Re: Chavez Jr. pulls out of Wolak fight to challenge Cotto!
i really hope this fight happens cause i want to see chavez jr. graduate with honors! i think cotto is going to take the first part of the fight with straight A's but then chavez jr. is going to get busy and make cotto run (just like in the margarito fight). cotto is going to be so frustrated that he can't hurt chavez jr. and revert to backing up while losing steam. chavez jr. will dominate the 10th round and beyond. whether he KO's cotto will determine the outcome cause i think chavez jr. is going to need a KO to beat cotto. like ive said before, cotto's punch resistance is not the same. i seriously do not believe cotto's going to be able to withstand the kind of punches john duddy withstood. chavez jr. by late TKO!
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
I agree, that's why he has to take this fight. He's been a pro for 7 years, averaging 6 fights a year, he's 24 yrs old and should be at his peak of fitness and he has enough ring experience now to take on someone like Cotto. Does he have the abilitiy to win? That is the unanswered question.
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
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terrible,
all boxers are not the same. i think julito's body was too big for him and he is just now maturing into it. some are more coordinated than others. but that doesn't mean julito won't be able to beat cotto. like they say, anything can happen in boxing. cotto has seen his better days. everyone knows this. roach knows this that's why he wants this fight for julito. cotto might still be an offensive machine but i serioiusly doubt he'll be able to hurt the much bigger, younger julito. on the other hands, julito does hit hard. that cannot be disputed and i believe he's got a great chance to KO cotto who hasn't been the same since margarito ruined him.
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
So because Vazquez Jr. developed rapidly in an almost unheard of manner Chavez Jr. is expected to do the same? That's a ridiculous argument. The kid is 24 years old, he's showing a lot of promise under Freddy Roach, and he' steadily increasing his level of opposition. I don't understand what else he could do.
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CFH,
imo, the reason why these cotto fans are seriously degrading chavez jr.'s chances is because they can smell an upset.
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imo, the reason why these cotto fans are seriously degrading chavez jr.'s chances is because they can smell an upset.
I don't know about that, I think Cotto will probably beat him. However, I think Chavez is developing well for a fighter with no amateur experience and I also think that most of ths shit he takes is a result of his father. He's never going to be JCC, an all-time great, but it doesn't mean he's a bad fighter and it doesn't mean he can't develop into a legitimate title challenger, and he should be given the opportunity to do so.
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
So because Vazquez Jr. developed rapidly in an almost unheard of manner Chavez Jr. is expected to do the same? That's a ridiculous argument. The kid is 24 years old, he's showing a lot of promise under Freddy Roach, and he' steadily increasing his level of opposition. I don't understand what else he could do.
he's been a pro for 7 goddamn years, he should of been facing guys at a world level ages ago, it's not only Vazquez Jr, there have been plenty of guys with little to no amateur experience who have stepped it up a lot sooner than Chavez Jr, as for an upset there will be no upset, seeing how Chavez doesn't make it to the final bell
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
So because Vazquez Jr. developed rapidly in an almost unheard of manner Chavez Jr. is expected to do the same? That's a ridiculous argument. The kid is 24 years old, he's showing a lot of promise under Freddy Roach, and he' steadily increasing his level of opposition. I don't understand what else he could do.
he's been a pro for 7 goddamn years, he should of been facing guys at a world level ages ago, it's not only Vazquez Jr, there have been plenty of guys with little to no amateur experience who have stepped it up a lot sooner than Chavez Jr, as for an upset there will be no upset, seeing how Chavez doesn't make it to the final bell
It doesn't matter how long he has been a pro for because he is still so young and it doesn't matter what anybody else does or has done, other fighters have different skill-sets, they develop differently, and they might just flat out be better than Chavez. He clearly wasn't ready to step up in class before and so he did not. He's only now starting to develop as a fighter, why ruin him by having him fight guys who will beat him just to appease fickle fans who are going to berate him unless he somehow surpassed his father (which is impossible).
Again, he is 24 years old, it's not like he's pushing 30. There is a ton of time for him to round out his game and to step up his level of opposition, which he is doing by taking on a faded Cotto.
