Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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If floyd hadn't retired would the mythical title have changed hands? no. Simple.
And if cows had wings, they'd be able to fly. Floyd DID retire... and you don't hang on to a mythical title (or any other title) when you're off Dancing With the Stars or fighting Big Show. Now that he's back gracing us with his presence, he can earn the damn title back, just like anybody else would have to do. Even MORE simple.
;)
Yes and now he's back. pound for pound champ again. Glad we agree.
What part of "he can earn the damn title back" did you not understand? There's several degrees of fandom in boxing. There's the knowledgeable, objective fan... there's the obnoxious, somewhat less objective fan... and there's the blind nuthugger. By insisting Floyd can just waltz back into boxing and take something he gave up rights to a long time ago, guess what category YOU fit into?
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Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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Because he sat smartly (business wise) by and let them all destroy each other, while he pretended retirement and fought smaller guys. Won't do much for his legacy though...
Floyd's fighting smaller guys? like shane mosely? Beating mosely won't do anything for his legacy but beating Clottey would?
And if he fought pacquiao he's picking on a smaller guy again right?
Hmmm interesting...
Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..
SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo
all while floyd was doing this:
floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)
So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..
Once again it has always been SHANE'S choice not to fight Mayweather. Not the other way around Shane being 38 when he fights Floyd is on him.
And did you really just say Oscar was Out of Shape when he fought Mayweather?
Seriously?
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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JonesJrMayweather
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Hornfinger
Floyd's fighting smaller guys? like shane mosely? Beating mosely won't do anything for his legacy but beating Clottey would?
And if he fought pacquiao he's picking on a smaller guy again right?
Hmmm interesting...
Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..
SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo
all while floyd was doing this:
floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)
So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..
Once again it has always
been SHANE'S choice not to fight Mayweather. Not the other way around Shane being 38 when he fights Floyd is on him.
And did you really just say Oscar was Out of Shape when he fought Mayweather?
Seriously?
Polly can have a cracker for that recycled nonsense....
and yeah oscar wasn't in shape..he was old and fading. his optimum weight was 147...so by the the time floyd got to him he was too old to be effective at 154 and too fat to get down to 147..
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
Floyd fanboys just don't get it. Many of us boxing fans are only too willing to give Floyd his just dues. I've gone on record many times as saying that Floyd was awesome at the lower weights. His fight with Diego Corrales is probably one of his most impressive showings of all time... his victory over Zab Judah was equally as impressive (not to mention that I was cheering like crazy for Floyd).
But no... the fanboys get their panties all ruffled when I and others DARE mention that Floyd might somewhat less deserving at welterweight. How DARE we speak against their god? The guy takes a self-imposed vacation from the sport, and when he does come back... he takes on the undersized Juan Manuel Marquez. And we're supposed to bow at his feet and give him his mythical p4p title back? I don't THINK SO.
So guys... get a grip. No one is bashing Floyd 'cause we hate him. But you guys are sure making a good case for the hate. I was cheering for Mosley already. Now I'm going to root for Shane like it was Mother Theresa kicking Saddam Hussein's ass.
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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Majesty
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Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..
SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo
all while floyd was doing this:
floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)
So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..
Once again it has always
been SHANE'S choice not to fight Mayweather. Not the other way around Shane being 38 when he fights Floyd is on him.
And did you really just say Oscar was Out of Shape when he fought Mayweather?
Seriously?
Polly can have a cracker for that recycled nonsense....
and yeah oscar wasn't in shape..he was old and fading. his optimum weight was 147...so by the the time floyd got to him he was too old to be effective at 154 and too fat to get down to 147..
Oscar hadn't fought at 147 in around 5 years before he came up against Mayweather and was in great shape for that fight.
Oscar was the one whom picked the weight class, the gloves, the ring, it was his promotion.
If you think Oscar was out of shape and spent at 154 when he fought Mayweather then you're extremely reaching. Why would Oscar have been better prepared at 147 when he hadn't fought there in 5 years and had already shown he could fight at 154 effectively not to mention his last performance being a domination of Ricardo Mayorga where he dropped him violently in the first round.
Yes Oscar looked completely spent before the Mayweather fight?
