So, you admit Floyd is bigger than Pac?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
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So, you admit Floyd is bigger than Pac?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Wouldn't it be crazy if Pacquiao fought and beat Foreman at 154 and won a belt in an 8th weight class? I doubt Pacquiao could beat Martinez/Williams/Dzinzurik/Spinks at 154, but he could beat Foreman and Foreman now has a belt. Just for historical reasons even though obviously the Mayweather fight is much bigger as is aMosley fight etc.
To Foreman's credit, he solidly beat Santos last night, which somewhat surprised me and it was a better fight than Chavez Jr's by far.
It wouldn't be WORLD titles at 8 weights though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Also someone said that Mayweather's performances against ODLH and Hatton weren't as impressive as Pacs in a reply to my earlier post. Well no I admit that but Mayweather wasn't fighting a weight drained De La Hoya who was well and truely over the hill and had just looked shite against Steve fucking Forbes, no he had just looked great against Mayorga and Mayweather went upto 154lbs and beat De La Hoya in his comfort zone. Now I don't expect Pac to do that and I give him credit for what he did to Oscar but it is ignorant to overlook all the facts.
As for Hatton, Floyd fought him when he was unbeaten and had not been knocked out. He set the trend there by KOing him and Hatton looked crap against Lazcano but against feather fisted Malignaggi he looked good but he always would. Also Hatton totally underestimated Pac and just run out with his chin out and got it handed to him. Again I don't want to take anything away from Pac but lets take all the facts into consideration before speaking please!
That would be a good last fight for him before he retires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Bob Arum should give you a call for ideas.
Foreman did not show any power, so was Chavez Jr.
Why would they have a Chavez 10 rounder before the big fight? I almost missed the big fight...dozing off.LOL
PAC Biting more than he can chew?
PAC wants to know the answer too....notice how he was testing Cotto's power in the early rounds.
He will keep biting till then...boxing fans enjoy!
When i say biting more than he can chew the reason i said that was because he was getting caught and mad when cotto was running and punching. So knowing Mayweather has a superb defense, foottspeed, and hand speed. I believe in this fight Mayweather will stay out of range and challenge him to game of stick and move and beat him on points due to jabs and counters Mayweather isn't a risk taker and he's gonna run all night.
The way to beat Pac is through effective counter punching and Floyd is the best in the world at it. When Pac starts getting mad because Floyd is landing on him and starts making mistakes because he is going forward without any caution I think Floyd will get him out of there. He played with Marquez for 12 rounds and anytime after the 6th had he stepped it up he could have stopped it but CHOSE to let Marquez go the distance. With Pac he will want to prove how much better he is and I think he will stop him. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong but thats the way I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
A few months ago I tore into Pacman's accomplishments for fun just to rile people up. We can do this with Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuIt wouldn't be WORLD titles at 8 weights though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Also someone said that Mayweather's performances against ODLH and Hatton weren't as impressive as Pacs in a reply to my earlier post. Well no I admit that but Mayweather wasn't fighting a weight drained De La Hoya who was well and truely over the hill and had just looked shite against Steve fucking Forbes, no he had just looked great against Mayorga and Mayweather went upto 154lbs and beat De La Hoya in his comfort zone. Now I don't expect Pac to do that and I give him credit for what he did to Oscar but it is ignorant to overlook all the facts.
As for Hatton, Floyd fought him when he was unbeaten and had not been knocked out. He set the trend there by KOing him and Hatton looked crap against Lazcano but against feather fisted Malignaggi he looked good but he always would. Also Hatton totally underestimated Pac and just run out with his chin out and got it handed to him. Again I don't want to take anything away from Pac but lets take all the facts into consideration before speaking please!
-Delahoya: 34 years old past his prime and was inactive
-Hatton: Was fighting above his best weight class and Joe Cortez
-Baldomir: Wasnt worthy of the 147 crown
-Gatti: a 33 year old past his prime club fighter
-Marquez: a 36 year old past his prime fighter fighting 3 weight classes above his best fighting weight.
You see how easy it is to tear down a fighter's accomplishments? And I can say those are facts also.
