Do you think Marg cheated against Cotto?

I voted Don't know. I think he probably did, but without proof no one can say definitively whether he did or not. He is a piece of shit and I'd love to see him get knocked out another 10 times.

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Id lik to put up an argument myself. im not defending Margo in anyway but i am in my opinion that You cnt say yes unless you saw hiw hands beign wrapped...
Dnt you guys think Cotto's face was disfiguered by all those dam punches Margarito was landing?
The plaster didnt help Margo land (if it was in der) and Margo was landing alot of bombs.

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Mosley landed quite a few bombs on Cotto too but his face didnt look like it did after the Margo fight. and i consider Mosley a much harder puncher than Margs..

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Id lik to put up an argument myself. im not defending Margo in anyway but i am in my opinion that You cnt say yes unless you saw hiw hands beign wrapped...
Dnt you guys think Cotto's face was disfiguered by all those dam punches Margarito was landing?
The plaster didnt help Margo land (if it was in der) and Margo was landing alot of bombs.

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Mosley landed quite a few bombs on Cotto too but his face didnt look like it did after the Margo fight. and i consider Mosley a much harder puncher than Margs..

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Margarito landed alot more dan Mosley and in combinations of 4s and 5s...Mosley only landed lik 1,2s sure he hits harder but Margo hit him way more times and more effectively.

No one is ever going to know but conclussions are drawn.Nothing like 20/20 hindsight and some armchair detective work though.I think to point to Cottos busted up face as 'evidence' is somewhat weak.You can pick apart any era,any year of the sport and find mugs just as distorted and lumped up.Cotto was getting hit clean,body and head,much and from all angles.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

No one is ever going to know but conclussions are drawn.Nothing like 20/20 hindsight and some armchair detective work though.I think to point to Cottos busted up face as 'evidence' is somewhat weak.You can pick apart any era,any year of the sport and find mugs just as distorted and lumped up.Cotto was getting hit clean,body and head,much and from all angles.

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Completely agree with u. You got it all in one small and solid paragraph.:cool:

IMO yes , lot of things happened in that fight , at the same time we have to add that Evangelista probably didn't be meticulous checking the wraps work , in that moment they had problems in their corner , so that would be ones of the consequences that could happened in that night.....
Other thing is , the way that Cotto been after the fight , he been inflamed during 3 weeks and bleeding through his ears , how can a boxer that don't have imminent punch as Margaro do that kind of thing ? , yes i know that probably somebody can give an answer , but why the doubt still existing..........

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Originally Posted by amat

Wow I had never seen those pics before, good stuff. It wasn't the same as Resto-Collins though, in that fight it was the glove that was manipulated. Only later (after the Margarito flap I believe) was it that Resto claimed that there was also plaster in the gloves.

Look at the blood on the handwraps, if I'm not mistaken the plaster knucklepad they found had blood on it right? I'm not sure which one had blood on it but look at the pic of his left hand where you can see blood on his knuckles. If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be in the exact same spot where the blood was on the knucklepad they confiscated. Could he have seriously used the same one or is that some strange coincidence? WTF man. How can Arum defend this shit?

OF COURSE he cheated against Cotto, you don't just start cheating when you're at the top especially against Mosley who was a big underdog.

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:vd: Hand wraps get cut off after every fight. It's impossible for him to have used the same ones.

And the Nevada commission clear Margarito of any wrong doing. Cotto's camp didn't object during the hand wrappings. Cuz there was nothing to object about.

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Originally Posted by Macho

...at the same time we have to add that Evangelista probably didn't be meticulous checking the wraps work , in that moment they had problems in their corner , so that would be ones of the consequences that could happened in that night...

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

...And the Nevada commission clear Margarito of any wrong doing. Cotto's camp didn't object during the hand wrappings. Cuz there was nothing to object about.

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This is what I was wondering. What did Cotto's corner (was it Evangelista in there) say after all this? Did he say, "No way I watched like a hawk. Those wraps were legal.", or did he say, "Well I don't know, I never thought they would try to cheat! I mean I was in there, but not the whole time and I wasn't watching with all my attention."? Because to cheat you have to have the opportunity...

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Originally Posted by Myk_Myk

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Originally Posted by Macho

...at the same time we have to add that Evangelista probably didn't be meticulous checking the wraps work , in that moment they had problems in their corner , so that would be ones of the consequences that could happened in that night...

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

...And the Nevada commission clear Margarito of any wrong doing. Cotto's camp didn't object during the hand wrappings. Cuz there was nothing to object about.

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This is what I was wondering. What did Cotto's corner (was it Evangelista in there) say after all this? Did he say, "No way I watched like a hawk. Those wraps were legal.", or did he say, "Well I don't know, I never thought they would try to cheat! I mean I was in there, but not the whole time and I wasn't watching with all my attention."? Because to cheat you have to have the opportunity...

