Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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Whats wrong with what VD said?
His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.
Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.
Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.
And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?
Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?
Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.
I might get some predictions wrong. You know why? Cuz unlike you i actually watch other fights. If Pac ain't involved you ain't watching. Your obsessed with him. It's the reason your stupid enough to say Pacquiao should get 50%. It's obvious by his last fight, Mayweather is clearly the superior fighter. But your a groupie. So you can't see that
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I used to give Pacquiao all the credit in the world for what he did to OScar, but after seeing MAyweather-Marquez the truth is pretty clear... Oscar wasn't Oscar. He came in a pound lighter than Pacquiao which adding on his height and the fact he weight drained, means that Manny beat an older, slower, weaker man than himself. Mayweather fought Oscar at his best weight at the time, and Oscar looked way faster against Floyd, way more hungry against Floyd, and had way better durability when he faced Floyd. That being said I take nothing away from what Pacquiao did against Hatton, that was incredible. I don't think it was a style mishap on Hatton's part, but the fact that Manny was way too good for him, and looked a lot better than FLoyd did against RIcky. I think Manny extra power really allows him to emphasize the difference in skill levels a lot more than Floyd, even if Floyd is better than him. Roy Jones Jr got away with so much not only because he was inhumanly fast, but also because he had the power to make opponents respect him. Floyd has respectable power and incredible speed, but not the kind of power that hurts bigger men.
Either way Mayweather agreed to 30-70 split with Oscar because he was the bigger draw. Even if Pacquiao-Cotto makes more money than Mayweather-Marquez its largely because Cotto is a way more marketable fighter than Marquez. If it doesn't make more than Mayweather-Marquez then there is no way in hell that PAcquiao or Cotto deserves 50% of the money against Floyd.
Well said on the Oscar part. I think many people have highly over praised Pac for his wins against Hatton and Delahoya. Don't get me wrong...regardless of how weight drained (Oscar) or washed up (Hatton) those fighters where...i can still credit the smaller man for winning. But for people to suddenly think Pac is a legitimate welter weight threat or he can beat Floyd...is extremely premature. I by no means mean to bash on Pac either. I think he has as good a resume as any active fighter and a better resume than Floyd. Having said all of that...there is no reason it shouldn't be a 50/50 split purse. Pac is extremely popular. I don't think it is far fetched to say he has become the most popular and exciting fighter in the sport (especially since Oscar has retired). Sure, Floyd generates revenue...but it's more because of his pre-fight hype building than his actual fighting style. Pac fills the seats because people love how he fights...he is an all action fighter. Do i think Pac can beat Floyd...no. Do i think Pac should get more of the purse than Floyd no...no. But he deserves at least half.
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how can you say hatton was washed up prior to fighting pac? he was ruffing up pac there was no sign of him being washed up. he let his guard down thats why he got ko'd not cause he was past it.
other than that i agree with what zhubin said, pbf though does not posses the killer instinct will be a pain for pac. he has the same speed as pac and has a wicked defence. pacs barrage of punches might just deflect on pbfs guard.
but since pbf does not go for the quick finish pac has a chance to win.
pac nuthuggers=stupid
pac haters=even more stupid
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Whats wrong with what VD said?
Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.
In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.
VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.
SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X
Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)
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Whats wrong with what VD said?
Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.
In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.
VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.
SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X
Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)
Comparing Pac vs. Marquez and Floyd vs. Marquez is irrelevant. Two completely different weight classes. The Floyd vs. Marquez match up was a complete mismatch from the day the fight was signed. And while the PPV sales might have been high...the actual fight was a snoozefest. Pac generates excitement in the ring. Floyd, for all of his technical brilliance, generates more excitement on the pre-fight hype than in the actual ring. You don't have to be a Pac fan to realize that he is the most exciting and probably most popular fighter in the sport. So in the end...it doesn't really matter about previous fights...what matters is the ability for the fighters to generate $$$$...and Pac can do that as well if not better than Floyd at this point. So having said that...Pac deserves at least half of the purse. Floyd will not be fighting an up and comer, he will not be fighting a stiff...he will be fighting (whether you agree with it or not) the current pound for pound fighter in the sport (we shall see what happens with the Cotto fight). Personally, I wish both Pac and Floyd fought guys in their "natural" weight classes. But again...boxing is as much a business as a sport. And while in the ring these two fighters might not be equals (i see Floyd winning with relative ease at welterweight)...from a business standpoint, they certainly are equals.
