The definitive Mayweather/Pac article

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Originally Posted by erik_corrales

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by erik_corrales

to save the reputation(selling point?) he has left. he has some crusaders now doesn't he? hell, he even got some pactards to switch to the other side. very effective in my opinion.

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That's conspiracy theory what you're saying right there.

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and your point is? come on, this is boxing, the business.

all i'm saying is that's how it appears to be right now.

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Really? It appears to you, that Mayweather would throw away most money he could make in a single event in his life, so that he could keep up his reputation to make WAAAYYY less money fighting other people?

Yeah Killersheep - he couldn't realistically ignore Pac after the way he destroyed Cotto.


Now, Mayweather has played this so well that he gets to avoid Pac with only half the world thinking he's at fault. Expertly played Mr Mayweather.


But what gets me is how so many people who are inside boxing - smart people like Bernstein, Hauser and Rafael (people with more insight into the inner workings of the game than you or I have) can think something is rotten here yet you completely disregard it.


I don't know what's going on, or what goes on inside Mayweathers head. But I've enjoyed boxing for 25 years without really worrying about drugs. Now thanks to Floyd, I'll look at every fight I've enjoyed in my life and wonder if someone was injecting HGH up their arse whilst in training, AND I get to miss out on the one fight I (and everyone else) is dying to see.

For that, I'm pissed off.

Boxing's drug testing procedures were FINE FOR EVERYBODY until a few fucking weeks ago. Nobody gave a shit.

Now if what Floyd has done cleans up the sport of boxing, then great. I just wish he could have waited til after March 13 before he did it.

Well here's the thing, people that are on FLoyd's side keeps on bringing up Shane Mosley and how he passed the drug tests with ease and therefore the boxing drug tests today are so useless. But isn't Mosley the exception and not the norm? What about Vargas? What about Golota? What about Botha? What about Whitaker? What about Jones Jr? What about JCC Jr? And the lists of boxers caught with PEDs or recreational drugs are long. Is the system perfect? No, but it's not as useless and incompetent as some people are making it seem.

And btw what happened with the emails that Pacquiao tested dirty and tried to kept it a secret? People here and the media were saying that these were facts. No those were not facts but hearsay rumors. I'm still waiting on the emails. And then you have Michael Moorer who supposedly told Team Floyd that Pac was using but then went on record and say not true.

I was really hard on Pacquiao for awhile for not submitting to the tests, but where is the evidence that he's on something special?

I don't want bullshit hearsay rumors and innuendos but hardcore evidence and facts. Can anyone here provide them? Again what happened to the emails?

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Well here's the thing, people that are on FLoyd's side keeps on bringing up Shane Mosley and how he passed the drug tests with ease and therefore the boxing drug tests today are so useless. But isn't Mosley the exception and not the norm? What about Vargas? What about Golota? What about Botha? What about Whitaker? What about Jones Jr? What about JCC Jr? And the lists of boxers caught with PEDs or recreational drugs are long. Is the system perfect? No, but it's not as useless and incompetent as some people are making it seem.

And btw what happened with the emails that Pacquiao tested dirty and tried to kept it a secret? People here and the media were saying that these were facts. No those were not facts but hearsay rumors. I'm still waiting on the emails. And then you have Michael Moorer who supposedly told Team Floyd that Pac was using but then went on record and say not true.

I was really hard on Pacquiao for awhile for not submitting to the tests, but where is the evidence that he's on something special?

I don't want bullshit hearsay rumors and innuendos but hardcore evidence and facts. Can anyone here provide them? Again what happened to the emails?

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Those issues were made to demolish Pac. Just for them to have something to say that they have a proof.:-\

I understand what Grieg is saying. I think it's quite telling that so many people involved with boxing blame Mayweather. It seems as though widespread drug use is so common/known that they are surprised Mayweather's mob even brought it up - hence Floyd didn't want the fight.

Shows just how polluted the boxing business is.

I understand what Grieg is saying. I think it's quite telling that so many people involved with boxing blame Mayweather. It seems as though widespread drug use is so common/known that they are surprised Mayweather's mob even brought it up - hence Floyd didn't want the fight.

Shows just how polluted the boxing business is.

Anyone who thinks Floyd is scared of fighting Manny Pacquiao for 40 million is a retard.

Floyd was calling out Oscar DelaHoya at 154 back when he was a 130lb'er and Larry Merchant was laughing his ass off at the thought.

Floyd is scared of one thing - Money (or lack there of)

Bunch of conspiracy theorists :rolleyes: What happens if the Mosley fight comes off? Mayweather was scared of Pac but not Mosley which is a much harder fight for him?