Oscar only started looking bad when after that he tried to move back down to 147 and he looked absolutely crap against Steve Forbes and then fought Pacquiao who finished off what was left.
The last fight Oscar was live in was the Floyd fight where he had every advantage over Floyd like I said, ring, promotion, gloves, and weight class not to mention Oscar's title.
So if you think Oscar at 154 against Mayweather was just an out of shape shell you'll reaching greatly to take credit away from that victory.
People that don't give Mayweather enough credit are called 'haters' yet people that try to give him too much credit are called 'nuthuggers'.
In my opinion trying to insinuate that Oscar was spent and out of shape shell of himself in their 154 pound matchup is a 'hater' comment. He should get full credit for that win thats the last time we saw a live Oscar De La Hoya before he tried moving down and looked like crap. Up until that point the only time he looked bad was at 160 when he WAS out of shape against Sturm.
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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Majesty
Once again it has always been SHANE'S choice not to fight Mayweather. Not the other way around Shane being 38 when he fights Floyd is on him.
And did you really just say Oscar was Out of Shape when he fought Mayweather?
Seriously?
Polly can have a cracker for that recycled nonsense....
and yeah oscar wasn't in shape..he was old and fading. his optimum weight was 147...so by the the time floyd got to him he was too old to be effective at 154 and too fat to get down to 147..
Oscar hadn't fought at 147 in around 5 years before he came up against Mayweather and was in great shape for that fight.
Oscar was the one whom picked the weight class, the gloves, the ring, it was his promotion.
If you think Oscar was out of shape and spent at 154 when he fought Mayweather then you're extremely reaching. Why would Oscar have been better prepared at 147 when he hadn't fought there in 5 years and had already shown he could fight at 154 effectively not to mention his last performance being a domination of Ricardo Mayorga where he dropped him violently in the first round.
Yes Oscar looked completely spent before the Mayweather fight?
Oscar only started looking bad when after that he tried to move back down to 147 and he looked absolutely crap against Steve Forbes and then fought Pacquiao who finished off what was left.
The last fight Oscar was live in was the Floyd fight where he had every advantage over Floyd like I said, ring, promotion, gloves, and weight class not to mention Oscar's title.
So if you think Oscar at 154 against Mayweather was just an out of shape shell you'll reaching greatly to take credit away from that victory.
People that don't give Mayweather enough credit are called 'haters' yet people that try to give him too much credit are called 'nuthuggers'.
In my opinion trying to insinuate that Oscar was spent and out of shape shell of himself in their 154 pound matchup is a 'hater' comment. He should get full credit for that win thats the last time we saw a live Oscar De La Hoya before he tried moving down and looked like crap. Up until that point the only time he looked bad was at 160 when he WAS out of shape against Sturm.
Talking about not giving credit and reaching...Oscar looked out of shape against Sturm because he was getting his ass whooped and underestimated a bigger "lesser" opponent. Nevertheless Oscar was still fighting too high and just trying to make money at that point. Same with the fights against Mayorga ( who hadn't fought in nearly a year and was ruined by Tito) everyone knows that was just a fight set up to promote oscar as being "legit" for floyd. Which also brings me to my next point. No one blames Floyd for fighting oscar, because anyone that could make weight against oscar would cash in, but oscar was basically 1-3, (2-2) if you count the bs decision he got over Sturm, before he faced floyd. The same with the fight against Forbes it was nothing more than a bs set up fight to promote oscar to the public as being "legit" for Pacquioa because the last time he fought he lost.
Floyd gets all credit for being a very smart boxer/businessman. all credit since moving up against gatti, judah, mitchell, baldomir... but it leaves a lot of questions when there was cotto, margarito, williams, or mosley (then). Because there is no justification in fighting baldomir, and please with the he was lineal champ because according to floyd he doesn't fight for belts because they only collect dust...and that fight wasn't PPV whereas the other three surely would have been, so money certainly wasn't the reason. Isn't that clear that floyd handpicked the easiest opponent at WW that he could find?