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.
In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.
VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.
SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X
Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)
Comparing Pac vs. Marquez and Floyd vs. Marquez is irrelevant. Two completely different weight classes. The Floyd vs. Marquez match up was a complete mismatch from the day the fight was signed. And while the PPV sales might have been high...the actual fight was a snoozefest. Pac generates excitement in the ring. Floyd, for all of his technical brilliance, generates more excitement on the pre-fight hype than in the actual ring. You don't have to be a Pac fan to realize that he is the most exciting and probably most popular fighter in the sport. So in the end...it doesn't really matter about previous fights...what matters is the ability for the fighters to generate $$$$...and Pac can do that as well if not better than Floyd at this point. So having said that...Pac deserves at least half of the purse. Floyd will not be fighting an up and comer, he will not be fighting a stiff...he will be fighting (whether you agree with it or not) the current pound for pound fighter in the sport (we shall see what happens with the Cotto fight). Personally, I wish both Pac and Floyd fought guys in their "natural" weight classes. But again...boxing is as much a business as a sport. And while in the ring these two fighters might not be equals (i see Floyd winning with relative ease at welterweight)...from a business standpoint, they certainly are equals.
Actually, no. From a business standpoint Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. In terms of popularity in the US Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. I will agree that Pacquiao is more entertaining to most/me (but this is all opinion as some appreciate the science more).
Unless Pacquiao does huge numbers in his fight with Cotto (sans Cotto's share of viewership), I can't see how Arum can even think about 50%.
In business, the topic i'm discussing, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Who puts on the best show is irrelevant because that doesn't always equal viewership. I love Michael Katsidis's style, but there's a reason he was on the undercard of the Mayweather fight.
Simply put, Mayweather's numbers are, at this point, better than Pacquiao's numbers and unless Pacquiao (along with Cotto) does something to reverse that, 50% is simply foolish.
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
Too much,too soon thread.
A lot of developments will still happen
Why not wait for the result of the November 14,fight?
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
If given any choice, Pacquaio will NEVER duck Mayweather. If the case would happen, it will be Mayweather who will duck. But the money issue will be smoothed the fight will pushed through, and it will one of the greatest fight in the history of boxing.
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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I think the names are the wrong way round in the thread title ;)
Since when has Pac ducked anybody?
he took the fight with hatton because he saw flaws in ricky that werent there a few years back. The exact same thing has now happened with cotto
pac doesnt duck a challenge and never has. But his opponents are extremely well picked by arum
Had floyd of looked the slightest bit jagged towards the end of the marquez fight arum would already be making the calls right now preying pac gets through cotto so he can take out floyd
In light of floyds brilliance its just gonna be interesting if pac can find a way past cotto whether arum and roach will really put their money where their mouth is and stick pacquiao in with mayweather!!
If arum really cherry picked foes for pac, then why did they agreed for a rematch with jmm? why did they allowed pac to fight hoya too?
and even when roach said hoya can't pull the trigger anymore before, then why was there still a huge consensus of fans making hoya a heavy favorite before the fight was even signed?
everyone was laughing thinking it was a huge mismatch, boxing analysts or casual fans alike. do you think arum did mind that? i bet some of you, if not most of you, thought arum was crazy for pitting pac against hoya before. i mean not even a half of us saw that coming, pac winning even a miraculous split decision against hoya before the fight was signed and came in to realization.