In no way is that a fact. Baldomir was the linear champion at 147, ergo he was worthy of the crown since he earned it by beathing the former champion. Was he a mediocre titlist? Absolutely, but he was also "worthy" of the position because he earned it the same way everyone else has.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogA few months ago I tore into Pacman's accomplishments for fun just to rile people up. We can do this with Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuIt wouldn't be WORLD titles at 8 weights though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Also someone said that Mayweather's performances against ODLH and Hatton weren't as impressive as Pacs in a reply to my earlier post. Well no I admit that but Mayweather wasn't fighting a weight drained De La Hoya who was well and truely over the hill and had just looked shite against Steve fucking Forbes, no he had just looked great against Mayorga and Mayweather went upto 154lbs and beat De La Hoya in his comfort zone. Now I don't expect Pac to do that and I give him credit for what he did to Oscar but it is ignorant to overlook all the facts.
As for Hatton, Floyd fought him when he was unbeaten and had not been knocked out. He set the trend there by KOing him and Hatton looked crap against Lazcano but against feather fisted Malignaggi he looked good but he always would. Also Hatton totally underestimated Pac and just run out with his chin out and got it handed to him. Again I don't want to take anything away from Pac but lets take all the facts into consideration before speaking please!
-Delahoya: 34 years old past his prime and was inactive
-Hatton: Was fighting above his best weight class and Joe Cortez
-Baldomir: Wasnt worthy of the 147 crown
-Gatti: a 33 year old past his prime club fighter
-Marquez: a 36 year old past his prime fighter fighting 3 weight classes above his best fighting weight.
You see how easy it is to tear down a fighter's accomplishments? And I can say those are facts also.
Understandable i think pac will get mad and lose rounds
This is nonsense as a Mayweather fan I think Floyd wins but Pac has the best chance to beat the man. it's the only reasonable fight!!!
Yes he was the lineal champ, but as you stated he was a mediocre titlist. And some people would interpret that as not worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIn no way is that a fact. Baldomir was the linear champion at 147, ergo he was worthy of the crown since he earned it by beathing the former champion. Was he a mediocre titlist? Absolutely, but he was also "worthy" of the position because he earned it the same way everyone else has.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogA few months ago I tore into Pacman's accomplishments for fun just to rile people up. We can do this with Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
-Delahoya: 34 years old past his prime and was inactive
-Hatton: Was fighting above his best weight class and Joe Cortez
-Baldomir: Wasnt worthy of the 147 crown
-Gatti: a 33 year old past his prime club fighter
-Marquez: a 36 year old past his prime fighter fighting 3 weight classes above his best fighting weight.
You see how easy it is to tear down a fighter's accomplishments? And I can say those are facts also.
Anyway my point being was that anyone can tear down a fighters' accomplishment. That was the point, we'll both disagree on Baldomir.
Floyd's last weigh-in weight was at 146 lbs. (supposed to be 144 but he paid money for 2 lbs. more). Pacquiao's last weigh-in weight was at 144 lbs. They could start negotiations at 145 lbs. and if Floyd wants it at higher weight then he has to pay penalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
I think purse split is the hardest part in the negotiations. I also favor a 50/50 split but I think one camp will demand a higher share. I have no problem with this fight having a 51/49 purse split.
This is Hatton's exact words. "Pacquiao hardest puncher I faced"Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuPacquiao has faster hands than SRR but I don't think he'd beat him either! I'm not even that sure he is faster than Floyd, but it's close and i'll give him that. As for Hatton's hardest punching opponent?? I doubt it, Tszyu hit very very hard but Hatton had a lot better chin in those days. IMO Hatton lost a lot when Mayweather KO'd him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohn
Nope, for one thing Mayweather does not hit as hard as Cotto. Let's not forget Cotto is very, very good and is a strong natural welterweight, Pacquaio will give Floyd fits and it will go 12 rounds. Floyd can all he wants, Pacman will be there all night long.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
Hatton may have said that, I said Hatton didn't have the same punch resistance as he did when he fought Tszyu, so the punches against Pac hurt him more.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnThis is Hatton's exact words. "Pacquiao hardest puncher I faced"Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuPacquiao has faster hands than SRR but I don't think he'd beat him either! I'm not even that sure he is faster than Floyd, but it's close and i'll give him that. As for Hatton's hardest punching opponent?? I doubt it, Tszyu hit very very hard but Hatton had a lot better chin in those days. IMO Hatton lost a lot when Mayweather KO'd him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohn