Floyd already talking about a rematch with Shane...

[JonesJrMayweather]

Floyd's fighting smaller guys? like shane mosely? Beating mosely won't do anything for his legacy but beating Clottey would?

And if he fought pacquiao he's picking on a smaller guy again right?

Hmmm interesting...

Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..

SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo

all while floyd was doing this:

floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)

So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..

Hold on.

Pac vs DLH are you telling me DLH was a worthy opponant that night? at least against floyd he threw some punches.

Pac vs hatton. Same as the above. Hatton was no where near what he was before the floyd fight.

Pac vs cotto Cotto has been shot scince the margarito fight

Pac vs clottey No explination needed. About as meaningful as floyd vs marquesz.

Baldomir didn't belong in the ring? despite beating judah and having the title?

No need for floyd to fight collazo, hatton beat him then floyd beat hatton and now floyd is fighting shane who also beat collazo

No need to fight margartio shane already beat him oooh and look who floyd's fighting next...

No need to fight clottey the guy is a league bellow, he's not even a contender..

Paul Williams has moved up a weight class (why ask the questions of mayweather? ask yourself why doesn't pac fight him?)

Floyd would be fighting pac but someone didn't want to take a drug test for one reason or another.

All the above in consideration Floyd is still the man.

I see what your saying about fighting those guys earlier, and of course bringing mosely's age into it. But personally I think there will always be something to knit pick at, and you can do that with any fighter or any fighters opponant.

Dude you really have a hard on for pacman...i don't care about pacman v floyd, but since you keep mentioning him, and pointing out fighters that manny took on, you only help the argument as to why manny should be higher p4p than floyd...

They both fought hatton and oscar...except manny fought him (hatton) in own weight division 140, where many believed he would be most effective.

But nevertheless they both beat hatton and oscar so forget those two fights...

Manny at WW has beaten Cotto, Clottey, and Oscar two of them were prime in their real division.

Floyd has beaten Judah, Baldomir, then made Hatton and JMM both come up. JMM two weight classes without a tune up. Hatton was clearly not as good at 147 evidenced by the collazo fight.

Another thing is, all of those fighters were in 147 before floyd "retired"...and according to your logic there's no need to fight Shane, because Floyd beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Shane....

[Hornfinger]

Try to keep up with tense..."fought" is past participle. "Sat by" also means a passage of time has occurred. And I didn't mention pacquiao once, but it seems your head is so far up floyd's ass that everything said about him means he's not getting credit so you go into your kevin Costner bodyguard role. Point is while there's isn't probably anyone that can right now other than mosley or pac that can at WW legitimately beat him. The division is no longer as appealing as it once was because they've defeated each other WHILE floyd was playing retired or fighting smaller men.. here you go in no particular order..

SSM v Cotto
Cotto v Margo
Margo v SSM
SSm v collazo
Collazo v berto
Cotto v pacman
Clottey v cotto
Clottey v Pacman
Margo v clottey
Margo v cintron
Williams v quintana
Willams v Margo

all while floyd was doing this:

floyd v hatton (small man, that floyd only fought after collazo exposed him)
floyd v JMM (please, no explanation needed)
Floyd v Baldoblaster (not smaller but def didn't belong in the ring)
floyd v odlh (old out shape fading big name money fight, but certainly wasn't a real threat)

So yeah fighting shane is a great fight, but the fact is he is 38 years old and has been in wars, fighting floyd is win win for shane. Floyd however is in a bad situation because he could have easily fought Cotto, shane, margo, and clottey all before pac even moved up or before they tore each other to shreds. And there wouldn't be any reasonable doubt had floyd won those fights he'd be recognized as best since RJJ..

Hold on.

Pac vs DLH are you telling me DLH was a worthy opponant that night? at least against floyd he threw some punches.

Pac vs hatton. Same as the above. Hatton was no where near what he was before the floyd fight.

Pac vs cotto Cotto has been shot scince the margarito fight

Pac vs clottey No explination needed. About as meaningful as floyd vs marquesz.

Baldomir didn't belong in the ring? despite beating judah and having the title?

No need for floyd to fight collazo, hatton beat him then floyd beat hatton and now floyd is fighting shane who also beat collazo

No need to fight margartio shane already beat him oooh and look who floyd's fighting next...

No need to fight clottey the guy is a league bellow, he's not even a contender..

Paul Williams has moved up a weight class (why ask the questions of mayweather? ask yourself why doesn't pac fight him?)

Floyd would be fighting pac but someone didn't want to take a drug test for one reason or another.

All the above in consideration Floyd is still the man.

I see what your saying about fighting those guys earlier, and of course bringing mosely's age into it. But personally I think there will always be something to knit pick at, and you can do that with any fighter or any fighters opponant.

Dude you really have a hard on for pacman...i don't care about pacman v floyd, but since you keep mentioning him, and pointing out fighters that manny took on, you only help the argument as to why manny should be higher p4p than floyd...

They both fought hatton and oscar...except manny fought him (hatton) in own weight division 140, where many believed he would be most effective.

But nevertheless they both beat hatton and oscar so forget those two fights...

Manny at WW has beaten Cotto, Clottey, and Oscar two of them were prime in their real division.

Floyd has beaten Judah, Baldomir, then made Hatton and JMM both come up. JMM two weight classes without a tune up. Hatton was clearly not as good at 147 evidenced by the collazo fight.

Another thing is, all of those fighters were in 147 before floyd "retired"...and according to your logic there's no need to fight Shane, because Floyd beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Shane....

