If it was Mayweather, not Tszyu in the ring that night in Manchester.....

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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Sorry to be pedenatic but how do you have it a shut out when Mayweather spent practically the entire 5th round on the ropes? ( iirc it was the 5th).

Floyd was more aggressive at 140 and would have pulled the trigger more often ending it earlier. Hatton closed the distance then exactly the same way he does now, by hopping in a straight line. against Pac/Mayweather who can take a short step back and nail him he gets battered every time. The Floyd Hatton fought was pretty hesitant and didn't take advantage of every opportunity as Pac did, the version that fought Gatti would've destroyed him.

Referee -Ray Hatton

3 Judges scoring the fight from Ringside:

Carol Hatton
Matthew Hatton
Grandpa Hatton

Venue - A park on Hattersley Council Estste, Hyde, Greater Manchester


Result - still the same ;D



Still love ya though Rick :cool:

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Referee -Ray Hatton

3 Judges scoring the fight from Ringside:

Carol Hatton
Matthew Hatton
Grandpa Hatton

Venue - A park on Hattersley Council Estste, Hyde, Greater Manchester


Result - still the same ;D



Still love ya though Rick :cool:

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

First of all Mayweather Jr is 8 years younger than Tszyu, Hatton fought a Tszyu who had 3 rounds in 2 and a half years! Fighting in his own backyard, with a referee who inexplicably forgot the rules of boxing that night Hatton got his biggest win. I also think Hatton has not been the same since that fight, it took a lot out of him. Mayweather would beat Hatton in any fight anywhere, anytime. The Tszyu of 1999-2001 KO's Hatton as easily as Pacquiao did!

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A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.

seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.

would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK

SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.

Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!

ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

would ricky hatton of had any chance of pulling of the win against Mayweather??

I thought RH was a different animal that night, im not saying he would of won but it would of been a hell of a lot closer than when they fought at the later date...

your thoughts???

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Tszyu fought Rickys fight that night and thats how Kt grew to like delivering it himself.

He could of boxed to a win if he had really wanted it different but he is a stubborn prick and there to please the fans and so he took it head on instead.

Floyd wouldnt have fought Rickys fight that night and would have got Ricky overcommitted and had him paying for it then would have got him frustrated and cleaned him up..

If Floyd had fought Rickys fight that night Floyd would have lost too,Ricky was going to win 'his fight'; and he did 100% props to him on that massive job too.

It's a tough one because in that fight there were no real worries about Ricky's chin. Even when he went into it, you felt pretty safe he could handle some big punches.

He definatley took rounds against Mayweather, he would have done the same in the UK fight. I think he could have lasted longer and could have wobbled Floyd.

One thing is for sure, it wouldn't have been an easy fight for Floyd at all. He would have known he had been in a fight.

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.

seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.

would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK

SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.

Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!

ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)

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You are trippin, 90,% of Tszyus fans took it on the chin like he did. Some made excuses but we all know what I said above is true.Ricky did a great job on him, the only way he could of done the job.(And Im a big Tszyu fan).

The whinging pom thing started in Australia very early on mainly because of the weather out here and many people fresh off the ship in the wrong season thought they had stepped off into hell and didnt shut up about how good it was at home.

The Mediterraneans that came here off the same ships were used to such beatings off the sun already and just got out there and dug the fields made a fortune and called it home, so unfortunatley us poms that migrated out here early got a bad rap and it stuck.

They thought we were dirty pigs too, cause we only knew to have a bath once a week and knew no different until a week of wicked weather hit even then some didnt learn fast enough.

Cause out here you have to shower it off once a day minimum in between swimming with the sharks and drinking very cold piss (beer) wearing a large hat and keeping your mouth shut to conserve moisture and keep the flies out, so you see winging doesnt suit the climate or the local toleraters tolerance levels.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

It's a tough one because in that fight there were no real worries about Ricky's chin. Even when he went into it, you felt pretty safe he could handle some big punches.

He definatley took rounds against Mayweather, he would have done the same in the UK fight. I think he could have lasted longer and could have wobbled Floyd.

One thing is for sure, it wouldn't have been an easy fight for Floyd at all. He would have known he had been in a fight.

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Floyd fights smarter than Kostya did as a pro.

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Originally Posted by the_sacred_chilli

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

A referee that forgot the rules that night - hang on a minute are we talking about the night in Manchester or the night in Vegas, which ref Vann or Cortez ? Cortez without a doubt was the worst out of the two of them on the respective nights. I didnt realise the forearm smash and ducking below your opponents waistline was valid in Vegas, or did they just change the rules for that one fight ?

