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Mosely is probably the best metric to use, given his combo of speed and power along with aggression. And with that you're left with, well, a question mark. IMO, ODLH holds up well. He probably won the rematch and was likely the victim of Mosely's PED use.
In my view, ODLH is a tad underated. If you reverese the Trinidad and Mosely II decsions, you have an unbelivable resume. He absolutely dominated the lower wieghts in Hearns-like style, KOing a roster of top-level names before becoming the first person to stop JCC. And he dominated Chavez, who was not too far from his prime.
Sweet Pea may have been robbed but ODLH fought him better than anyone had ever done up to that point. Then he absolutely exposes a red-hot prime Trinidad before his 2 battles with Mosely. That leaves B-Hop at middleweight as the only boxer with a winning record against ODLH in his prime.
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Oscar is garbage, maybe the most overhype fighter of all time next to tyson. ;D
I wish Koysta would of fought Oscar. ;)
this comment alone lets everyone know how much of a moron you really are ;D;), the only time garbage should be mentioned with DLH's name is when referring to the version of DLH that Pacquiao beat, and the garbage decisions that were rewarded to Tito and Shane in the rematch, unlike Manny DLH won his championships without catchweights or "advantages", and it'll always go down in history that Pacquiao had to fight a weight drained shot DLH to be able to beat him
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But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak.
I guess ODLH rep hinges on how seriously one takes the official record. There's an argument to be made that Boxing is different. Because of its inherent subjectivity (along with corruption) offical scores mean less that they do in other sports. And close wins are not the same as decisive ones, since things could easily go the other way.
This analysis also excludes Sweat Pea and Chavez, presumably becase they were not in their prime, but then simultaneously includes PBF and PacMan, even though ODLH was not prime by then. Not to mention Hopkins size.
One thing I like about boxing is, more than any other sport, its not whether you win or lose but how you played the game.
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As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.
That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.
This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.
At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...
I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.
And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"
The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.
If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?
As you know the name of the game is hit and not get hit. Whitaker made Oscar miss a lot, and that's an understatement. Whitaker did enough to win with his offense imo. Whitaker's jab and pitter pat punch as you put up still racked up points in my book. As said, isn't that the name of the game? Hit and not get hit. He was always a master of that. Oscar on the other hand was flurrying to win the round when he heard the 10 second warning while looking horrendous the rest of many rounds. Now how is that winning?
And that's pretty much what a lot of the rounds look like against Whitaker, now how is that beating Whitaker by 3 or 4 points? Whitaker landed more and at a higher connect percentage, plus Oscar missing alot. That's pretty much a Whitaker victory in my book.
As for the Trinidad fight, it can be disputed no doubt. The Shane Mosley fight, the one in 2000 he clearly lost, even Oscar said so himself that he lost in some interview years ago. You can argue he deserves the 2nd against Mosley that fight is disputed by many fans and I gave the fight to him. But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak. Even if I give Oscar the Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight he's still 2-4 against them. And he had almost every considerable advantage against guys like Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao and the 1st Mosley fight but still lost, that's the reality. Those 4 fights outcome can't be disputed. The Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight yes it can be argued, not the others.
It's part of the game. There's also something called effective punching. Whitaker landed more punches overall. But 70% of them were jabs. Most of them that weak, keep away from me jab. De La Hoya pressed the fight all night. He landed twice the power shots Whitaker did. There wasn't a great amount of noticeable shots landed that night. But damn near all that were, were landed by De La Hoya. Whitaker also spend a lot of the fight just clowning and hot dogging. Defense counts. Showboating doesn't. You knock Oscar for giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Yet what did Whitaker do in round 12 against Oscar? Nothing. He posed. Stuck his tongue out. Showboated a little. But did no fighting. Shit goes both ways
You got Oscar going 0-6 against the ATG's. Officially you say. How the hell can that be? Officially he has a win against Whitaker. Why ain't you counting that one? He's clearly an ATG. As is Julio Cesar Chavez. Whitaker wasn't in his prime when he met De La Hoya. But don't tell he still didn't have something left
On the Whitaker fight, I guess we're going to disagree on that. All I saw was that Whitaker made him miss a lot and got his punches in, even if they were weak jabs as you say, Whitaker in total punches landed and connect percentage his was higher overall. Now Oscar landed more on power shots but they were still too far and in between for me to give the rounds to Oscar and I can't really justify giving rounds to Oscar when he heard the 10 second warning and decided to flurry and try to win the rounds like that.