show me a poll before the hoya-pac fight in any boxing website (except pacland, it's pretty obvious) that has pac winning against hoya on people's collective opinion. i bet there's none.yet even with that fuss buzzing around, did arum mind that? it's about the money weather his cash cow losses especially against the heavier boxers (like hatton, hoya,cotto, future shane or pbf.). the reason for that is the "prepared alibi" that even if pac losses to them they're heavier fighters,(which is true, pac is really a natural superfeatherweight for his size.) which doe'snt stain pac's reputation that much, allowing him to continue on being a cash cow fighting other popular names in a more "comfortable division" instead, if ever he losses. there's also other reasons;
1.) it's because of his style which makes pac likeable that can still rejuvenate his career if ever he loses to these bigger guys
2.) his almost cleancut superiority in the comfortable divisions (imo 135-140. who can you match pac with? bradley? juan diaz? holt? khan?pac can rip them apart and finish them off with a ko unless they're a superior technician in the league of jmm or pbf!)
3.) arum has other cash cows to be that can replace pac in the future! e.g.;cotto, juanma, valero if he clears his license in the u.s.!
in reality arum doe'snt give a fuck if pac loses to pbf because of the "prepared alibi." pac has already given enough "milk" to toprank, became the best p4p, defeated a bunch of hof'ers won the hearts of a lot of boxing fans and renewed others back to the sport. though i hate to see him losing to pbf, or hate to assert my ongoing theory that nobody can really beat pbf in this generation. :(
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)
Comparing Pac vs. Marquez and Floyd vs. Marquez is irrelevant. Two completely different weight classes. The Floyd vs. Marquez match up was a complete mismatch from the day the fight was signed. And while the PPV sales might have been high...the actual fight was a snoozefest. Pac generates excitement in the ring. Floyd, for all of his technical brilliance, generates more excitement on the pre-fight hype than in the actual ring. You don't have to be a Pac fan to realize that he is the most exciting and probably most popular fighter in the sport. So in the end...it doesn't really matter about previous fights...what matters is the ability for the fighters to generate $$$$...and Pac can do that as well if not better than Floyd at this point. So having said that...Pac deserves at least half of the purse. Floyd will not be fighting an up and comer, he will not be fighting a stiff...he will be fighting (whether you agree with it or not) the current pound for pound fighter in the sport (we shall see what happens with the Cotto fight). Personally, I wish both Pac and Floyd fought guys in their "natural" weight classes. But again...boxing is as much a business as a sport. And while in the ring these two fighters might not be equals (i see Floyd winning with relative ease at welterweight)...from a business standpoint, they certainly are equals.
Actually, no. From a business standpoint Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. In terms of popularity in the US Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. I will agree that Pacquiao is more entertaining to most/me (but this is all opinion as some appreciate the science more).
Unless Pacquiao does huge numbers in his fight with Cotto (sans Cotto's share of viewership), I can't see how Arum can even think about 50%.
In business, the topic i'm discussing, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Who puts on the best show is irrelevant because that doesn't always equal viewership. I love Michael Katsidis's style, but there's a reason he was on the undercard of the Mayweather fight.
Simply put, Mayweather's numbers are, at this point, better than Pacquiao's numbers and unless Pacquiao (along with Cotto) does something to reverse that, 50% is simply foolish.
I have to disagree. I don't have the PPV numbers for both fighters...but right now...i think they are equal in popularity and it wouldn't shock me if Pac was even more popular. Especially after the Delahoya fight...Pac took his name to a new level. And when i took to most casual boxing fans...they certainly get more excited about Pac than Floyd. Again..Floyd mainly sells fights extremely well because he plays the loud mouth villain role so well. Sure, his technical brilliance is enjoyed by some...but his fighting style does not translate into a huge fan base. But a lot of people are excited about Pac in general. Not to mention 2 huge demographics know him very well: the Filipino and the Mexican fan base. Again...none of this has anything to do with who i think will win. But Pac, whether you agree with it or not, is the current pfp champ...and AS POPULAR a fighter as there is in the sport. And lets not oversell Floyd's ability to promote/sell fights. AFTER ALL...his biggest draw was the Oscar fight...and we all know Oscar could sell out stadiums fighting bums. Hatton also brought his huge fan base and overseas contigency to the table. Floyd, overall, hasn't been a huge PPV seller BY HIMSELF like someone like Oscar. I guarantee the Pac vs. Cotto fight will sell more than Mayweather vs. Marquez. IF Pac wins that fight...his popularity and pfp ranking will soar even more...and Floyd will not have much in the form of making contract demands.
