Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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miron_lang
If this is true. Floyd and Pac's last and future opponent would look like this.
Floyd :
Last fight : Juan Manuel Marquez @144 (Previous fight was 135)
upcoming : Nate Campbell @??? (Previous fight was 140)
Pac :
Last fight : Miguel Cotto @145 (Previous fight was 147)
upcoming : Joshua Clottey (Previous fight was 147)
Now tell me how do you rate floyd and pac's opponents.
You want FACTS? Here you go...
I am a Pacquiao fan and dislike Mayweather with all my heart...
At the end of the day their fight is not being fought due to Pacquiao not adhereing to drug tests that Mayweather, himslef, will submit to.
...as I have stated in prior threads...
When athletes reach heights higher then has been achieved they are held at higher standards...
Pacquiao should have been flattered that his accomplishments are so mind boggling that people think he must be juicing... and then dispelled them with a drug test.
He did not.
So fact is that nomatter where you go with your argument, Pacquiao walked away from the biggest fight in recent history and possibly the highest grossing because of drug testing.
Regardless of whether he's innocnet or not, he's made his bed and all his prior and future accomplishments will be questioned...
FACT.
...so at this point it doesn't even matter who he fights... Go figure it's a Top Rank promoted fighter, though
Bro im talking about their level of competitions not the failed negotiation.
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
If this is true. Floyd and Pac's last and future opponent would look like this.
Floyd :
Last fight : Juan Manuel Marquez @144 (Previous fight was 135)
upcoming : Nate Campbell @??? (Previous fight was 140)
Pac :
Last fight : Miguel Cotto @145 (Previous fight was 147)
upcoming : Joshua Clottey (Previous fight was 147)
Now tell me how do you rate floyd and pac's opponents.
You want FACTS? Here you go...
I am a Pacquiao fan and dislike Mayweather with all my heart...
At the end of the day their fight is not being fought due to Pacquiao not adhereing to drug tests that Mayweather, himslef, will submit to.
...as I have stated in prior threads...
When athletes reach heights higher then has been achieved they are held at higher standards...
Pacquiao should have been flattered that his accomplishments are so mind boggling that people think he must be juicing... and then dispelled them with a drug test.
He did not.
So fact is that nomatter where you go with your argument, Pacquiao walked away from the biggest fight in recent history and possibly the highest grossing because of drug testing.
Regardless of whether he's innocnet or not, he's made his bed and all his prior and future accomplishments will be questioned...
FACT.
...so at this point it doesn't even matter who he fights... Go figure it's a Top Rank promoted fighter, though
Bro im talking about their level of competitions not the failed negotiation.
You are just talking about "imaginations", which is what you were condemning everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint for.
But Campbell is a rumor, not a fact, so how can we judge the facts when we don't know who Mayweather is fighting?
Nate Campbell: "There's been some reports in the media that me fighting Floyd is a done deal. That is just not true. The truth is the only cat who knows who Floyd is gonna fight next is Floyd himself." - 1/12/10
Nate Campbell's Statement on Fighting Floyd Mayweather - Boxing News
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
You want FACTS? Here you go...
I am a Pacquiao fan and dislike Mayweather with all my heart...
At the end of the day their fight is not being fought due to Pacquiao not adhereing to drug tests that Mayweather, himslef, will submit to.
...as I have stated in prior threads...
When athletes reach heights higher then has been achieved they are held at higher standards...
Pacquiao should have been flattered that his accomplishments are so mind boggling that people think he must be juicing... and then dispelled them with a drug test.
He did not.
So fact is that nomatter where you go with your argument, Pacquiao walked away from the biggest fight in recent history and possibly the highest grossing because of drug testing.
Regardless of whether he's innocnet or not, he's made his bed and all his prior and future accomplishments will be questioned...
FACT.
...so at this point it doesn't even matter who he fights... Go figure it's a Top Rank promoted fighter, though
Bro im talking about their level of competitions not the failed negotiation.
You are just talking about "imaginations", which is what you were condemning everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint for.
But Campbell is a rumor, not a fact, so how can we judge the facts when we don't know who Mayweather is fighting?