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I could be totally wrong here, but I swear I remember someone from HBO saying that E. Cotto didn't even have anyone watching Margarito getting his hands wrapped.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by amat

Wow I had never seen those pics before, good stuff. It wasn't the same as Resto-Collins though, in that fight it was the glove that was manipulated. Only later (after the Margarito flap I believe) was it that Resto claimed that there was also plaster in the gloves.

Look at the blood on the handwraps, if I'm not mistaken the plaster knucklepad they found had blood on it right? I'm not sure which one had blood on it but look at the pic of his left hand where you can see blood on his knuckles. If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be in the exact same spot where the blood was on the knucklepad they confiscated. Could he have seriously used the same one or is that some strange coincidence? WTF man. How can Arum defend this shit?

OF COURSE he cheated against Cotto, you don't just start cheating when you're at the top especially against Mosley who was a big underdog.

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:vd: Hand wraps get cut off after every fight. It's impossible for him to have used the same ones.

And the Nevada commission clear Margarito of any wrong doing. Cotto's camp didn't object during the hand wrappings. Cuz there was nothing to object about.

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The knucklepad...not the hand wraps. That's what was actually coated in plaster, not the whole hand wraps, but the knucklepad. Come on VD, common sense. It's possible, I mean the blood is in the same spot. They were used before...

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Originally Posted by Myk_Myk

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Originally Posted by Macho

...at the same time we have to add that Evangelista probably didn't be meticulous checking the wraps work , in that moment they had problems in their corner , so that would be ones of the consequences that could happened in that night...

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

...And the Nevada commission clear Margarito of any wrong doing. Cotto's camp didn't object during the hand wrappings. Cuz there was nothing to object about.

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This is what I was wondering. What did Cotto's corner (was it Evangelista in there) say after all this? Did he say, "No way I watched like a hawk. Those wraps were legal.", or did he say, "Well I don't know, I never thought they would try to cheat! I mean I was in there, but not the whole time and I wasn't watching with all my attention."? Because to cheat you have to have the opportunity...

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To me there was a lot of mistakes and too confidents............:-\

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by Chino

Something that people seem to ignore here is the fact that Margarito walked through Cotto's punches as if he was being hit with pillows. How can we explain that? Did he put plaster in his face? :confused:

I suppose that anybody who is cheating that way, the least they want is for anything to be noticed in their hands. And Margarito looks totally fine parading his hands all over the place. I will watch the fight again and see that close up his hands (left hand, like the picture posted here).

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You do that.

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Look from minute 1:56 and on. Look at him when he's being interviewed by Max with his hands up high to everybody's view while he's talking in front of all cameras, boxing experts, and so on. Is there a possibility that he cheated? OF COURSE! But I still think it would be a bit dumb for someone who cheated with his handwraps to be parading them all over the place, not hiding at all, and even in the interview knowing the cameras are showing and recording everything. Also, how can we explain the fact that Cotto's punches didn't do a thing and he kept walking through them with ease? Unless he injected plaster in his face.

YouTube - Antonio Margarito vs. Miguel Cotto [8/9]

I do think he cheated!

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Originally Posted by Chino

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by Chino

Something that people seem to ignore here is the fact that Margarito walked through Cotto's punches as if he was being hit with pillows. How can we explain that? Did he put plaster in his face? :confused:

I suppose that anybody who is cheating that way, the least they want is for anything to be noticed in their hands. And Margarito looks totally fine parading his hands all over the place. I will watch the fight again and see that close up his hands (left hand, like the picture posted here).

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You do that.

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Look from minute 1:56 and on. Look at him when he's being interviewed by Max with his hands up high to everybody's view while he's talking in front of all cameras, boxing experts, and so on. Is there a possibility that he cheated? OF COURSE! But I still think it would be a bit dumb for someone who cheated with his handwraps to be parading them all over the place, not hiding at all, and even in the interview knowing the cameras are showing and recording everything. Also, how can we explain the fact that Cotto's punches didn't do a thing and he kept walking through them with ease? Unless he injected plaster in his face.

YouTube - Antonio Margarito vs. Miguel Cotto [8/9]

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Yes but the more you get away with something the more confident you become with it, not to mention the knuckle pad (which is what is covered in plaster) is under the wraps. I agree with someone else on here who said he probably started using them after the Williams fight, he needed to start winning big and he totally destroyed Cintron in even better fashion in the second fight to the first.

But really how can looking at Cotto's face be weak evidence?? Was it weak evidence for Billy Collins? Cotto's nose was busted up bad very early, i think it was the second round. Marg is not a huge puncher and Cotto is one tough bastard too. I can see where people are coming from saying we can't be sure, but in them cases common sense should prevail and common sense to me points to Margarito being a cheat and not just against Mosley but against others including Cotto!

Yeah Margarito cheated vs Cotto...hell he probably cheated vs Cintron too