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Anyone who thinks Floyd is scared of fighting Manny Pacquiao for 40 million is a retard.

Floyd was calling out Oscar DelaHoya at 154 back when he was a 130lb'er and Larry Merchant was laughing his ass off at the thought.

Floyd is scared of one thing - Money (or lack there of)

Bunch of conspiracy theorists :rolleyes: What happens if the Mosley fight comes off? Mayweather was scared of Pac but not Mosley which is a much harder fight for him?

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Mosley will be too old, not the same fighter he was, just looking for one last big payday etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Mosley will be too old, not the same fighter he was, just looking for one last big payday etc. etc.

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pushed into a corner, etc etc;D

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Anyone who thinks Floyd is scared of fighting Manny Pacquiao for 40 million is a retard.

Floyd was calling out Oscar DelaHoya at 154 back when he was a 130lb'er and Larry Merchant was laughing his ass off at the thought.

Floyd is scared of one thing - Money (or lack there of)

Bunch of conspiracy theorists :rolleyes: What happens if the Mosley fight comes off? Mayweather was scared of Pac but not Mosley which is a much harder fight for him?

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HA HA HA!

The Mosley that was getting outboxed by Mayorga? Or the Mosley that had a punching bag with no defense to hit in Margarito?

If Cotto could outbox Mosley, then you are right...Floyd doesn't have a chance ;D


The one risk Mosley brings to the fight is he still have one-punch KO power. Yeah he looked great against the polar-opposite style of Mayweather in Margarito, but Mosley will be playing a completely different game against floyd.


Pacquiao is/would have been a much harder fight for Mayweather. No ifs and buts about it

I disagree with the slant that Mayeather didi not want the fight. It is a conjecture that is based on a complete transformation of logic. The condition for the fight to happen was for both fighters to subject themselves to random testing. It was Manny who rejected the condition, not PBF. So leaping over Manny's rejection of that condition in order to rationalize the obvious hatred many have for PBF might be sound plausible in the inner ear or mind, but it is ludicrous.

And now what will the naysayers come up with since Mosely has agreed to the very conditions that Manny rejected. I like to call a spade a spade. There is visceral hatred among some boxing fans for PBF because he is not supplicant. It is no coincidence that the fighters these people like are those who are supplicant, are not assertive, and because of that provide a level of psychological comfort they do not find with personalities like Muhammed Ali, PBF, Jack Johnson ets. It walks and quacks like a duck, this is no swan.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Anyone who thinks Floyd is scared of fighting Manny Pacquiao for 40 million is a retard.

Floyd was calling out Oscar DelaHoya at 154 back when he was a 130lb'er and Larry Merchant was laughing his ass off at the thought.

Floyd is scared of one thing - Money (or lack there of)

Bunch of conspiracy theorists :rolleyes: What happens if the Mosley fight comes off? Mayweather was scared of Pac but not Mosley which is a much harder fight for him?

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Well... that's pretty lame ass argument! Floyd did even know what a Million dollars looked like back then and Oscar was raking in the stuff. Who wasn't calling out Oscar? Same as who isn't calling out Pacquiao? Besides that Mayweather had a different outlook on boxing. His statement today is "legacy don't pay the bills" well if you take him at his word then why insist on the additional testing? when all he had to do was sign and be done with it so he could count another $100 Million dollars on youtube.

So, If he wasn't afraid to make the fight, what do you call it?

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Well here's the thing, people that are on FLoyd's side keeps on bringing up Shane Mosley and how he passed the drug tests with ease and therefore the boxing drug tests today are so useless. But isn't Mosley the exception and not the norm? What about Vargas? What about Golota? What about Botha? What about Whitaker? What about Jones Jr? What about JCC Jr? And the lists of boxers caught with PEDs or recreational drugs are long. Is the system perfect? No, but it's not as useless and incompetent as some people are making it seem.

And btw what happened with the emails that Pacquiao tested dirty and tried to kept it a secret? People here and the media were saying that these were facts. No those were not facts but hearsay rumors. I'm still waiting on the emails. And then you have Michael Moorer who supposedly told Team Floyd that Pac was using but then went on record and say not true.

I was really hard on Pacquiao for awhile for not submitting to the tests, but where is the evidence that he's on something special?

I don't want bullshit hearsay rumors and innuendos but hardcore evidence and facts. Can anyone here provide them? Again what happened to the emails?