Nate Campbell: "There's been some reports in the media that me fighting Floyd is a done deal. That is just not true. The truth is the only cat who knows who Floyd is gonna fight next is Floyd himself." - 1/12/10
Nate Campbell's Statement on Fighting Floyd Mayweather - Boxing News
I see that's the way you look at it.
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
Bro im talking about their level of competitions not the failed negotiation.
You are just talking about "imaginations", which is what you were condemning everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint for.
But Campbell is a rumor, not a fact, so how can we judge the facts when we don't know who Mayweather is fighting?
Nate Campbell: "There's been some reports in the media that me fighting Floyd is a done deal. That is just not true. The truth is the only cat who knows who Floyd is gonna fight next is Floyd himself." - 1/12/10
Nate Campbell's Statement on Fighting Floyd Mayweather - Boxing News
I see that's the way you look at it.
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
Poster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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Rantcatrat
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eagle
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cnote111
Lets assume PBF is fighting Nate Campbell for the threads sake.... Humor me..
The reason Manny is fighting 147 lb fighters is because that is where the big fights are at right now... You won't see him hit anything under 140lb ever again IMO. It would be logical to think ROACH wants his opponents to come down a bit to try and level the playing field "size" wise because pac is only 5'6'... By getting his opponents to come down in weight is the best way to allow Pacs power to penetrate and hurt the already larger frame. Do i necessarily agree with the catchweights and the demands to have his opponents come down, NO - However, if they want PAC and the payday..Well, lose some weight...
I do think the Clotty fight is at 147 though.. So the argument is moot.
Mayweather on the otherhand is forcing his opponents to come up in weight...
WHY YOU ASK???
Its all about speed. PBF knows his opponents won't be able to carry their speed up to 147, and that is PBF's greatest asset. IE. why he doesn't want to fight PAC. You can say all day PAC is scared, but PBF knew his steriod tactics were going to ruin this fight. In addition to that, PBF won't be asking anyone else to take blood tests.. If he didn't ask PAC to take this tests just like everyone else WON"T ask Pac to take these tests, then the fight would still be happening.
:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.
This is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it,
but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
Yes exactly, he wanted a clean opponent, Manny chose to run away because he couldnt cheat again.
I think we should all point our fingers at anyone still defending a boxer that wants to cheat and laugh heartily:LOLATYOU:
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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ElTerribleMorales
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miron_lang
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killersheep
You are just talking about "imaginations", which is what you were condemning everyone that doesn't share your viewpoint for.
But Campbell is a rumor, not a fact, so how can we judge the facts when we don't know who Mayweather is fighting?
Nate Campbell: "There's been some reports in the media that me fighting Floyd is a done deal. That is just not true. The truth is the only cat who knows who Floyd is gonna fight next is Floyd himself." - 1/12/10
Nate Campbell's Statement on Fighting Floyd Mayweather - Boxing News
I see that's the way you look at it.
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
Poster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?
Poster A: Because he's not killing himself to make weight :) He walks at 150 to 154 lbs. 140 to 147 is his best fighting weight.
ROCKED? ok...They are much GREATER in terms of skills compared to Cotto. and at that state he needed to drain to 130 a day before the fight w/c he didnt have to againts Cotto.
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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miron_lang
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
I see that's the way you look at it.
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
Poster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?
Poster A: Because he's not killing himself to make weight :) He walks at 150 to 154 lbs. 140 to 147 is his best fighting weight.
ROCKED? ok...They are much GREATER in terms of skills compared to Cotto. and at that state he needed to drain to 130 a day before the fight w/c he didnt have to againts Cotto.
In addition to that...
Pac's previous "off-balance-care-free" style allowed him to get caught with punches he did not see. However, with Cotto he put himself in a defensive state seeing everything that came in.. None of them hit him on the button besides the jabs... Last time i checked pac has never been wobbled by a jab...if any fight at that...
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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ross
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Rantcatrat
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eagle
:o What a freakin PACTARD. After all the lies, shady behaviour and stupid demands from Pac and his team, you still blame Floyd for the fight not happening. $10,000,000 per pound, 8 ounce gloves etc, then when Floyd throws back a counter demand of blood tests Pac runs off like a baby girl. As negotiations finished Floyd gave up 14 days of testing before the fight yet Manny still wouldnt agree. If thats not ducking a fight, or atleast a near on admission your taking drugs nothing is.