As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
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As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
You inadvertantly revealed another problem with using the offical record. Not every fighter fights the best. Pac and PBF have never fought each other obviously whereas there was no such drama for ODLH and Trinidad. Oscar fought a red-hot prime Mosely yet the two current lb-4-lbers appeared to both wait for him to age more, with PBF retiring while Mosely was younger and PacMan waiting until he dropped down in the rankings.
I do like the metric of judging a fighter against the best, and I think you can justify denying ODLH first-ballot HOF honors on that. Indeed, I agued on anohter thread that JCC fails on that metric (lost to Sweet Pea, never fought Azumah, controversy against Meldrick, loss and controversy with Frankie Randall, etc).
But ODLH was as willing to fight anyone as any fighter in the modern era. And he did while he held all the cards, ie money and popularity. This means he had an incentive to dodge but didn't. But I guess he's paying the price for those risks.
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As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.
That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.
This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.
At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...
I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.
And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"
The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.
If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?
As you know the name of the game is hit and not get hit. Whitaker made Oscar miss a lot, and that's an understatement. Whitaker did enough to win with his offense imo. Whitaker's jab and pitter pat punch as you put up still racked up points in my book. As said, isn't that the name of the game? Hit and not get hit. He was always a master of that. Oscar on the other hand was flurrying to win the round when he heard the 10 second warning while looking horrendous the rest of many rounds. Now how is that winning?
And that's pretty much what a lot of the rounds look like against Whitaker, now how is that beating Whitaker by 3 or 4 points? Whitaker landed more and at a higher connect percentage, plus Oscar missing alot. That's pretty much a Whitaker victory in my book.
As for the Trinidad fight, it can be disputed no doubt. The Shane Mosley fight, the one in 2000 he clearly lost, even Oscar said so himself that he lost in some interview years ago. You can argue he deserves the 2nd against Mosley that fight is disputed by many fans and I gave the fight to him. But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak. Even if I give Oscar the Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight he's still 2-4 against them. And he had almost every considerable advantage against guys like Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao and the 1st Mosley fight but still lost, that's the reality. Those 4 fights outcome can't be disputed. The Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight yes it can be argued, not the others.
It's part of the game. There's also something called effective punching. Whitaker landed more punches overall. But 70% of them were jabs. Most of them that weak, keep away from me jab. De La Hoya pressed the fight all night. He landed twice the power shots Whitaker did. There wasn't a great amount of noticeable shots landed that night. But damn near all that were, were landed by De La Hoya. Whitaker also spend a lot of the fight just clowning and hot dogging. Defense counts. Showboating doesn't. You knock Oscar for giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Yet what did Whitaker do in round 12 against Oscar? Nothing. He posed. Stuck his tongue out. Showboated a little. But did no fighting. Shit goes both ways
You got Oscar going 0-6 against the ATG's. Officially you say. How the hell can that be? Officially he has a win against Whitaker. Why ain't you counting that one? He's clearly an ATG. As is Julio Cesar Chavez. Whitaker wasn't in his prime when he met De La Hoya. But don't tell he still didn't have something left
On the Whitaker fight, I guess we're going to disagree on that. All I saw was that Whitaker made him miss a lot and got his punches in, even if they were weak jabs as you say, Whitaker in total punches landed and connect percentage his was higher overall. Now Oscar landed more on power shots but they were still too far and in between for me to give the rounds to Oscar and I can't really justify giving rounds to Oscar when he heard the 10 second warning and decided to flurry and try to win the rounds like that.
As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
ODLH has a better record than Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Oscar is garbage, maybe the most overhype fighter of all time next to tyson. ;D
I wish Koysta would of fought Oscar. ;)
this comment alone lets everyone know how much of a moron you really are ;D;), the only time garbage should be mentioned with DLH's name is when referring to the version of DLH that Pacquiao beat, and the garbage decisions that were rewarded to Tito and Shane in the rematch, unlike Manny DLH won his championships without catchweights or "advantages", and it'll always go down in history that
Pacquiao had to fight a weight drained shot DLH to be able to beat him
which was a great idea of oscar himself until he got in with a real ATG and got whoop on.