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
So because Vazquez Jr. developed rapidly in an almost unheard of manner Chavez Jr. is expected to do the same? That's a ridiculous argument. The kid is 24 years old, he's showing a lot of promise under Freddy Roach, and he' steadily increasing his level of opposition. I don't understand what else he could do.
he's been a pro for 7 goddamn years, he should of been facing guys at a world level ages ago, it's not only Vazquez Jr, there have been plenty of guys with little to no amateur experience who have stepped it up a lot sooner than Chavez Jr, as for an upset there will be no upset, seeing how Chavez doesn't make it to the final bell
It doesn't matter how long he has been a pro for because he is still so young and it doesn't matter what anybody else does or has done, other fighters have different skill-sets, they develop differently, and they might just flat out be better than Chavez. He clearly wasn't ready to step up in class before and so he did not. He's only now starting to develop as a fighter, why ruin him by having him fight guys who will beat him just to appease fickle fans who are going to berate him unless he somehow surpassed his father (which is impossible).
Again, he is 24 years old, it's not like he's pushing 30. There is a ton of time for him to round out his game and to step up his level of opposition, which he is doing by taking on a faded Cotto.
then i bring back the point that if he's going to beat up bums it shouldn't be on PPV, Canelo Alvarez is even younger, no am experience yet he's already stepped it up
there is no excuse for it, they want to bill Jr as being a serious fighter (as they have for a while now) and yet all they spoon feed him are bums
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
So because Vazquez Jr. developed rapidly in an almost unheard of manner Chavez Jr. is expected to do the same? That's a ridiculous argument. The kid is 24 years old, he's showing a lot of promise under Freddy Roach, and he' steadily increasing his level of opposition. I don't understand what else he could do.
he's been a pro for 7 goddamn years, he should of been facing guys at a world level ages ago, it's not only Vazquez Jr, there have been plenty of guys with little to no amateur experience who have stepped it up a lot sooner than Chavez Jr, as for an upset there will be no upset, seeing how Chavez doesn't make it to the final bell
It doesn't matter how long he has been a pro for because he is still so young and it doesn't matter what anybody else does or has done, other fighters have different skill-sets, they develop differently, and they might just flat out be better than Chavez. He clearly wasn't ready to step up in class before and so he did not. He's only now starting to develop as a fighter, why ruin him by having him fight guys who will beat him just to appease fickle fans who are going to berate him unless he somehow surpassed his father (which is impossible).
Again, he is 24 years old, it's not like he's pushing 30. There is a ton of time for him to round out his game and to step up his level of opposition, which he is doing by taking on a faded Cotto.
then i bring back the point that if he's going to beat up bums it shouldn't be on PPV, Canelo Alvarez is even younger, no am experience yet he's already stepped it up
there is no excuse for it, they want to bill Jr as being a serious fighter (as they have for a while now) and yet all they spoon feed him are bums
Chavez Jr. being on PPV has nothing to do with his abilities as a fighter, boxing promoters will do anything to make money. If people are dumb enough to pay for his fights it isn't his fault and not a reflection on his abilities nor on who he should or should not be fighter.
As for Alvarez, he's a knock out waiting to happen. I am in no way sold on him and he shouldn't be fighting anyone other than experienced journeymen at this point.
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
So because Vazquez Jr. developed rapidly in an almost unheard of manner Chavez Jr. is expected to do the same? That's a ridiculous argument. The kid is 24 years old, he's showing a lot of promise under Freddy Roach, and he' steadily increasing his level of opposition. I don't understand what else he could do.
he's been a pro for 7 goddamn years, he should of been facing guys at a world level ages ago, it's not only Vazquez Jr, there have been plenty of guys with little to no amateur experience who have stepped it up a lot sooner than Chavez Jr, as for an upset there will be no upset, seeing how Chavez doesn't make it to the final bell
It doesn't matter how long he has been a pro for because he is still so young and it doesn't matter what anybody else does or has done, other fighters have different skill-sets, they develop differently, and they might just flat out be better than Chavez. He clearly wasn't ready to step up in class before and so he did not. He's only now starting to develop as a fighter, why ruin him by having him fight guys who will beat him just to appease fickle fans who are going to berate him unless he somehow surpassed his father (which is impossible).
Again, he is 24 years old, it's not like he's pushing 30. There is a ton of time for him to round out his game and to step up his level of opposition, which he is doing by taking on a faded Cotto.
then i bring back the point that if he's going to beat up bums it shouldn't be on PPV, Canelo Alvarez is even younger, no am experience yet he's already stepped it up
there is no excuse for it, they want to bill Jr as being a serious fighter (as they have for a while now) and yet all they spoon feed him are bums
Chavez Jr. being on PPV has nothing to do with his abilities as a fighter, boxing promoters will do anything to make money. If people are dumb enough to pay for his fights it isn't his fault and not a reflection on his abilities nor on who he should or should not be fighter.