This is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it,
but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.
It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.
Yes exactly, he wanted a clean opponent, Manny chose to run away because he couldnt cheat again.
I think we should all point our fingers at anyone still defending a boxer that wants to cheat and laugh heartily:LOLATYOU:
I don't know what is more sad:
1. People with the "Guilty until proven innocent" mentality.
2. Or the fact that there are plenty of unbiased commentators viewing and speculating both sides of the spectrum, but yet you are so convinced of guilt and that Pac is a cheat...
I pray you never hit a jury pool...
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
I see that's the way you look at it.
But the imaginations im talking about are the accusations being thrown around as if they are true or facts.
e.g
Poster A: Pac shown that he can take a good punch from a welter in the cotto fight.
Poster B: Pac was able to do that because of steroids and you're a moron if you dont believe that
Poster C: Why the fuck was Pac rocked by significantly smaller fighters like Larios, Morales, and Marquez, yet he could "handle" Cotto's punches at 145, but he claims that he's "too small" to fight at the welterweight limit?
Poster A: Because he's not killing himself to make weight :) He walks at 150 to 154 lbs. 140 to 147 is his best fighting weight.
ROCKED? ok...They are much GREATER in terms of skills compared to Cotto. and at that state he needed to drain to 130 a day before the fight w/c he didnt have to againts Cotto.
Pacquiao never had probs making 130, and even at 130 he was the bigger guy against Larios who was coming off a loss against Vazquez, two divisions south
and yea he was rocked plenty of times against all three
he walks around at 150 to 154 lbs? so what's the point of his bullshit demands for catchweights? why bring Cotto down to 145?, especially when you say he's best at 140-147
IMO Cotto is technically superior to Larios, has better composure than Morales, and is stronger than Marquez
everything isn't so black and white when it comes to Pacquiao, especially with the PED issue now, his entire career is basically grey, meaning no one really knows if he did accomplished anything or if it's all thanks to steroids
oh and the Pacquiao that Larios fought was already the "new and improved" Pacquiao, as you nuthuggers fans like to call him :rolleyes:
Re: Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?
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ElTerribleMorales
Pacquiao never had probs making 130, and even at 130 he was the bigger guy against Larios who was coming off a loss against Vazquez, two divisions south
Larios Fought at 130 ahead of manny Pacquiao. Both of them were 122 at the same time for a long period. Yes he just lost to Izzy but with regards to size. Larios looked even bigger than Pac.
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ElTerribleMorales
and yea he was rocked plenty of times against all three
besides having a better defense now. The fact is he handled himself and went on to win regardless
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ElTerribleMorales
he walks around at 150 to 154 lbs? so what's the point of his bullshit demands for catchweights? why bring Cotto down to 145?, especially when you say he's best at 140-147
Just over a year before. Miguel Cotto is fighting in a division 3 levels north. And is actually the bigger man wherever you look at it. Pac was 142 and 138 in his last 2 fights. Cotto was 147 and 146. 145 actually is favorable to Cotto if you look at it from a neutral perspective.
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ElTerribleMorales
IMO Cotto is technically superior to Larios, has better composure than Morales, and is stronger than Marquez
I agree. But the pacquio that fought the Featherweights doesnt have the Laser accurate right hook. Improved footwork and needs to squeeze to 130 a day before the fight
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ElTerribleMorales
everything isn't so black and white when it comes to Pacquiao, especially with the PED issue now, his entire career is basically grey, meaning no one really knows if he did accomplished anything or if it's all thanks to steroids
I agree somewhat. But he's no different than Muhammad Ali, SRR, SRL, Duran, Armstrong etc, etc we will never know if these legends cheated or not.
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ElTerribleMorales
oh and the Pacquiao that Larios fought was already the "new and improved" Pacquiao, as you nuthuggers fans like to call him :rolleyes:
I dont think i ever said that. He's still a bit green prior to 135. The Diaz fight is the start of Pac's technical prime IMO.
