Any former Mayorga fans out there?

Oh and by the way, IMO if Mayorga vs Vargas had taken place a few years before it did Vargas almost probably wins it.

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Oh and by the way, IMO if Mayorga vs Vargas had taken place a few years before it did Vargas almost probably wins it.

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Well thats definitive then;D

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I think Mayorga is brilliant to watch, he always let himself down in his biggest fights by not training, hed start off strong landing good shots and winning rounds against Trindidad, De La Hoya and Mosley and then tire after 4 rounds.

Forrest was coming off of beating Mosley Twice and was well rated pound for pound, Forrest also showed he had a good dig against Mosley but couldnt put a dent in Mayorga even when given free shots;D;D

He had Trinidad on his ass but tired, he took everything he had to offer on the chin and got stopped to the body.

Very exciting fighter though, I think if he hadnt been flumuxed by Spinks who some people think he beat anyway we could have seen him in some very good fights while he still gave a shiit and trained, I think he would have waded through Mosley back then and possibly Tito as well.

Oscar suprised me with his power against Mayorga, he dropped him clean with a left hook, Mayorga really wasnt that hurt though he got up and carried on for a few more rounds, he was more knackered by the end than beat up.

Mosley said in his build up to Mayorga that Oscar told him "Mayorga has very heavy hands"

As long as he learns some groundwork and take down defence he will be fun to watch in mma as well, although his first fight is supposed to be against Din Thomas whos very good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-BFScdlnvQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP22p51P0Vk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTRBs8M3_c&NR=1

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Some people think Ricardo Mayorga beat Cory Spinks ? that fight wasn't even close Cory Spinks totally outboxed Ricardo Mayorga and won by atleast 4 rounds.

The only controversy was that Cory Spinks went to the canvas like 5 times, but none of those were knockdowns, maybe 1 was sort of a knockdown but i don't know about that, but even if you scored it. Cory Spinks was still a clear winner.

My favorite fight of Ricardo Mayorga's was his 2nd fight with Vernon Forrest, that was a great battle in the 2nd half of the fight, and it was very competitive i don't really know who won that fight, i thought it was a draw.

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Mayorga EASILY beat Spinks. Still to this day my Father refers to that is the greatest robbery in boxing history. And so do I. Mayorga won nearly every round, Spinks RAN and NEVER landed anything significant on Mayorga. Mayorga was robbed of at least 2 knockdowns he scored. It was a joke and it sent Mayorga's career from undisputed welterweight champion into a "special attraction".

Anyone who knows anything about how to score a boxing match knows Mayorga beat Spinks. It was an incredibly easy fight to score with Mayorga being the only one who came to fight and Spinks came to run and slap and try and eek out rounds and not engage with Mayorga at all.

Spinks would go on to get more gift decisions like those against Judah the first fight and Karmazin. But none were nearly was blatant or bad as the one he got against Ricardo Mayorga that night.

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I think Mayorga is brilliant to watch, he always let himself down in his biggest fights by not training, hed start off strong landing good shots and winning rounds against Trindidad, De La Hoya and Mosley and then tire after 4 rounds.

Forrest was coming off of beating Mosley Twice and was well rated pound for pound, Forrest also showed he had a good dig against Mosley but couldnt put a dent in Mayorga even when given free shots;D;D

He had Trinidad on his ass but tired, he took everything he had to offer on the chin and got stopped to the body.

Very exciting fighter though, I think if he hadnt been flumuxed by Spinks who some people think he beat anyway we could have seen him in some very good fights while he still gave a shiit and trained, I think he would have waded through Mosley back then and possibly Tito as well.

Oscar suprised me with his power against Mayorga, he dropped him clean with a left hook, Mayorga really wasnt that hurt though he got up and carried on for a few more rounds, he was more knackered by the end than beat up.

Mosley said in his build up to Mayorga that Oscar told him "Mayorga has very heavy hands"

As long as he learns some groundwork and take down defence he will be fun to watch in mma as well, although his first fight is supposed to be against Din Thomas whos very good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-BFScdlnvQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP22p51P0Vk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTRBs8M3_c&NR=1

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Some people think Ricardo Mayorga beat Cory Spinks ? that fight wasn't even close Cory Spinks totally outboxed Ricardo Mayorga and won by atleast 4 rounds.