As for Alvarez, he's a knock out waiting to happen. I am in no way sold on him and he shouldn't be fighting anyone other than experienced journeymen at this point.
yet he's already faced better opposition than Chavez Jr, and my point is why should anyone believe he deserves any credit if he's already struggled with crap opponents, in reality Chavez should already have 2 losses on his record, he's nothing more then a limited sub par fighter living off his dad's name, if he wasn't the son of Julio Cesar Chavez no one would give a shit and he wouldn't even be mentioned as an opponent for Cotto
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Chavez jr has had 41 fights and is now 24 years of age, that is one long initiation into the world of boxing. He isn't a kid anymore, and if he is to prove he is half the fighter his father was then now is the time to do it. Cotto may no longer be at his best, he has had some wars, but he is still one helluva fighter and Chavez jr will soon know about what a step up in class is all about!
He had no amateur career, I think his trajectory is understandable.
read my post on Vazquez Jr., that excuse can only go so far
Chavez Jr. is only 24 years old though and he's only just starting to refine his game. It's not like he's 32 and still fighting bums. To me, the number of fights he has had is less important and less indicative of his potential as a fighter than his age and development.
Vazquez was 21 when he first picked up boxing, turned pro at 22, and is a world champion looking to unify at 26, so he went from no experience to world champ in 5 years, whats Chavez Jr's excuse?
So because Vazquez Jr. developed rapidly in an almost unheard of manner Chavez Jr. is expected to do the same? That's a ridiculous argument. The kid is 24 years old, he's showing a lot of promise under Freddy Roach, and he' steadily increasing his level of opposition. I don't understand what else he could do.
he's been a pro for 7 goddamn years, he should of been facing guys at a world level ages ago, it's not only Vazquez Jr, there have been plenty of guys with little to no amateur experience who have stepped it up a lot sooner than Chavez Jr, as for an upset there will be no upset, seeing how Chavez doesn't make it to the final bell
It doesn't matter how long he has been a pro for because he is still so young and it doesn't matter what anybody else does or has done, other fighters have different skill-sets, they develop differently, and they might just flat out be better than Chavez. He clearly wasn't ready to step up in class before and so he did not. He's only now starting to develop as a fighter, why ruin him by having him fight guys who will beat him just to appease fickle fans who are going to berate him unless he somehow surpassed his father (which is impossible).
Again, he is 24 years old, it's not like he's pushing 30. There is a ton of time for him to round out his game and to step up his level of opposition, which he is doing by taking on a faded Cotto.
then i bring back the point that if he's going to beat up bums it shouldn't be on PPV, Canelo Alvarez is even younger, no am experience yet he's already stepped it up
there is no excuse for it, they want to bill Jr as being a serious fighter (as they have for a while now) and yet all they spoon feed him are bums
Chavez Jr. being on PPV has nothing to do with his abilities as a fighter, boxing promoters will do anything to make money. If people are dumb enough to pay for his fights it isn't his fault and not a reflection on his abilities nor on who he should or should not be fighter.
As for Alvarez, he's a knock out waiting to happen. I am in no way sold on him and he shouldn't be fighting anyone other than experienced journeymen at this point.
yet he's already faced better opposition than Chavez Jr, and my point is why should anyone believe he deserves any credit if he's already struggled with crap opponents, in reality Chavez should already have 2 losses on his record, he's nothing more then a limited sub par fighter living off his dad's name, if he wasn't the son of Julio Cesar Chavez no one would give a shit and he wouldn't even be mentioned as an opponent for Cotto
So what? Different people develop skills and progress in different ways. What is right for one person is often not right for the other which is my entire point. Chavez Jr. has taken the right path for him, obviously. He's built up his skills slowly, gradually stepped up his competition, and now at 24 years old he's getting his first title shot against a fighter who is well past his best. His handlers obviously did something right. Now I don't think he'll beat Cotto, but I think he'll fight well and learn a lot from a fighter who would have absolutely wrecked him if he had fought him (or someone similar) prior to this.
We're just going in circles here.
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chavez jr. is just now entering his physical prime and should be a handful vs. the top competitors soon! all this negativity about him just assures me that his detractors know he's getting better and will someday be a world champion. i believe cotto's fans are worried as they should be. because of his physical advantages, once he trains with freddie roach for over a year or so, he's going to be an unstoppable freight train. he's going to only get better, it's unavoidable and his first victim in title fights is going to be cotto.
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Jr. has a decent shot of beating Cotto imo. Chavez Jr. has the physical tools in his favor plus as I"ve mentioned Roach isn't stupid enough to throw Jr. in there to get demolished without any chance of winning. Roach knows when it's time to set up a fight for his fighters where the advantage is with them.