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As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.
That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.
This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.
At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...
I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.
And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"
The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.
If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?
As you know the name of the game is hit and not get hit. Whitaker made Oscar miss a lot, and that's an understatement. Whitaker did enough to win with his offense imo. Whitaker's jab and pitter pat punch as you put up still racked up points in my book. As said, isn't that the name of the game? Hit and not get hit. He was always a master of that. Oscar on the other hand was flurrying to win the round when he heard the 10 second warning while looking horrendous the rest of many rounds. Now how is that winning?
And that's pretty much what a lot of the rounds look like against Whitaker, now how is that beating Whitaker by 3 or 4 points? Whitaker landed more and at a higher connect percentage, plus Oscar missing alot. That's pretty much a Whitaker victory in my book.
As for the Trinidad fight, it can be disputed no doubt. The Shane Mosley fight, the one in 2000 he clearly lost, even Oscar said so himself that he lost in some interview years ago. You can argue he deserves the 2nd against Mosley that fight is disputed by many fans and I gave the fight to him. But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak. Even if I give Oscar the Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight he's still 2-4 against them. And he had almost every considerable advantage against guys like Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao and the 1st Mosley fight but still lost, that's the reality. Those 4 fights outcome can't be disputed. The Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight yes it can be argued, not the others.
It's part of the game. There's also something called effective punching. Whitaker landed more punches overall. But 70% of them were jabs. Most of them that weak, keep away from me jab. De La Hoya pressed the fight all night. He landed twice the power shots Whitaker did. There wasn't a great amount of noticeable shots landed that night. But damn near all that were, were landed by De La Hoya. Whitaker also spend a lot of the fight just clowning and hot dogging. Defense counts. Showboating doesn't. You knock Oscar for giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Yet what did Whitaker do in round 12 against Oscar? Nothing. He posed. Stuck his tongue out. Showboated a little. But did no fighting. Shit goes both ways
You got Oscar going 0-6 against the ATG's. Officially you say. How the hell can that be? Officially he has a win against Whitaker. Why ain't you counting that one? He's clearly an ATG. As is Julio Cesar Chavez. Whitaker wasn't in his prime when he met De La Hoya. But don't tell he still didn't have something left
On the Whitaker fight, I guess we're going to disagree on that. All I saw was that Whitaker made him miss a lot and got his punches in, even if they were weak jabs as you say, Whitaker in total punches landed and connect percentage his was higher overall. Now Oscar landed more on power shots but they were still too far and in between for me to give the rounds to Oscar and I can't really justify giving rounds to Oscar when he heard the 10 second warning and decided to flurry and try to win the rounds like that.
As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
ODLH has a better record than Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Oscar is garbage, maybe the most overhype fighter of all time next to tyson. ;D
I wish Koysta would of fought Oscar. ;)
this comment alone lets everyone know how much of a moron you really are ;D;), the only time garbage should be mentioned with DLH's name is when referring to the version of DLH that Pacquiao beat, and the garbage decisions that were rewarded to Tito and Shane in the rematch, unlike Manny DLH won his championships without catchweights or "advantages", and it'll always go down in history that
Pacquiao had to fight a weight drained shot DLH to be able to beat him
which was a great idea of oscar himself until he got in with a real ATG and got whoop on.
and seems that Manny is running with the idea again cause he refuses to face Martinez anywhere but 147, again weight draining an opponent, either way 154 and up and Sergio Martinez makes both Floyd Jr and Manny his bitches for the evening, Martinez is the true p4p #1
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As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.
That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.
This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.
At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...
I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.
And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"
The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.
If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?
As you know the name of the game is hit and not get hit. Whitaker made Oscar miss a lot, and that's an understatement. Whitaker did enough to win with his offense imo. Whitaker's jab and pitter pat punch as you put up still racked up points in my book. As said, isn't that the name of the game? Hit and not get hit. He was always a master of that. Oscar on the other hand was flurrying to win the round when he heard the 10 second warning while looking horrendous the rest of many rounds. Now how is that winning?