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If someone won't take the test, how are you meant to prove they are cheating? Everyone agree that PED's are probably a problem in boxing. Where better to change the standard than in the biggest fight in history?
It is precisely because PBF is facing "a very live, very dangerous opponent" that he is demanding more stringent testing. What is wrong with that.
If you were going into this fight with your entire reputation and legacy on the line against someone you thought may be on PED's, you wouldn't want to use the test that would prevent him from using, or would you just go i there anyway?
As for the idea that Manny doesn't want to give him the upper hand! If I was going into a fight and my opponent said that I was so good that the only explanation was that I was on PEDs, that would be a huge boost to my confidence. I get the advantage by saying I'll test anytime any where, unless I was............
Hell I could have won the Nobel prize in Maths but I just didn't want to go that way. Because I didn't, you can't prove that I couldn't have.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Well here's the thing, people that are on FLoyd's side keeps on bringing up Shane Mosley and how he passed the drug tests with ease and therefore the boxing drug tests today are so useless. But isn't Mosley the exception and not the norm? What about Vargas? What about Golota? What about Botha? What about Whitaker? What about Jones Jr? What about JCC Jr? And the lists of boxers caught with PEDs or recreational drugs are long. Is the system perfect? No, but it's not as useless and incompetent as some people are making it seem.

And btw what happened with the emails that Pacquiao tested dirty and tried to kept it a secret? People here and the media were saying that these were facts. No those were not facts but hearsay rumors. I'm still waiting on the emails. And then you have Michael Moorer who supposedly told Team Floyd that Pac was using but then went on record and say not true.

I was really hard on Pacquiao for awhile for not submitting to the tests, but where is the evidence that he's on something special?

I don't want bullshit hearsay rumors and innuendos but hardcore evidence and facts. Can anyone here provide them? Again what happened to the emails?

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Those issues were made to demolish Pac. Just for them to have something to say that they have a proof.:-\

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And the proof Pac is not on PEDs is............
Oh thats right he passed all the other tests that numerous experts have said are a joke. The whole saga could have been bi-passed and PBF left looked stupid if Manny just said fine. But instead we had a whole range of constantly changing reasons for why he can't.
I'm fully behind the legal system of innocent until proven guilty and that is the only way that it can work, but I'm not naive/ stupid enough to believe that everyone that is found not guilty is innocent.

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Originally Posted by sanj16

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Well here's the thing, people that are on FLoyd's side keeps on bringing up Shane Mosley and how he passed the drug tests with ease and therefore the boxing drug tests today are so useless. But isn't Mosley the exception and not the norm? What about Vargas? What about Golota? What about Botha? What about Whitaker? What about Jones Jr? What about JCC Jr? And the lists of boxers caught with PEDs or recreational drugs are long. Is the system perfect? No, but it's not as useless and incompetent as some people are making it seem.

And btw what happened with the emails that Pacquiao tested dirty and tried to kept it a secret? People here and the media were saying that these were facts. No those were not facts but hearsay rumors. I'm still waiting on the emails. And then you have Michael Moorer who supposedly told Team Floyd that Pac was using but then went on record and say not true.

I was really hard on Pacquiao for awhile for not submitting to the tests, but where is the evidence that he's on something special?

I don't want bullshit hearsay rumors and innuendos but hardcore evidence and facts. Can anyone here provide them? Again what happened to the emails?

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If someone won't take the test, how are you meant to prove they are cheating? Everyone agree that PED's are probably a problem in boxing. Where better to change the standard than in the biggest fight in history?
It is precisely because PBF is facing "a very live, very dangerous opponent" that he is demanding more stringent testing. What is wrong with that.
If you were going into this fight with your entire reputation and legacy on the line against someone you thought may be on PED's, you wouldn't want to use the test that would prevent him from using, or would you just go i there anyway?
As for the idea that Manny doesn't want to give him the upper hand! If I was going into a fight and my opponent said that I was so good that the only explanation was that I was on PEDs, that would be a huge boost to my confidence. I get the advantage by saying I'll test anytime any where, unless I was............
Hell I could have won the Nobel prize in Maths but I just didn't want to go that way. Because I didn't, you can't prove that I couldn't have.

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Sorry the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. I can say that you like to touch little kids like Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter and that if you don't take this pedophile test then you are guilty is not proof especially if you weren't suspected of it before.;D

BTW I'm still waiting for emails that said Pacquiao tested dirty and wanted to cover it up. I'm still waiting for these so called hard evidence. So where is it? It's been practically a month already. Can you answer me?

For a while I thought maybe the guy is on something, then it dawn on me that most of this shit was hearsay rumors like the emails and Floyds dad starting the rumors because his fighter Hatton got sparked out in 2 rounds.