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
Floyd Mayweather confidence is super duper high. If he wins then proceed to the fight what fans are waiting. Well, let them first settle it inside the ring with Mosley :D
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
Pac man can fight Marg, Foreman or anyone else from the Arum stable. Floyd could fight GBP stable but everyone wants to see them fight each other, should Floyd beat Shane of course.
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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And if cows had wings, they'd be able to fly. Floyd DID retire... and you don't hang on to a mythical title (or any other title) when you're off Dancing With the Stars or fighting Big Show. Now that he's back gracing us with his presence, he can earn the damn title back, just like anybody else would have to do. Even MORE simple.
;)
Yes and now he's back. pound for pound champ again. Glad we agree.
What part of "he can earn the damn title back" did you not understand? There's several degrees of fandom in boxing. There's the knowledgeable, objective fan... there's the obnoxious, somewhat less objective fan... and there's the blind nuthugger. By insisting Floyd can just waltz back into boxing and take something he gave up rights to a long time ago, guess what category YOU fit into?
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So fighting clottey makes you pound for pound but fighting shane mosely means jack shit?
Pac didn't earn it, he got it by default, so as far as I'm concerned mayweather is still the best in the sport.
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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JonesJrMayweather
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Hornfinger
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JonesJrMayweather
Because he sat smartly (business wise) by and let them all destroy each other, while he pretended retirement and fought smaller guys. Won't do much for his legacy though...
Floyd's fighting smaller guys? like shane mosely? Beating mosely won't do anything for his legacy but beating Clottey would?
And if he fought pacquiao he's picking on a smaller guy again right?
Hmmm interesting...
Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..
SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo
all while floyd was doing this:
floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)
So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..
Hold on.
Pac vs DLH are you telling me DLH was a worthy opponant that night? at least against floyd he threw some punches.
Pac vs hatton. Same as the above. Hatton was no where near what he was before the floyd fight.
Pac vs cotto Cotto has been shot scince the margarito fight
Pac vs clottey No explination needed. About as meaningful as floyd vs marquesz.
Baldomir didn't belong in the ring? despite beating judah and having the title?
No need for floyd to fight collazo, hatton beat him then floyd beat hatton and now floyd is fighting shane who also beat collazo
No need to fight margartio shane already beat him oooh and look who floyd's fighting next...
No need to fight clottey the guy is a league bellow, he's not even a contender..
Paul Williams has moved up a weight class (why ask the questions of mayweather? ask yourself why doesn't pac fight him?)
Floyd would be fighting pac but someone didn't want to take a drug test for one reason or another.
All the above in consideration Floyd is still the man.
I see what your saying about fighting those guys earlier, and of course bringing mosely's age into it. But personally I think there will always be something to knit pick at, and you can do that with any fighter or any fighters opponant.
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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Hornfinger
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JonesJrMayweather
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Hornfinger
Floyd's fighting smaller guys? like shane mosely? Beating mosely won't do anything for his legacy but beating Clottey would?
And if he fought pacquiao he's picking on a smaller guy again right?
Hmmm interesting...
Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..
SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo
all while floyd was doing this:
floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)
So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..
Hold on.
Pac vs DLH are you telling me DLH was a worthy opponant that night? at least against floyd he threw some punches.
Pac vs hatton. Same as the above. Hatton was no where near what he was before the floyd fight.
Pac vs cotto Cotto has been shot scince the margarito fight
Pac vs clottey No explination needed. About as meaningful as floyd vs marquesz.
Baldomir didn't belong in the ring? despite beating judah and having the title?
No need for floyd to fight collazo, hatton beat him then floyd beat hatton and now floyd is fighting shane who also beat collazo
No need to fight margartio shane already beat him oooh and look who floyd's fighting next...
No need to fight clottey the guy is a league bellow, he's not even a contender..
Paul Williams has moved up a weight class (why ask the questions of mayweather? ask yourself why doesn't pac fight him?)
Floyd would be fighting pac but someone didn't want to take a drug test for one reason or another.
All the above in consideration Floyd is still the man.
I see what your saying about fighting those guys earlier, and of course bringing mosely's age into it. But personally I think there will always be something to knit pick at, and you can do that with any fighter or any fighters opponant.