Re: Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?
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His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.
Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.
Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.
And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?
Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?
Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.
I might get some predictions wrong. You know why? Cuz unlike you i actually watch other fights. If Pac ain't involved you ain't watching. Your obsessed with him. It's the reason your stupid enough to say Pacquiao should get 50%. It's obvious by his last fight, Mayweather is clearly the superior fighter. But your a groupie. So you can't see that
The issue here is about Pac ducking anyone. You haven't answered my question coz as much as I am a Pac fan, you are a pac hater who won't give a chance to Pac against anybody.
Pac deserves the 50% because in terms of popularity, he's at par with Mayweather (IMO, he's better to watch than mayweather). Your stupidity won't accept the fact that in negotiations, anybody (especially if he's the pound for pound #1) can ask for 50% and it doesn't mean he's trying to duck. The fact that they're willing to negotiate means they want the fight. FYI, I also watch other fights but I'm not like you who always brag about watching some unknown fighters fight. The fact that I have been in Saddo for years means I actually do love boxing and not just Pacquaio.:cool:
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Comparing Pac vs. Marquez and Floyd vs. Marquez is irrelevant. Two completely different weight classes. The Floyd vs. Marquez match up was a complete mismatch from the day the fight was signed. And while the PPV sales might have been high...the actual fight was a snoozefest. Pac generates excitement in the ring. Floyd, for all of his technical brilliance, generates more excitement on the pre-fight hype than in the actual ring. You don't have to be a Pac fan to realize that he is the most exciting and probably most popular fighter in the sport. So in the end...it doesn't really matter about previous fights...what matters is the ability for the fighters to generate $$$$...and Pac can do that as well if not better than Floyd at this point. So having said that...Pac deserves at least half of the purse. Floyd will not be fighting an up and comer, he will not be fighting a stiff...he will be fighting (whether you agree with it or not) the current pound for pound fighter in the sport (we shall see what happens with the Cotto fight). Personally, I wish both Pac and Floyd fought guys in their "natural" weight classes. But again...boxing is as much a business as a sport. And while in the ring these two fighters might not be equals (i see Floyd winning with relative ease at welterweight)...from a business standpoint, they certainly are equals.
Actually, no. From a business standpoint Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. In terms of popularity in the US Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. I will agree that Pacquiao is more entertaining to most/me (but this is all opinion as some appreciate the science more).
Unless Pacquiao does huge numbers in his fight with Cotto (sans Cotto's share of viewership), I can't see how Arum can even think about 50%.
In business, the topic i'm discussing, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Who puts on the best show is irrelevant because that doesn't always equal viewership. I love Michael Katsidis's style, but there's a reason he was on the undercard of the Mayweather fight.
Simply put, Mayweather's numbers are, at this point, better than Pacquiao's numbers and unless Pacquiao (along with Cotto) does something to reverse that, 50% is simply foolish.
I have to disagree. I don't have the PPV numbers for both fighters...but right now...i think they are equal in popularity and it wouldn't shock me if Pac was even more popular. Especially after the Delahoya fight...Pac took his name to a new level. And when i took to most casual boxing fans...they certainly get more excited about Pac than Floyd. Again..Floyd mainly sells fights extremely well because he plays the loud mouth villain role so well. Sure, his technical brilliance is enjoyed by some...but his fighting style does not translate into a huge fan base. But a lot of people are excited about Pac in general. Not to mention 2 huge demographics know him very well: the Filipino and the Mexican fan base. Again...none of this has anything to do with who i think will win. But Pac, whether you agree with it or not, is the current pfp champ...and AS POPULAR a fighter as there is in the sport. And lets not oversell Floyd's ability to promote/sell fights. AFTER ALL...his biggest draw was the Oscar fight...and we all know Oscar could sell out stadiums fighting bums. Hatton also brought his huge fan base and overseas contigency to the table. Floyd, overall, hasn't been a huge PPV seller BY HIMSELF like someone like Oscar. I guarantee the Pac vs. Cotto fight will sell more than Mayweather vs. Marquez. IF Pac wins that fight...his popularity and pfp ranking will soar even more...and Floyd will not have much in the form of making contract demands.
