Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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Tyson was and always will be nothing more than a well promoted HW that could hit hard with both hands. Don King should be in the HOF for the way he built up those stiffs thrown into the ring with tyson...
Tyson was a very hard hitting Heavyweight who came along at the right time opponents wise and HBO publicity wise.
Once he fought guys who could handle themselves and fought back, he wasn't nearly as good.
I don't question at all that he was a spectacular fighter from 1985-1988. One hell of a phenom. But this over romantized notion that he could have been 100-0 if he had just kept Kevin Rooney is just plain goofy.
Looking at how he cut through the fighters he had to deal with with such ease how can you be sure he wouldnt have? At only 22 he had years ahead of him to reach his potential, maybe only another 5 but at the rate he was fighting he could have had another 30 fights at least undefeated.
the only fighters worth mentioning on Tyson's resume he lost to, the others were past it or not real heavys (spinks)...
He loses to Holy- 9 out of 10 any version
same with lennox
he would have lost to the old version of george foreman...Tyson's only claim to greatness is being the youngest heavy in history...which is great.
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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JonesJrMayweather
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ross
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Andrew73
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JonesJrMayweather
Tyson was and always will be nothing more than a well promoted HW that could hit hard with both hands. Don King should be in the HOF for the way he built up those stiffs thrown into the ring with tyson...
Tyson was a very hard hitting Heavyweight who came along at the right time opponents wise and HBO publicity wise.
Once he fought guys who could handle themselves and fought back, he wasn't nearly as good.
I don't question at all that he was a spectacular fighter from 1985-1988. One hell of a phenom. But this over romantized notion that he could have been 100-0 if he had just kept Kevin Rooney is just plain goofy.
Looking at how he cut through the fighters he had to deal with with such ease how can you be sure he wouldnt have? At only 22 he had years ahead of him to reach his potential, maybe only another 5 but at the rate he was fighting he could have had another 30 fights at least undefeated.
the only fighters worth mentioning on Tyson's resume he lost to, the others were past it or not real heavys (spinks)...
He loses to Holy- 9 out of 10 any version
same with lennox
he would have lost to the old version of george foreman...Tyson's only claim to greatness is being the youngest heavy in history...which is great.
You really have no clue, Mike wan his titles off defending champions, he beat 5 defending champions, better than any one since, he also made 6 defences as undisputed champ, better than anyone since.
As for his opponents, Spinks, Holmes, Tucker, Biggs and Tubbs would all be at the top of the division today.
The Klitschkos would be crying in the corner taking steroids and being knocked out by Sanders;D
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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the only fighters worth mentioning on Tyson's resume he lost to, the others were past it or not real heavys (spinks)....
Ok, name fighters since Tyson who you think are better than Tyson and give me the name of their best opponents;)
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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ross
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JonesJrMayweather
the only fighters worth mentioning on Tyson's resume he lost to, the others were past it or not real heavys (spinks)....
Ok, name fighters since Tyson who you think are better than Tyson and give me the name of their best opponents;)
Come on?
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the only fighters worth mentioning on Tyson's resume he lost to, the others were past it or not real heavys (spinks)....
Ok, name fighters since Tyson who you think are better than Tyson and give me the name of their best opponents;)
Come on?
Holyfield, Lewis, Vitaly, Foreman, Wvlad, and i'll even go so far as to say Mercer would have beaten him too.
holyfield's best opponent is lewis and vice versa..of course i don''t have to mention foremans best opponent. Wvlad is the weakest of the six mentioned, but fighting the way he fights now he beats tyson easily.
prime vs prime, tyson loses to both of the klits, they would beat him he would bever even get close enough to land anything. Against Foreman he'd be too stupid to concede that foreman hits harder and get knocked out. Holy is just better period. And lennox would exactly what he did to him when they fought..prime vs prime.
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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ross
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JonesJrMayweather
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ross
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Andrew73
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JonesJrMayweather
Tyson was and always will be nothing more than a well promoted HW that could hit hard with both hands. Don King should be in the HOF for the way he built up those stiffs thrown into the ring with tyson...
Tyson was a very hard hitting Heavyweight who came along at the right time opponents wise and HBO publicity wise.
Once he fought guys who could handle themselves and fought back, he wasn't nearly as good.
I don't question at all that he was a spectacular fighter from 1985-1988. One hell of a phenom. But this over romantized notion that he could have been 100-0 if he had just kept Kevin Rooney is just plain goofy.
Looking at how he cut through the fighters he had to deal with with such ease how can you be sure he wouldnt have? At only 22 he had years ahead of him to reach his potential, maybe only another 5 but at the rate he was fighting he could have had another 30 fights at least undefeated.
the only fighters worth mentioning on Tyson's resume he lost to, the others were past it or not real heavys (spinks)...
