Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Fenster
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killersheep
I went Haye, but if Valuev starts leaning on him it's gonna go very bad in the mid-rounds.
Hey Fens what are odds of Valuev falling through the canvas if he gets knocked down?
I actually was thinking about that very same thing. ;D
Ive just had this feeling all week long that haye is just gonna steam roller through him and massacre him with a huge right in about the 4th or 5th.
All logic suggests this should be a close fight that will be determained on hayes ability to handle valuevs heighth and reach advantage over nikolays ability to adapt to hayes superior speed and footwork. But ive just got this funny feeling in my water this supposed close contest is gonna be extremely one sided.
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Tysonbruno
Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
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CFH
I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.
agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Tysonbruno
Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
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CFH
I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.
agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there
You should seriously be employed by a US boxing authority as some kind of spin doctor
You could convince the entire world that the best heavyweight in the world is Cris Byrd and that evander holyfield beat lennox lewis twice!!
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Tysonbruno
Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything,
if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
No
it means he was too small.
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Tysonbruno
Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything,
if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
No
it means he was too small.
is that meant to be tongue in cheek??
If not your completely being unfair here, ruiz, holyfield and chagaev all dealt with his heighth advantage. Why shouldnt haye?
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Tysonbruno
Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything,
if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
No
it means he was too small.
ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses
HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Tysonbruno
Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
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Originally Posted by
CFH
I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.
agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there
Did Ruiz drop Valuev?? I don't remember that!
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
No
it means he was too small.
ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses
HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
Holyfield was a proven heavyweight.
Not all great cruiserweights make great heavyweights. In fact it's very rare. Ask Lyle.
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Tysonbruno
Haye all the way for me and if he could knock him down it would be good to see if he goes through the ring and if he stops him it will send out a statement to the heavyweights.
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
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Originally Posted by
CFH
I actually think Haye should be the first to stop Valuev. If not, he'll win a wide decision as long as he doesn't gas. I'm not as sold on Haye as some people, but I have a very low opinion of Valuev.
agreed, like i said, Ruiz of all people dropped him, not too much goin on there
Did Ruiz drop Valuev?? I don't remember that!
yea he dropped him in the rematch
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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hattonthehammer
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
not really, Ruiz who's hardly a big puncher already dropped the Sasquatch, and an old Holyfield already should have gotten a W against him as well, so if anything, if Haye doesn't beat Valuev, it pretty much proves he's all hype
No
it means he was too small.
is that meant to be tongue in cheek??
If not your completely being unfair here, ruiz, holyfield and chagaev all dealt with his heighth advantage. Why shouldnt haye?
They are proven heavyweights.
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Fenster
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ElTerribleMorales
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Fenster
No
it means he was too small.
ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses
HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
Holyfield was a proven heavyweight.
Not all great cruiserweights make great heavyweights. In fact it's very rare. Ask Lyle.
Holyfield was also the man running the pace of the fight despite being a few years away from his 50th birthday
There are no excuses here, if haye cant do what ruiz, chagaev and a borderliner pensioner could then he indeed is a complete fraud who has wasted everybodys time!!
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
No
it means he was too small.
ummm no it proves he sucks ass, cause a guy who started his career in the same division as him, only 15 years earlier, who has about the same build and is half an inch shorter than him, also add in that he's 18 years older than him, outboxed Valuev and made him look like a fool, so don't come with the BS excuses
HOLYFIELD-
Age: 47
Height: 6′ 2½″ / 189cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
HAYE -
Age: 29
Height: 6′ 3″ / 191cm
Reach: 78″ / 198cm
Holyfield was a proven heavyweight.
Not all great cruiserweights make great heavyweights. In fact it's very rare. Ask Lyle.
that has to do more with skill, fighting style, and mindset than it does size, you said it'd be cause he was too small, Holyfield is a fraction of an inch shorter, and he's one of the greatest recent heavies,so don't feed me that bull
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
I don't remember Ruiz dropping Valuev either. Of course Valuev's fights with Ruiz and Holyfield I try to block from memory.
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
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killersheep
I don't remember Ruiz dropping Valuev either. Of course Valuev's fights with Ruiz and Holyfield I try to block from memory.
From what i do remember (have had therapy since to try and forget) ruiz on several occasions roughed him up particularly in the 1st fight and landed clean hard punches to the FACE with his 6`2 stature
Chagaev just bullied him for 12rounds, completely cut off all space between the 2 and took a comfortable decision
Re: Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.
Fight Beat | News
"Ruiz was not credited with a legitimate knockdown when he floored Valuev in the second round. Ruiz blasted Valuev with punches, knocking "The Giant" into the ropes, but the referee incorrectly ruled a slip when Valuev's knee hit the canvas after he careened off of the ropes. Scoring that round would have been different, in Ruiz' favor, if it was ruled a knockdown."