Dude you really have a hard on for pacman...i don't care about pacman v floyd, but since you keep mentioning him, and pointing out fighters that manny took on, you only help the argument as to why manny should be higher p4p than floyd...
They both fought hatton and oscar...except manny fought him (hatton) in own weight division 140, where many believed he would be most effective.
But nevertheless they both beat hatton and oscar so forget those two fights...
Manny at WW has beaten Cotto, Clottey, and Oscar two of them were prime in their real division.
Floyd has beaten Judah, Baldomir, then made Hatton and JMM both come up. JMM two weight classes without a tune up. Hatton was clearly not as good at 147 evidenced by the collazo fight.
Another thing is, all of those fighters were in 147 before floyd "retired"...and according to your logic there's no need to fight Shane, because Floyd beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Shane....
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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Hornfinger
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Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..
SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo
all while floyd was doing this:
floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)
So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..
Hold on.
Pac vs DLH are you telling me DLH was a worthy opponant that night? at least against floyd he threw some punches.
Pac vs hatton. Same as the above. Hatton was no where near what he was before the floyd fight.
Pac vs cotto Cotto has been shot scince the margarito fight
Pac vs clottey No explination needed. About as meaningful as floyd vs marquesz.
Baldomir didn't belong in the ring? despite beating judah and having the title?
No need for floyd to fight collazo, hatton beat him then floyd beat hatton and now floyd is fighting shane who also beat collazo
No need to fight margartio shane already beat him oooh and look who floyd's fighting next...
No need to fight clottey the guy is a league bellow, he's not even a contender..
Paul Williams has moved up a weight class (why ask the questions of mayweather? ask yourself why doesn't pac fight him?)
Floyd would be fighting pac but someone didn't want to take a drug test for one reason or another.
All the above in consideration Floyd is still the man.
I see what your saying about fighting those guys earlier, and of course bringing mosely's age into it. But personally I think there will always be something to knit pick at, and you can do that with any fighter or any fighters opponant.
Dude you really have a hard on for pacman...i don't care about pacman v floyd, but since you keep mentioning him, and pointing out fighters that manny took on, you only help the argument as to why manny should be higher p4p than floyd...
They both fought hatton and oscar...except manny fought him (hatton) in own weight division 140, where many believed he would be most effective.
But nevertheless they both beat hatton and oscar so forget those two fights...
Manny at WW has beaten Cotto, Clottey, and Oscar two of them were prime in their real division.
Floyd has beaten Judah, Baldomir, then made Hatton and JMM both come up. JMM two weight classes without a tune up. Hatton was clearly not as good at 147 evidenced by the collazo fight.
Another thing is, all of those fighters were in 147 before floyd "retired"...and according to your logic there's no need to fight Shane, because Floyd beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Shane....
If i had a hard on for pacman I'd be saying he was the pound for pound best. I'm not, I'm saying he's not what he's cracked up to be at all. My penis is quite flacid, I can't get excited about pac at the mo...
Hold on they didn't beat the same hatton and the same DLH.
Next your gonna tell me that hatton beat the same vince philips that beat tzsyu, or Khan beat the same barrera that beat morales and hamid...
It was marquez choice to come up two weight classes without tune up.
It was Floyd's choice to fight DLH at 154. so was floyd at an obvious disadvantage to DLH at 154?
Manny beat a shot cotto at 147, cotto who's now gone up a class because of weight making difficulties (and i'm fairly certain foreman is gonna shit on him after 6 rounds). DLH at 147 his best weight class? yeah maybe 10 years ago. And of course he beat clottey at 147. Yes that amzing world beating hall of famer josh clottey! It's a great joke.
Let's face it Shane is pretty much the best WW apart from floyd and manny, and look which one has stepped up to face him.
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Hold on.
Pac vs DLH are you telling me DLH was a worthy opponant that night? at least against floyd he threw some punches.
Pac vs hatton. Same as the above. Hatton was no where near what he was before the floyd fight.
Pac vs cotto Cotto has been shot scince the margarito fight
Pac vs clottey No explination needed. About as meaningful as floyd vs marquesz.
Baldomir didn't belong in the ring? despite beating judah and having the title?