He loses to Holy- 9 out of 10 any version
same with lennox
he would have lost to the old version of george foreman...Tyson's only claim to greatness is being the youngest heavy in history...which is great.
You really have no clue, Mike wan his titles off defending champions, he beat 5 defending champions, better than any one since, he also made 6 defences as undisputed champ, better than anyone since.
As for his opponents, Spinks,
Holmes, Tucker, Biggs and Tubbs would all be at the top of the division today.
The Klitschkos would be crying in the corner taking steroids and being knocked out by Sanders;D
prime holmes would be, but he'd be beaten by Vitaly. the rest would be just in the shuffle of guys waiting to be beat by one of the brothers...
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
So Lewis's best opponent isnt a genuine heavy?;D Just like Spinks wasnt?;) Holyfield lost his reign in his 3rd or 4th defence.
Holyfields best opponent was knocked out by Mikes sparring partner;D
vitali cried like a little girl against Byrd and Wladamir got beaten a few times but I dont follow his career and what Sanders did to him leads me to believe that fast, big punchers would all do the same;)
Again, the division is weak today so why cant they unify the division like Mike did;)
The only reason Lewis ended up being unified was because Mike had put the other 2 titles together.
My whole point is, no one has been able to come near mikes dominance, which is what everyone is crying out for, another fighter that can come through and clean up and reign like Mike did, no one has managed it since. When Mike was champ, everyone knew who the champion was and he didnt leave any doubt by fighting everyone and having an easy time with everyone.
He beat 3 defending champions then defended all 3 titles successfully 6 times;) Lewis tried but got knocked out by another journeyman called Rahman, no one has been as dominant, both the Klitschkos have a few losses already, so they cant ever be as dominant because there will always be questions over their hearts or chins and they haent even unified yet to be called undisputed. Little drug sissy cheaters;D
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So Lewis's best opponent isnt a genuine heavy?;D Just like Spinks wasnt?;) Holyfield lost his reign in his 3rd or 4th defence.
Holyfields best opponent was knocked out by Mikes sparring partner;D
vitali cried like a little girl against Byrd and Wladamir got beaten a few times but I dont follow his career and what Sanders did to him leads me to believe that fast, big punchers would all do the same;)
Again, the division is weak today so why cant they unify the division like Mike did;)
The only reason Lewis ended up being unified was because Mike had put the other 2 titles together.
My whole point is, no one has been able to come near mikes dominance, which is what everyone is crying out for, another fighter that can come through and clean up and reign like Mike did, no one has managed it since. When Mike was champ, everyone knew who the champion was and he didnt leave any doubt by fighting everyone and having an easy time with everyone.
He beat 3 defending champions then defended all 3 titles successfully 6 times;) Lewis tried but got knocked out by another journeyman called Rahman, no one has been as dominant, both the Klitschkos have a few losses already, so they cant ever be as dominant because there will always be questions over their hearts or chins and they haent even unified yet to be called undisputed. Little drug sissy cheaters;D
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Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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So Lewis's best opponent isnt a genuine heavy?;D Just like Spinks wasnt?;) Holyfield lost his reign in his 3rd or 4th defence.
Holyfields best opponent was knocked out by Mikes sparring partner;D
vitali cried like a little girl against Byrd and Wladamir got beaten a few times but I dont follow his career and what Sanders did to him leads me to believe that fast, big punchers would all do the same;)
Again, the division is weak today so why cant they unify the division like Mike did;)
The only reason Lewis ended up being unified was because Mike had put the other 2 titles together.
My whole point is, no one has been able to come near mikes dominance, which is what everyone is crying out for, another fighter that can come through and clean up and reign like Mike did, no one has managed it since. When Mike was champ, everyone knew who the champion was and he didnt leave any doubt by fighting everyone and having an easy time with everyone.
He beat 3 defending champions then defended all 3 titles successfully 6 times;) Lewis tried but got knocked out by another journeyman called Rahman, no one has been as dominant, both the Klitschkos have a few losses already, so they cant ever be as dominant because there will always be questions over their hearts or chins and they haent even unified yet to be called undisputed. Little drug sissy cheaters;D
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Sarcasm? ;D
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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Sarcasm? ;D
No, I thought it was a great post. :)
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ross
Sarcasm? ;D
No, I thought it was a great post. :)
Hmm, that could again be sarcasm;D
Ill tentatively say thankyou;)
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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ross
So Lewis's best opponent isnt a genuine heavy?;D Just like Spinks wasnt?;) Holyfield lost his reign in his 3rd or 4th defence.
Holyfields best opponent was knocked out by Mikes sparring partner;D
vitali cried like a little girl against Byrd and Wladamir got beaten a few times but I dont follow his career and what Sanders did to him leads me to believe that fast, big punchers would all do the same;)
Again, the division is weak today so why cant they unify the division like Mike did;)
The only reason Lewis ended up being unified was because Mike had put the other 2 titles together.
