Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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Oggie
It's impossible to tell what will happen until the two are in the ring together, that is what makes the fight so intriguing. Both have looked red hot lately, lets not take anything away from them. We can always slam their opponents in various ways, but the fact is they keep winning in dominating fashion, and that is all that can be asked of them.
In the case of Floyd's opponents, usually it goes like this -
De La Hoya stopped using his jab and was old, Ricky Hatton was never a welterweight and the referee screwed him, Marquez was blown up and useless and now Mosley was past it and gassed after the 2nd round effort.
In Manny's case, it goes like this -
De La Hoya was weight drained and old, Hatton had terrible preparation and wasn't himself, Cotto was not the same after Margarito and Clottey was too one dimensional to ever stand a chance.
Some might be true, some might not. Fact is, they are all world class regardless and some of the best on the planet at this time, so what is the deal?
Only way we can ever tell is when Floyd and Manny step into the ring together. What an event that would be... :cool:
so let's just get it on. this fight is bigger now than ever. no other opponents left for either fighters at 147. i hope we can see it before the end of the year.
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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markb018
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ruthless rocco
so many opinions... so many biases...
surely there's one thing we can agree on.
since floyd only signs up for fights he knows he's going to win...
(just look to his record for proof.)
and...since floyd won't sign to fight pac...
we can safely assume that floyd knows something we don't:
that he would lose to him.
agreed?;D
except Floyd signed to fight Pac, Manny wouldnt sign cause of the blood tests. Glad you notice bias in here as well
right. but under the rules governing boxing if they were to fight he would clearly lose or they would fight. and mayweather keeps saying he wants an even fair fight. well they're both held to the same standards. thats the definition of fair. (uhh... is it?)
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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markb018
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fan johnny
Pacquiao thru 400 or so more punches against Clottey than both Mayweather and Mosley did together. There was often 15 and 20 seconds that when by with only a faint or two. Mayweather didn't run in this one. If Mosley had less respect for Mayweather and let his hand go by just 3 or four more punches it could have been more competitive. It was like the guy had his hands tied I couldn't believe it.
It wouldnt have been more competitive if Mosley let his hands go. Shane would have been stopped if he did that.
Shane didnt throw cause when he did he was getting rocked
Shane didn tthrow because he was fucking tired. Hell he was tired before floyd even did anything. He was too tired to even apply real pressure after he hurt floyd..
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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Originally Posted by
ruthless rocco
so many opinions... so many biases...
surely there's one thing we can agree on.
since floyd only signs up for fights he knows he's going to win...
(just look to his record for proof.)
and...since floyd won't sign to fight pac...
we can safely assume that floyd knows something we don't:
that he would lose to him.
agreed?;D
:scratchchin: Flawless logic there.
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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generalbulldog
I see it being competitive in the 1st 4 rounds and then Floyd takes over by adapting and cruising to a UD.
I don't see Floyd knocking out Pacquiao, as someone said he ain't glass jaw and I doubt Floyd hits harder than Cotto at 147.
He may not hit harder if you put them on pressure pads but Floyd hits cleaner and more accurate than Cotto and his straight right is very nice. That will be the shot that undoes Pac.
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
I see it being competitive in the 1st 4 rounds and then Floyd takes over by adapting and cruising to a UD.
I don't see Floyd knocking out Pacquiao, as someone said he ain't glass jaw and I doubt Floyd hits harder than Cotto at 147.
He may not hit harder if you put them on pressure pads but Floyd hits cleaner and more accurate than Cotto and his straight right is very nice. That will be the shot that undoes Pac.
Cotto landed cleanly on Pac a few times, there was a reason why Pacquiao got a busted eardrum, I say Floyd wins by UD, no ko.
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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generalbulldog
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rjj tszyu
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generalbulldog
I see it being competitive in the 1st 4 rounds and then Floyd takes over by adapting and cruising to a UD.
I don't see Floyd knocking out Pacquiao, as someone said he ain't glass jaw and I doubt Floyd hits harder than Cotto at 147.
He may not hit harder if you put them on pressure pads but Floyd hits cleaner and more accurate than Cotto and his straight right is very nice. That will be the shot that undoes Pac.
Cotto landed cleanly on Pac a few times, there was a reason why Pacquiao got a busted eardrum, I say Floyd wins by UD, no ko.
Yes he did get hit off Cotto, I don't deny that but he is tailor made to get countered all night by Mayweather like he was against a slower less hard hitting JMM and remember this now rjj tszyu has predicted that "Pretty Boy" Floyd "Money" Mayweather will KO Manny Pacquiao. That is providing Pac will agree to prove he is not a cheating little bastard and take the drug tests. I'd have taken them already and tonights fight wouldn't have even been happening, but I am not a sted head either.
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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The Shadow
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generalbulldog
I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.
For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.
A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.
Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and ended his career in the 2nd.
This isn't a numbers game... we're not playing with pokemon cards here.
Doesn't matter what round Floyd or Manny KO'd hatton in... styles make fights, it's an old saying but it's been around for a reason.