No need for floyd to fight collazo, hatton beat him then floyd beat hatton and now floyd is fighting shane who also beat collazo
No need to fight margartio shane already beat him oooh and look who floyd's fighting next...
No need to fight clottey the guy is a league bellow, he's not even a contender..
Paul Williams has moved up a weight class (why ask the questions of mayweather? ask yourself why doesn't pac fight him?)
Floyd would be fighting pac but someone didn't want to take a drug test for one reason or another.
All the above in consideration Floyd is still the man.
I see what your saying about fighting those guys earlier, and of course bringing mosely's age into it. But personally I think there will always be something to knit pick at, and you can do that with any fighter or any fighters opponant.
Dude you really have a hard on for pacman...i don't care about pacman v floyd, but since you keep mentioning him, and pointing out fighters that manny took on, you only help the argument as to why manny should be higher p4p than floyd...
They both fought hatton and oscar...except manny fought him (hatton) in own weight division 140, where many believed he would be most effective.
But nevertheless they both beat hatton and oscar so forget those two fights...
Manny at WW has beaten Cotto, Clottey, and Oscar two of them were prime in their real division.
Floyd has beaten Judah, Baldomir, then made Hatton and JMM both come up. JMM two weight classes without a tune up. Hatton was clearly not as good at 147 evidenced by the collazo fight.
Another thing is, all of those fighters were in 147 before floyd "retired"...and according to your logic there's no need to fight Shane, because Floyd beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Shane....
If i had a hard on for pacman I'd be saying he was the pound for pound best. I'm not, I'm saying he's not what he's cracked up to be at all. My penis is quite flacid, I can't get excited about pac at the mo...
Hold on they didn't beat the same hatton and the same DLH.
Next your gonna tell me that hatton beat the same vince philips that beat tzsyu, or Khan beat the same barrera that beat morales and hamid...
It was marquez choice to come up two weight classes without tune up.
It was Floyd's choice to fight DLH at 154. so was floyd at an obvious disadvantage to DLH at 154?
Manny beat a shot cotto at 147, cotto who's now gone up a class because of weight making difficulties (and i'm fairly certain foreman is gonna shit on him after 6 rounds). DLH at 147 his best weight class? yeah maybe 10 years ago.
And of course he beat clottey at 147. Yes that amzing world beating hall of famer josh clottey! It's a great joke.
Let's face it Shane is pretty much the best WW apart from floyd and manny, and
look which one has stepped up to face him.
1st...if cotto was so shot why did the floyd camp pick cotto to win?
2nd..Clottey may not be hof but he's a legitimate WELTERWEIGHT contender that stopped judah, something floyd couldn't do.
3rd. It's actually floyd that stepped up and finally faced someone, instead of beating up small big names.
Also you're talking about now...I was referring to before all of the top guys destroyed each other. Floyd could have beaten "maybe" all them before they even faced each other, but he instead chose the easier path (smart) and let the other guys beat each other up while he comes in fresh from sparring sessions with guys that shouldnt have been in the ring.
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
Floyd could go up to heavy weight and beat the klits and people would still find a problem with it.
Floyd will beat shane and then try to negotiate with pac who will retire and the fight won't happen, floyd will be blamed. I can see that happen.
Or
the fight will happen floyd will win and everyone will say 'yeah but pac was a little guy blah blah blah'
Floyds never been beaten in the ring. But the guy just can't win with people out of it. Can't blame him for having the attitude he has.
Re: Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...
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Hornfinger
Floyd could go up to heavy weight and beat the klits and people would still find a problem with it.
Floyd will beat shane and then try to negotiate with pac who will retire and the fight won't happen, floyd will be blamed. I can see that happen.
Or
the fight will happen floyd will win and everyone will say 'yeah but pac was a little guy blah blah blah'
Floyds never been beaten in the ring. But the guy just can't win with people out of it. Can't blame him for having the attitude he has.
That's having your head too far up his ass...everyone on here will admit floyd is p4p one or 2 dosen't matter. Everyone will acknowledge he was a serious force as a lighter fighter. But the fact remains, since becoming a PPV draw and moving up, he hasn't fought to level of challenge in which one would expect...
