someone over the internet.
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Stop generalising, generalbulldog.
What Brits on here rate Hatton that high? Name them?
The Ring magazine and the boxing writers association of America didn't think Hatton was overrated when awarding him titles. So persons outside of the UK clearly rated him.
And Daxx is from the USA not the UK. ;)
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generalbulldog
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DaxxKahn
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generalbulldog
Ali and Holmes were still fighting 30 years ago. Are you saying Lennox Lewis has a better resume than those 2? Like I say, Brits tend to overrate their fighters into something which they are not, we all saw this with Ricky Hatton, but at least Hatton fought 2 great fighters in their prime while Lewis beat the 2 biggest names in the HW ranks when they were shot and/or old.
What I am saying is your the biggest idiot of a poster here since Zelenoff....
Read the freaking thread and post between me and Third then comeback with something worth while and don't try to put words on peoples mouths
As for Brits over rating fighters how many times are you going to repeat yourself? Think you posted the same thing already....Don't be an attention pheen hoping for someone to jump on your bandwagon...If you don't get enpough attention at home get a dog dont keep repeating yourself until someonbe acknowledges it.........
Pretty sure everyone over rates their fighters.....Brits just happen to love their fighters win or lose.....
I am sorry did Hatton Shag your girlfriend or something on a drunken binge in Vegas? You seem to spend a lot of time using his name as an example....
The 90's were HW Boxings second best era.....So Lennox beat more then 2 shot fighters......
Truth is since you have been here you have shown you know zero on this sport on anything before Hatton beat Tszyu....
Has Mom and Dad even given you permission to go on the internet?
Maybe Saddo needs to suspend your account until you bring a note with their Permission.....
and to answer your life long question...
NO Batman can not beat Superman in a street fight using only hands
Hey I call it the way I see it. One of your fellow countrymen said that Lewis has the best record of any HW in the last 30 years. That shit wasn't directed at you, but hey if someone makes comments like that, they're going to get called out for it. Holmes and Ali was still fighting 30 years ago. Lewis better record than them, that's laughable.
As for Ricky Hatton, everyday there is a thread about "If Ricky Hatton was in his prime" blah blah blah. Face it everyone outside of the UK thought the guy was overrated. What's funny is that you guys think that if Hatton was in his prime or whatever it is he could beat Floyd, Pacman, Shane Mosely, Cotto, Williams, etc. The only good name on his record was a 36 year old KT and a shot Phillips.
No need to be an internet thug. Only pussies threaten someone over the internet.
Yep i said Lennox had a better record than any heavy in the last 30 years. You point out Ali and Holmes were still fighting in 1980, But Ali had a great record in the 80s didn't he? And i don't think its laughable to say that Lewis has a better record than Holmes, arguable yea, but not laughable. If you look at fights and results in the heavyweight division since 1980 I think Lewis would come out top in a subjective judgement. Your point about Ali still fighting in 1980 is about as relevent to my point as saying that Klitscho hasn't had the best record in the division in the last 5 years because Holyfield has still been fighting in that time. Or that Trinidad isn't the dominant welterweight of the last 12 years because Roberto Duran has fought in that time (Although its fair to argue against that for other reasons).
Re: Was Lennox truly dull?
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i don't see any heavy beating Lewis, not saying he is the best ever but i just don't think physically the heavys of the past could have coped. Factoring in natural progress through the eras i would still put lennox top 5.
Larry Holmes would have beaten Lennox Lewis.