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Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.

seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.

would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK

SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.

Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!

ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)

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Nah, not bitter at all mate. In Boxing you have rules, without rules you have chaos, with chaos comes disorder. The referee that night allowed for disorder and forgot the rules of boxing. Tszyu lost, big deal his time was up, injuries and age had taken it's toll. He had a good career, he took Hatton's career with him that night too!

To be honest, although I don't want to take anything away from Hatton that night, had that been the Tszyu that fought Judah I think Hatton would have been sparked out. Tszyu was almost 36 and getting too old for a relatively small guy in this tough sport. Had that been PBF that night I think he would have pot shotted Hatton to a UD. I think Hatton lost a lot of his punch resistance against Tszyu and up until that fight his chin was quite good really but his style was always going to lead him to take hard shots.

Mayweather was the first to exploit Hatton's weakening chin and he showed other fighters that when Hatton leaps in with the left hook he leaves himself vulnerable to the KO these days.

[quote=BIG H;816911]Referee -Ray Hatton

3 Judges scoring the fight from Ringside:

Carol Hatton
Matthew Hatton
Grandpa Hatton

Venue - A park on Hattersley Council Estste, Hyde, Greater Manchester


Result - still the same ;D

You are wrong, Ray Hatton would have disqualified Mayweather for hitting Hatton as he was being knocked down.

In a strange way even though Hatton was undoubtedly at his very best in the ring with Tszyu, he was far more reckless and I think Mayweather is more apt to capitalize on those tendencies then Tszyu was.

Wow, I'm amazed at the number of people that think Hatton/Tszyu was actually a boxing match. Floyd wouldn't fight Hatton in England for that exact reason. Hatton won a wrestling match. That's all. I'm just sorry that it ended the career of a proud, great fighter like Tszyu. Don't get me wrong, Hatton is a likable chap with a loyal fan base, but in a game like boxing, he doesn't compare to many other 'world-class' fighters. I hope he fights Cotto next as Cotto needs a fairly easy fight to boost his confidence again.

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

Clutching at straws more than Tszyu was his groin with that one! I refer to Whitaker V Rivera 1996, when Rivera lands his first low blow in round 6 referee Frank Santore has no hesitation in deducting a point, if Tszyu V Hatton was in Las Vegas then Hatton gets DQ'd. Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in Vegas and not even that British referee could have saved him. I had it a shut out up until the KO.

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dont be so bitter dude! tszyu took the loss with absolute dignity, his whining aussie fans have never shut up about it since. and you call us whinging poms.

seriously ricky hatton is not overrated. nobody in their right mind thinks he was the greatest fighter ever, he fought the best and he came up short. BUT he was a loveable chap and he had a massive fan base and everybody wanted him to do well.

would he have been better that night vs pbf. YES, clearly.
1. He had a ref that allowed him to fight inside (wrong or right is a different matter)
2. He had been in significantly less battles
3. He had bloated and lost the weight less times
4. It was at the weight he performed best at 140lb
5. He was younger
6. The preacher (his trainer) was younger, and didn't need pain kiiling injections in his hands
7. It was at home in the UK

SO, wd it have suited him better, yes, would he have won probably not. As with the fight in vegas he would have had a punchers chance, but pbf has still got to be favourite.

Now tell me I am a fanboy/nuthugger!

ps (I am a massive ricky hatton fan)

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You are trippin, 90,% of Tszyus fans took it on the chin like he did. Some made excuses but we all know what I said above is true.Ricky did a great job on him, the only way he could of done the job.(And Im a big Tszyu fan).

The whinging pom thing started in Australia very early on mainly because of the weather out here and many people fresh off the ship in the wrong season thought they had stepped off into hell and didnt shut up about how good it was at home.

The Mediterraneans that came here off the same ships were used to such beatings off the sun already and just got out there and dug the fields made a fortune and called it home, so unfortunatley us poms that migrated out here early got a bad rap and it stuck.

They thought we were dirty pigs too, cause we only knew to have a bath once a week and knew no different until a week of wicked weather hit even then some didnt learn fast enough.

Cause out here you have to shower it off once a day minimum in between swimming with the sharks and drinking very cold piss (beer) wearing a large hat and keeping your mouth shut to conserve moisture and keep the flies out, so you see winging doesnt suit the climate or the local toleraters tolerance levels.

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guess the third man must be part of that 10pct then.....

no wonder the brits getting off the boat used to miss home, most of them were prisoners!

Does anyone know if Tszyu had a rematch clause in his contract? It would seem strange for a top fighter to fight a relatively unknown fighter without this.