The only controversy was that Cory Spinks went to the canvas like 5 times, but none of those were knockdowns, maybe 1 was sort of a knockdown but i don't know about that, but even if you scored it. Cory Spinks was still a clear winner.

My favorite fight of Ricardo Mayorga's was his 2nd fight with Vernon Forrest, that was a great battle in the 2nd half of the fight, and it was very competitive i don't really know who won that fight, i thought it was a draw.

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Mayorga EASILY beat Spinks. Still to this day my Father refers to that is the greatest robbery in boxing history. And so do I. Mayorga won nearly every round, Spinks RAN and NEVER landed anything significant on Mayorga. Mayorga was robbed of at least 2 knockdowns he scored. It was a joke and it sent Mayorga's career from undisputed welterweight champion into a "special attraction".

Anyone who knows anything about how to score a boxing match knows Mayorga beat Spinks. It was an incredibly easy fight to score with Mayorga being the only one who came to fight and Spinks came to run and slap and try and eek out rounds and not engage with Mayorga at all.

Spinks would go on to get more gift decisions like those against Judah the first fight and Karmazin. But none were nearly was blatant or bad as the one he got against Ricardo Mayorga that night.

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One of the worst decisions in boxing history, you are kidding right ? and i know full well how to score a fight. Cory Spinks outboxed Ricardo Mayorga clearly, he made him miss mostly all night long.

He countered him effectively, and he never let Ricardo Mayorga get into the fight. He constantly kept the fight on the outside.

So what if Ricardo Mayorga was the aggressor and Cory Spinks, didn't want to engage. Was Ricardo Mayorga able to do anything about it ? no he couldn't, infact he was getting so frustrated, he hit Cory Spinks after the bell and got himself a point deducted.

All i know is that Ricardo Mayorga looked totally frustrated, and Cory Spinks was able to make it his kind of fight and he outpointed Ricardo Mayorga clearly.

Even the commentator's one of them including Chris Byrd, thought Cory Spinks was the clear winner.

The only thing i agree on is that maybe Ricardo Mayorga deserved one knockdown in the last round, but even if it would of been scored it wouldn't of made much of a difference points wise. Plus remember Cory Spinks had a 10-8 round when Ricardo Mayorga lost a point, for hitting Cory Spinks after the bell

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Oh and by the way, IMO if Mayorga vs Vargas had taken place a few years before it did Vargas almost probably wins it.

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Well thats definitive then;D

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I meant "almost certainly"

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One of the worst decisions in boxing history, you are kidding right ? and i know full well how to score a fight. Cory Spinks outboxed Ricardo Mayorga clearly, he made him miss mostly all night long.

He countered him effectively, and he never let Ricardo Mayorga get into the fight. He constantly kept the fight on the outside.

So what if Ricardo Mayorga was the aggressor and Cory Spinks, didn't want to engage. Was Ricardo Mayorga able to do anything about it ? no he couldn't, infact he was getting so frustrated, he hit Cory Spinks after the bell and got himself a point deducted.

All i know is that Ricardo Mayorga looked totally frustrated, and Cory Spinks was able to make it his kind of fight and he outpointed Ricardo Mayorga clearly.

Even the commentator's one of them including Chris Byrd, thought Cory Spinks was the clear winner.

The only thing i agree on is that maybe Ricardo Mayorga deserved one knockdown in the last round, but even if it would of been scored it wouldn't of made much of a difference points wise. Plus remember Cory Spinks had a 10-8 round when Ricardo Mayorga lost a point, for hitting Cory Spinks after the bell

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....some people just don't seem to appreciate good defense, footwork, the fundamentals of the sweet science ;)

How did "slugging it out" vs De la Hoya go?

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Some people think Ricardo Mayorga beat Cory Spinks ? that fight wasn't even close Cory Spinks totally outboxed Ricardo Mayorga and won by atleast 4 rounds.

The only controversy was that Cory Spinks went to the canvas like 5 times, but none of those were knockdowns, maybe 1 was sort of a knockdown but i don't know about that, but even if you scored it. Cory Spinks was still a clear winner.

My favorite fight of Ricardo Mayorga's was his 2nd fight with Vernon Forrest, that was a great battle in the 2nd half of the fight, and it was very competitive i don't really know who won that fight, i thought it was a draw.