My whole point is, no one has been able to come near mikes dominance, which is what everyone is crying out for, another fighter that can come through and clean up and reign like Mike did, no one has managed it since. When Mike was champ, everyone knew who the champion was and he didnt leave any doubt by fighting everyone and having an easy time with everyone.
He beat 3 defending champions then defended all 3 titles successfully 6 times;) Lewis tried but got knocked out by another journeyman called Rahman, no one has been as dominant, both the Klitschkos have a few losses already, so they cant ever be as dominant because there will always be questions over their hearts or chins and they haent even unified yet to be called undisputed. Little drug sissy cheaters;D
and mike was beaten for 10 rounds before being kayoed by a carpet layer. Holyfield grew into being a heavy. Spinks had a couple of fights then got knocked out, hardly a legit heavy.
didn't holyfield and lewis both smash the shit out of TYson? So what difference does it make how many bums Don King built up to the public to lay down for tyson, he lost to the guys of his generation. Also Lewis defeated every man he faced.
Talk about heart? Wasn't it Tyson who couldn't stomach the thought of losing again to Holyfield so he bit him TWICE in the same round to get DQ'd?
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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Talk about heart? Wasn't it Tyson who couldn't stomach the thought of losing again to Holyfield so he bit him TWICE in the same round to get DQ'd?
Is this the same Holyfield who kept on headbutting him? Find it quite bizarre that, despite being a few inches taller, Holyfield's head was nested in against Mike's for the majority of the fight.
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
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JonesJrMayweather
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ross
So Lewis's best opponent isnt a genuine heavy?;D Just like Spinks wasnt?;) Holyfield lost his reign in his 3rd or 4th defence.
Holyfields best opponent was knocked out by Mikes sparring partner;D
vitali cried like a little girl against Byrd and Wladamir got beaten a few times but I dont follow his career and what Sanders did to him leads me to believe that fast, big punchers would all do the same;)
Again, the division is weak today so why cant they unify the division like Mike did;)
The only reason Lewis ended up being unified was because Mike had put the other 2 titles together.
My whole point is, no one has been able to come near mikes dominance, which is what everyone is crying out for, another fighter that can come through and clean up and reign like Mike did, no one has managed it since. When Mike was champ, everyone knew who the champion was and he didnt leave any doubt by fighting everyone and having an easy time with everyone.
He beat 3 defending champions then defended all 3 titles successfully 6 times;) Lewis tried but got knocked out by another journeyman called Rahman, no one has been as dominant, both the Klitschkos have a few losses already, so they cant ever be as dominant because there will always be questions over their hearts or chins and they haent even unified yet to be called undisputed. Little drug sissy cheaters;D
and mike was beaten for 10 rounds before being kayoed by a carpet layer. Holyfield grew into being a heavy. Spinks had a couple of fights then got knocked out, hardly a legit heavy.
didn't holyfield and lewis both smash the shit out of TYson? So what difference does it make how many bums Don King built up to the public to lay down for tyson, he lost to the guys of his generation. Also Lewis defeated every man he faced.
Talk about heart? Wasn't it Tyson who couldn't stomach the thought of losing again to Holyfield so he bit him TWICE in the same round to get DQ'd?
When anyone talks about Mike, they talk about what happened from Douglas onwards. Everyone knows Mike didnt give a shiit about boxing anymore, he hardly trained, barely sparred, never listened to any new trainers. He was just doing it to earn money.
Yet when people talk about Holyfield, they dont include all his losses, getting dropped hard by Ruiz, his pathetic showings against Lewis, getting slapped around by Toney in his first fight at heavy!!;D That there is a bum;)
Mike was 22 or 23 when he left Rooney, he had so much more he could have shown but instead, as soon as he got with Givens his skill stalled, then declined. Even now, id love to see Mike do some exhibitions back with Rooney just to see if it did make a difference not training under him.
The Holmes that Mike beat, beats the Lewis that Mikes sparring partner sparked;D
The Spinks that Mike flattened, beats the Holyfield that Burt Cooper cracked;D
Re: Reality Hit Home Regarding the GREAT MIKE TYSON Story
I agree...Mercer would have had a good chance of beating Mike and I wonder why this match up was never made......Tyson came along when the heavyweight division was crap....full of junkie no mark Champions getting stitched up by Don King......I am inclined to say Trevor Berbick got paid off against Mike and was probably told to exaggerate the knock downs he suffered in the fight to make Tyson look like a monster. I'm telling you now why Tyson's management shied away from Mercer.....the answer is simple.....they fed Tyson Bruno and Carl Williams...and Tyson's management were so over protective against Williams they probably told the ref to stop the fight at the earliest point...and if you look at the fight again I can seriously feel for Carl Williams cause the stoppage is DISGRACEFUL!!!
Job Biscuit (Tyson the biggest hype job EVER)!!!!
eh eh!!!