No, i'm afraid you're wrong.
Mayweather's numbers against the same opponents are better. Oscar/Hatton were the reasons for the majority of viewership in their fights with Mayweather, but they were also the reason for the majority of viewership in their fights with Pacquiao. The only difference is their fights with Mayweather sold better than their fights with Pacquiao.
Again, i'm not debating who is more entertaining. I agree, to myself, Pacquiao is more entertaining. I'm talking purely from a business stand point. In business, things like p4p rankings hold no weight. In business all that matters is the bottom line. What matters is who sells more and at this point Mayweather does. He is also more popular in the USA.
In order for Pacquiao to get the money he wants, he will have to do great numbers with Cotto. Not just solid numbers or good numbers, he will have to do great.
I just don't see, from a business stand point, how Arum can ask for 50%. And if Pacquiao's fight against Cotto sells less than Mayweather/Marquez, he'll be lucky to get a 60/40 split.
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Actually, no. From a business standpoint Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. In terms of popularity in the US Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. I will agree that Pacquiao is more entertaining to most/me (but this is all opinion as some appreciate the science more).
Unless Pacquiao does huge numbers in his fight with Cotto (sans Cotto's share of viewership), I can't see how Arum can even think about 50%.
In business, the topic i'm discussing, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Who puts on the best show is irrelevant because that doesn't always equal viewership. I love Michael Katsidis's style, but there's a reason he was on the undercard of the Mayweather fight.
Simply put, Mayweather's numbers are, at this point, better than Pacquiao's numbers and unless Pacquiao (along with Cotto) does something to reverse that, 50% is simply foolish.
I have to disagree. I don't have the PPV numbers for both fighters...but right now...i think they are equal in popularity and it wouldn't shock me if Pac was even more popular. Especially after the Delahoya fight...Pac took his name to a new level. And when i took to most casual boxing fans...they certainly get more excited about Pac than Floyd. Again..Floyd mainly sells fights extremely well because he plays the loud mouth villain role so well. Sure, his technical brilliance is enjoyed by some...but his fighting style does not translate into a huge fan base. But a lot of people are excited about Pac in general. Not to mention 2 huge demographics know him very well: the Filipino and the Mexican fan base. Again...none of this has anything to do with who i think will win. But Pac, whether you agree with it or not, is the current pfp champ...and AS POPULAR a fighter as there is in the sport. And lets not oversell Floyd's ability to promote/sell fights. AFTER ALL...his biggest draw was the Oscar fight...and we all know Oscar could sell out stadiums fighting bums. Hatton also brought his huge fan base and overseas contigency to the table. Floyd, overall, hasn't been a huge PPV seller BY HIMSELF like someone like Oscar. I guarantee the Pac vs. Cotto fight will sell more than Mayweather vs. Marquez. IF Pac wins that fight...his popularity and pfp ranking will soar even more...and Floyd will not have much in the form of making contract demands.
No, i'm afraid you're wrong.
Mayweather's numbers against the same opponents are better. Oscar/Hatton were the reasons for the majority of viewership in their fights with Mayweather, but they were also the reason for the majority of viewership in their fights with Pacquiao. The only difference is their fights with Mayweather sold better than their fights with Pacquiao.
Again, i'm not debating who is more entertaining. I agree, to myself, Pacquiao is more entertaining. I'm talking purely from a business stand point. In business, things like p4p rankings hold no weight. In business all that matters is the bottom line. What matters is who sells more and at this point Mayweather does. He is also more popular in the USA.
In order for Pacquiao to get the money he wants, he will have to do great numbers with Cotto. Not just solid numbers or good numbers, he will have to do great.