If i had a hard on for pacman I'd be saying he was the pound for pound best. I'm not, I'm saying he's not what he's cracked up to be at all. My penis is quite flacid, I can't get excited about pac at the mo...

Hold on they didn't beat the same hatton and the same DLH.

Next your gonna tell me that hatton beat the same vince philips that beat tzsyu, or Khan beat the same barrera that beat morales and hamid...

It was marquez choice to come up two weight classes without tune up.

It was Floyd's choice to fight DLH at 154. so was floyd at an obvious disadvantage to DLH at 154?

Manny beat a shot cotto at 147, cotto who's now gone up a class because of weight making difficulties (and i'm fairly certain foreman is gonna shit on him after 6 rounds). DLH at 147 his best weight class? yeah maybe 10 years ago. And of course he beat clottey at 147. Yes that amzing world beating hall of famer josh clottey! It's a great joke.

Let's face it Shane is pretty much the best WW apart from floyd and manny, and look which one has stepped up to face him.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Hold on.

Pac vs DLH are you telling me DLH was a worthy opponant that night? at least against floyd he threw some punches.

Pac vs hatton. Same as the above. Hatton was no where near what he was before the floyd fight.

Pac vs cotto Cotto has been shot scince the margarito fight

Pac vs clottey No explination needed. About as meaningful as floyd vs marquesz.

Baldomir didn't belong in the ring? despite beating judah and having the title?

No need for floyd to fight collazo, hatton beat him then floyd beat hatton and now floyd is fighting shane who also beat collazo

No need to fight margartio shane already beat him oooh and look who floyd's fighting next...

No need to fight clottey the guy is a league bellow, he's not even a contender..

Paul Williams has moved up a weight class (why ask the questions of mayweather? ask yourself why doesn't pac fight him?)

Floyd would be fighting pac but someone didn't want to take a drug test for one reason or another.

All the above in consideration Floyd is still the man.

I see what your saying about fighting those guys earlier, and of course bringing mosely's age into it. But personally I think there will always be something to knit pick at, and you can do that with any fighter or any fighters opponant.

Dude you really have a hard on for pacman...i don't care about pacman v floyd, but since you keep mentioning him, and pointing out fighters that manny took on, you only help the argument as to why manny should be higher p4p than floyd...

They both fought hatton and oscar...except manny fought him (hatton) in own weight division 140, where many believed he would be most effective.

But nevertheless they both beat hatton and oscar so forget those two fights...

Manny at WW has beaten Cotto, Clottey, and Oscar two of them were prime in their real division.

Floyd has beaten Judah, Baldomir, then made Hatton and JMM both come up. JMM two weight classes without a tune up. Hatton was clearly not as good at 147 evidenced by the collazo fight.

Another thing is, all of those fighters were in 147 before floyd "retired"...and according to your logic there's no need to fight Shane, because Floyd beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Shane....

If i had a hard on for pacman I'd be saying he was the pound for pound best. I'm not, I'm saying he's not what he's cracked up to be at all. My penis is quite flacid, I can't get excited about pac at the mo...

Hold on they didn't beat the same hatton and the same DLH.

Next your gonna tell me that hatton beat the same vince philips that beat tzsyu, or Khan beat the same barrera that beat morales and hamid...

It was marquez choice to come up two weight classes without tune up.

It was Floyd's choice to fight DLH at 154. so was floyd at an obvious disadvantage to DLH at 154?

Manny beat a shot cotto at 147, cotto who's now gone up a class because of weight making difficulties (and i'm fairly certain foreman is gonna shit on him after 6 rounds). DLH at 147 his best weight class? yeah maybe 10 years ago. And of course he beat clottey at 147. Yes that amzing world beating hall of famer josh clottey! It's a great joke.

Let's face it Shane is pretty much the best WW apart from floyd and manny, and look which one has stepped up to face him.

1st...if cotto was so shot why did the floyd camp pick cotto to win?
2nd..Clottey may not be hof but he's a legitimate WELTERWEIGHT contender that stopped judah, something floyd couldn't do.
3rd. It's actually floyd that stepped up and finally faced someone, instead of beating up small big names.


Also you're talking about now...I was referring to before all of the top guys destroyed each other. Floyd could have beaten "maybe" all them before they even faced each other, but he instead chose the easier path (smart) and let the other guys beat each other up while he comes in fresh from sparring sessions with guys that shouldnt have been in the ring.

[Hornfinger]

Floyd could go up to heavy weight and beat the klits and people would still find a problem with it.

Floyd will beat shane and then try to negotiate with pac who will retire and the fight won't happen, floyd will be blamed. I can see that happen.

Or

the fight will happen floyd will win and everyone will say 'yeah but pac was a little guy blah blah blah'

Floyds never been beaten in the ring. But the guy just can't win with people out of it. Can't blame him for having the attitude he has.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Floyd could go up to heavy weight and beat the klits and people would still find a problem with it.

Floyd will beat shane and then try to negotiate with pac who will retire and the fight won't happen, floyd will be blamed. I can see that happen.

Or

the fight will happen floyd will win and everyone will say 'yeah but pac was a little guy blah blah blah'

Floyds never been beaten in the ring. But the guy just can't win with people out of it. Can't blame him for having the attitude he has.

That's having your head too far up his ass...everyone on here will admit floyd is p4p one or 2 dosen't matter. Everyone will acknowledge he was a serious force as a lighter fighter. But the fact remains, since becoming a PPV draw and moving up, he hasn't fought to level of challenge in which one would expect...