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Mayorga EASILY beat Spinks. Still to this day my Father refers to that is the greatest robbery in boxing history. And so do I. Mayorga won nearly every round, Spinks RAN and NEVER landed anything significant on Mayorga. Mayorga was robbed of at least 2 knockdowns he scored. It was a joke and it sent Mayorga's career from undisputed welterweight champion into a "special attraction".

Anyone who knows anything about how to score a boxing match knows Mayorga beat Spinks. It was an incredibly easy fight to score with Mayorga being the only one who came to fight and Spinks came to run and slap and try and eek out rounds and not engage with Mayorga at all.

Spinks would go on to get more gift decisions like those against Judah the first fight and Karmazin. But none were nearly was blatant or bad as the one he got against Ricardo Mayorga that night.

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One of the worst decisions in boxing history, you are kidding right ? and i know full well how to score a fight. Cory Spinks outboxed Ricardo Mayorga clearly, he made him miss mostly all night long.

He countered him effectively, and he never let Ricardo Mayorga get into the fight. He constantly kept the fight on the outside.

So what if Ricardo Mayorga was the aggressor and Cory Spinks, didn't want to engage. Was Ricardo Mayorga able to do anything about it ? no he couldn't, infact he was getting so frustrated, he hit Cory Spinks after the bell and got himself a point deducted.

All i know is that Ricardo Mayorga looked totally frustrated, and Cory Spinks was able to make it his kind of fight and he outpointed Ricardo Mayorga clearly.

Even the commentator's one of them including Chris Byrd, thought Cory Spinks was the clear winner.

The only thing i agree on is that maybe Ricardo Mayorga deserved one knockdown in the last round, but even if it would of been scored it wouldn't of made much of a difference points wise. Plus remember Cory Spinks had a 10-8 round when Ricardo Mayorga lost a point, for hitting Cory Spinks after the bell

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I remember the commentators. It was atrocious. Of course Byrd is gonna say that. Thats how he fought! And got GIFTS against Oquendo and Golota.

Spinks was worse though. It was an outright robbery. He lost nearly every round and never hurt Mayorga or inflicted any damage what so ever.

What a great champion too huh? I mean going on to get another gift decision against a 140 lb fighter and then being knocked out by a 140 lb underachiever, Zab Judah.

What a joke.

It was much like SRL vs. Hagler, but far worse being that Sugar Ray actually engaged more, and Mayorga did not give away the first 3 or 4 rounds like Hagler.

Terrible TERRIBLE decision.

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Oh and by the way, IMO if Mayorga vs Vargas had taken place a few years before it did Vargas almost probably wins it.

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Well thats definitive then;D

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I meant "almost certainly"

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Well they fought each other at the same stage of their careers, both just tired names, Mayorga outfought him the whole way and dropped him a couple of times as well.

The Spinks fight completely ruined Mayorgas work ethic, watch the Trinidad fight, Mayorga was outworking and outboxing Trinidad till he started slowing down, even Roy Jones said the same during his comentating.

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Well thats definitive then;D

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I meant "almost certainly"

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Well they fought each other at the same stage of their careers, both just tired names, Mayorga outfought him the whole way and dropped him a couple of times as well.

The Spinks fight completely ruined Mayorgas work ethic, watch the Trinidad fight, Mayorga was outworking and outboxing Trinidad till he started slowing down, even Roy Jones said the same during his comentating.

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Yeah but Vargas was a much better fighter and boxer in his day than he was in that fight. I don't think Mayorga could have beat the Vargas that fought ODH or even the one that fought Mosley the first time.

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I meant "almost certainly"

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Well they fought each other at the same stage of their careers, both just tired names, Mayorga outfought him the whole way and dropped him a couple of times as well.

The Spinks fight completely ruined Mayorgas work ethic, watch the Trinidad fight, Mayorga was outworking and outboxing Trinidad till he started slowing down, even Roy Jones said the same during his comentating.

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Yeah but Vargas was a much better fighter and boxer in his day than he was in that fight. I don't think Mayorga could have beat the Vargas that fought ODH or even the one that fought Mosley the first time.

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I agree.

A prime Vargas would beat a prime Mayorga.

He was bigger, stronger, and a far better boxer.

Would have been a great fight though.

Much better than the sloppy but entertaining match they had at 164 lbs or whatever it was.

At that point Mayorga just wanted it more and was a little fresher.