I just don't see, from a business stand point, how Arum can ask for 50%. And if Pacquiao's fight against Cotto sells less than Mayweather/Marquez, he'll be lucky to get a 60/40 split.
Could it be possible that DLH vs Mayweather was better in PPV compared to Pac vs DLH because it was more exciting? DLH seems to have a chance against MAyweather but Pac vs DLH was considered to be a mismatch in favor of DLH.
Just a thought.;)
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Actually, no. From a business standpoint Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. In terms of popularity in the US Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. I will agree that Pacquiao is more entertaining to most/me (but this is all opinion as some appreciate the science more).
Unless Pacquiao does huge numbers in his fight with Cotto (sans Cotto's share of viewership), I can't see how Arum can even think about 50%.
In business, the topic i'm discussing, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Who puts on the best show is irrelevant because that doesn't always equal viewership. I love Michael Katsidis's style, but there's a reason he was on the undercard of the Mayweather fight.
Simply put, Mayweather's numbers are, at this point, better than Pacquiao's numbers and unless Pacquiao (along with Cotto) does something to reverse that, 50% is simply foolish.
I have to disagree. I don't have the PPV numbers for both fighters...but right now...i think they are equal in popularity and it wouldn't shock me if Pac was even more popular. Especially after the Delahoya fight...Pac took his name to a new level. And when i took to most casual boxing fans...they certainly get more excited about Pac than Floyd. Again..Floyd mainly sells fights extremely well because he plays the loud mouth villain role so well. Sure, his technical brilliance is enjoyed by some...but his fighting style does not translate into a huge fan base. But a lot of people are excited about Pac in general. Not to mention 2 huge demographics know him very well: the Filipino and the Mexican fan base. Again...none of this has anything to do with who i think will win. But Pac, whether you agree with it or not, is the current pfp champ...and AS POPULAR a fighter as there is in the sport. And lets not oversell Floyd's ability to promote/sell fights. AFTER ALL...his biggest draw was the Oscar fight...and we all know Oscar could sell out stadiums fighting bums. Hatton also brought his huge fan base and overseas contigency to the table. Floyd, overall, hasn't been a huge PPV seller BY HIMSELF like someone like Oscar. I guarantee the Pac vs. Cotto fight will sell more than Mayweather vs. Marquez. IF Pac wins that fight...his popularity and pfp ranking will soar even more...and Floyd will not have much in the form of making contract demands.
No, i'm afraid you're wrong.
Mayweather's numbers against the same opponents are better. Oscar/Hatton were the reasons for the majority of viewership in their fights with Mayweather, but they were also the reason for the majority of viewership in their fights with Pacquiao. The only difference is their fights with Mayweather sold better than their fights with Pacquiao.
Again, i'm not debating who is more entertaining. I agree, to myself, Pacquiao is more entertaining. I'm talking purely from a business stand point. In business, things like p4p rankings hold no weight. In business all that matters is the bottom line. What matters is who sells more and at this point Mayweather does. He is also more popular in the USA.
In order for Pacquiao to get the money he wants, he will have to do great numbers with Cotto. Not just solid numbers or good numbers, he will have to do great.
I just don't see, from a business stand point, how Arum can ask for 50%. And if Pacquiao's fight against Cotto sells less than Mayweather/Marquez, he'll be lucky to get a 60/40 split.
Do you have the numbers to back up your claims? Again, not saying one fighter is overwhelmingly more popular than the other...but i think Pac is at least on par with Floyd. Not to mention Pac's popularity is steadily rising. IF HE BEATS Cotto...Floyd will not have the upper hand in the negotiations. Story lines sell...and right now Pac is like David vs. Goliath. He beat physically "bigger" fighters in Hatton, Delahoya, and maybe Cotto. Floyd's last win came over the undersized Marquez. Pac is just riding the bigger wave...and it will only get bigger if he beats Cotto.