George Foreman absolutely demolished Joe Frazier... knocked him down like 8 times or something in a few rounds... easy fight.
Now Joe Frazier once beat Ali and twice took him to the wire: 'the closest I've ever been to death' - ali...
That didn't help big George in Ziarre though did it?
Again - styles make fights and I haven't seen anything that Pac does that makes me want to pick him over Floyd, he couldn't crack open Clotteys very orthodox defense, he isn't quicker than Floyd... I don't see a massive difference in power... Floyd maybe even edges it Floyd's boxing brain is on another level.
The reason Manny throughs shots from all angles against guys like Clottey, Hatton and an old weight drained light middle is because he could
Floyd won't allow it, reflexes, ring generalship, positioning etc... really can't give Manny much of a chance.
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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AdamGB
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The Shadow
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generalbulldog
I just don't see it, like what Manny Steward says, Floyd is bigger and more skilled and would be too much for Manny. He roughed up arguably the most physical 147 pounder in the ring tonight who has speed, power, and who was the #1 welter.
For the people clamoring for a Pac-Floyd fight, you're going to be disappointed just like tonight.
A 40 year-old 147 pounder, who gave up -- from what I'm reading on this forum -- by the mid-rounds.
Took Mayweather more than two rounds to KO Hatton. Didn't he have to go almost 9 or 10 rounds with Hatton? Pacquiao almost done it in one and ended his career in the 2nd.
This isn't a numbers game... we're not playing with pokemon cards here.
Doesn't matter what round Floyd or Manny KO'd hatton in... styles make fights, it's an old saying but it's been around for a reason.
George Foreman absolutely demolished Joe Frazier... knocked him down like 8 times or something in a few rounds... easy fight.
Now Joe Frazier once beat Ali and twice took him to the wire: 'the closest I've ever been to death' - ali...
That didn't help big George in Ziarre though did it?
Again - styles make fights and I haven't seen anything that Pac does that makes me want to pick him over Floyd, he couldn't crack open Clotteys very orthodox defense, he isn't quicker than Floyd... I don't see a massive difference in power... Floyd maybe even edges it Floyd's boxing brain is on another level.
The reason Manny throughs shots from all angles against guys like Clottey, Hatton and an old weight drained light middle is because he
could
Floyd won't allow it, reflexes, ring generalship, positioning etc... really can't give Manny much of a chance.
Good post, but I think that Manny has the power and punching speed to make it a very interesting fight that will test Floyd. I am also one who thinks that MP is using sh*t.
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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The Shadow
Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?
Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.
So, who are your heroes in this regard. Floyd Mayweather is no worse than the culture that spawned him. What decency are you talking about.
There is something cognitively dissonant about people affixing saintly human virtues to an activity of violence produced to sate the cravings of an audience. It is idiotic, it is stupid, and it is demonstrably hypocritical. Morally and decent humans and commercial violence are two mutually exclusive plains of existence. You guys have become so accustomed to retarded trains of thinking and formulations that it reshapes your congitive reality. That God and his Son will ignore all the suffering that takes place in this world in order to give their attention to paid gladiators plying their trade is a manifestation of retarded thinking. That this way of making a living is consistent with human values of decency and morally uprightness is evidence of romantic hallucinations. Wake up!!!
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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The Shadow
Don't know where all these people are coming out with "why you hating on Mayweather?" I don't know. Maybe because he's a punk-ass, scumbag without a shred of character of decency?
Great fighter? Yes. An all time Great? Yes. A decent, morally upright human?
Hell no.
Morals are you kidding me? Morales? LOL. Money Mayweather is a character that Floyd uses to boost ticket sales, because with that barvado people will pay to see him lose. When the real Floyd comes through is when after the fight he immediately starts talking about needing to do something with all four of his kids. Cant see how you can question that
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
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markb018
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rjj tszyu
Floyds timing would be way too much for pac and he WOULD DEFINITLEY KO PAC. Remember that I professed this everyone. And for all those who want to attack me for saying this be careful because I WILL remember lol
I agree with you...frankly i am surprised at all the hate Mayweather is receiving after a brilliant performance.
I've been here 5 years and i'm not surprised ;)
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
i dont think pacmans work rate will be so high against floyd, a fighter like floyd will hit u and hit u hard in between ur combos, he ill adjust just like he did against mosely and it will just look like it wasnt pacmans "night"
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
I love PAC, but PAC will be slower/shorter than Mayweather and has very penetrable defense. I give Manny a puncher's chance:eek:
Re: I don't see Floyd-Pac being competitive after that performance
I think people forget that Manny isn't the same whirlwind against movement, we've seen Marquez and Barrera significantly reduce his offensive effectiveness and output by using distance.
Also Pacquaio can only use angles if Mayweather allows him to close the gap, otherwise the only option Pacquiao has is to come straight forward at Mayweather and Floyd will see him coming. In a fight between two truly ATG's I think Floyd is just too well rounded, and Manny will never have instinctive skills that Floyd possesses. Manny is truly great and already a top 15 p4p, but Floyd is better than him.