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I have to disagree. I don't have the PPV numbers for both fighters...but right now...i think they are equal in popularity and it wouldn't shock me if Pac was even more popular. Especially after the Delahoya fight...Pac took his name to a new level. And when i took to most casual boxing fans...they certainly get more excited about Pac than Floyd. Again..Floyd mainly sells fights extremely well because he plays the loud mouth villain role so well. Sure, his technical brilliance is enjoyed by some...but his fighting style does not translate into a huge fan base. But a lot of people are excited about Pac in general. Not to mention 2 huge demographics know him very well: the Filipino and the Mexican fan base. Again...none of this has anything to do with who i think will win. But Pac, whether you agree with it or not, is the current pfp champ...and AS POPULAR a fighter as there is in the sport. And lets not oversell Floyd's ability to promote/sell fights. AFTER ALL...his biggest draw was the Oscar fight...and we all know Oscar could sell out stadiums fighting bums. Hatton also brought his huge fan base and overseas contigency to the table. Floyd, overall, hasn't been a huge PPV seller BY HIMSELF like someone like Oscar. I guarantee the Pac vs. Cotto fight will sell more than Mayweather vs. Marquez. IF Pac wins that fight...his popularity and pfp ranking will soar even more...and Floyd will not have much in the form of making contract demands.
No, i'm afraid you're wrong.
Mayweather's numbers against the same opponents are better. Oscar/Hatton were the reasons for the majority of viewership in their fights with Mayweather, but they were also the reason for the majority of viewership in their fights with Pacquiao. The only difference is their fights with Mayweather sold better than their fights with Pacquiao.
Again, i'm not debating who is more entertaining. I agree, to myself, Pacquiao is more entertaining. I'm talking purely from a business stand point. In business, things like p4p rankings hold no weight. In business all that matters is the bottom line. What matters is who sells more and at this point Mayweather does. He is also more popular in the USA.
In order for Pacquiao to get the money he wants, he will have to do great numbers with Cotto. Not just solid numbers or good numbers, he will have to do great.
I just don't see, from a business stand point, how Arum can ask for 50%. And if Pacquiao's fight against Cotto sells less than Mayweather/Marquez, he'll be lucky to get a 60/40 split.
Do you have the numbers to back up your claims? Again, not saying one fighter is overwhelmingly more popular than the other...but i think Pac is at least on par with Floyd. Not to mention Pac's popularity is steadily rising. IF HE BEATS Cotto...Floyd will not have the upper hand in the negotiations. Story lines sell...and right now Pac is like David vs. Goliath. He beat physically "bigger" fighters in Hatton, Delahoya, and maybe Cotto. Floyd's last win came over the undersized Marquez. Pac is just riding the bigger wave...and it will only get bigger if he beats Cotto.
If Pacquiao wins, even in dominating fashion, but the fight doesn't sell, no he will not have the upperhand in contractual dealings. I'm not saying he won't get the split because Arum is a smart businessman, i'm just saying Mayweather's people will have the leverage while negotiating
It's simple math. The bigger monetary draw recieves the lions share of the money. When the numbers are posted side by side, as I will post now since you asked, Mayweather is easily the bigger monetary draw. Not only the bigger draw but also the bigger star on US soil.
Here are the numbers
Pay Per View Sales:
Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 2.4 million
Pacquiao: 1.2 million
Vs. Marquez
Mayweather: 1.0 million
Pacquiao: 400K
Vs Hatton
Mayweather: 950K
Pacquiao: 825K
Total:
Mayweather: 4,35 million
Pacquiao: 2.43 million
Other Opponents
Mayweather vs Baldomir: 325K
Pacquiao vs Diaz: 175K
Mayweather vs Judah: 390K
Pacquiao vs Barrera: 350K
Box Office Sales:
Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 17,078 attendance; $18.4 million revenue (the record)
Pacquiao: 14,468 attendance; $14.4 million revenue
Vs. Marquez:
Mayweather: 13,116 attendance
Pacquiao: 11,061 attendance
Vs Hatton:
Mayweather: 15,488 attendance; $10.4 million revenue
Pacquiao: 15,368 attendance, $8.8 million revenue