And that's pretty much what a lot of the rounds look like against Whitaker, now how is that beating Whitaker by 3 or 4 points? Whitaker landed more and at a higher connect percentage, plus Oscar missing alot. That's pretty much a Whitaker victory in my book.
As for the Trinidad fight, it can be disputed no doubt. The Shane Mosley fight, the one in 2000 he clearly lost, even Oscar said so himself that he lost in some interview years ago. You can argue he deserves the 2nd against Mosley that fight is disputed by many fans and I gave the fight to him. But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak. Even if I give Oscar the Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight he's still 2-4 against them. And he had almost every considerable advantage against guys like Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao and the 1st Mosley fight but still lost, that's the reality. Those 4 fights outcome can't be disputed. The Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight yes it can be argued, not the others.
It's part of the game. There's also something called effective punching. Whitaker landed more punches overall. But 70% of them were jabs. Most of them that weak, keep away from me jab. De La Hoya pressed the fight all night. He landed twice the power shots Whitaker did. There wasn't a great amount of noticeable shots landed that night. But damn near all that were, were landed by De La Hoya. Whitaker also spend a lot of the fight just clowning and hot dogging. Defense counts. Showboating doesn't. You knock Oscar for giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Yet what did Whitaker do in round 12 against Oscar? Nothing. He posed. Stuck his tongue out. Showboated a little. But did no fighting. Shit goes both ways
You got Oscar going 0-6 against the ATG's. Officially you say. How the hell can that be? Officially he has a win against Whitaker. Why ain't you counting that one? He's clearly an ATG. As is Julio Cesar Chavez. Whitaker wasn't in his prime when he met De La Hoya. But don't tell he still didn't have something left
On the Whitaker fight, I guess we're going to disagree on that. All I saw was that Whitaker made him miss a lot and got his punches in, even if they were weak jabs as you say, Whitaker in total punches landed and connect percentage his was higher overall. Now Oscar landed more on power shots but they were still too far and in between for me to give the rounds to Oscar and I can't really justify giving rounds to Oscar when he heard the 10 second warning and decided to flurry and try to win the rounds like that.
As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
ODLH has a better record than Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Personally I think ODLH RESUME is the best in boxing for the last 25 years. He pretty much fought everybody and did well against everybody too. I actually think he won against Sweet Pea, Quartey, Mosley (2nd fight), definitely Tito, did very well against Floyd and in hindsight was doing amazingly against Hopkins too. I say in hindsight vs Hopkins because I thought at the time that Hopkins was going to show his very advanced age that night ;D .
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As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.
That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.
This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.
At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...
I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.
And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"
The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.
If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?
As you know the name of the game is hit and not get hit. Whitaker made Oscar miss a lot, and that's an understatement. Whitaker did enough to win with his offense imo. Whitaker's jab and pitter pat punch as you put up still racked up points in my book. As said, isn't that the name of the game? Hit and not get hit. He was always a master of that. Oscar on the other hand was flurrying to win the round when he heard the 10 second warning while looking horrendous the rest of many rounds. Now how is that winning?
And that's pretty much what a lot of the rounds look like against Whitaker, now how is that beating Whitaker by 3 or 4 points? Whitaker landed more and at a higher connect percentage, plus Oscar missing alot. That's pretty much a Whitaker victory in my book.
As for the Trinidad fight, it can be disputed no doubt. The Shane Mosley fight, the one in 2000 he clearly lost, even Oscar said so himself that he lost in some interview years ago. You can argue he deserves the 2nd against Mosley that fight is disputed by many fans and I gave the fight to him. But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak. Even if I give Oscar the Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight he's still 2-4 against them. And he had almost every considerable advantage against guys like Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao and the 1st Mosley fight but still lost, that's the reality. Those 4 fights outcome can't be disputed. The Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight yes it can be argued, not the others.
It's part of the game. There's also something called effective punching. Whitaker landed more punches overall. But 70% of them were jabs. Most of them that weak, keep away from me jab. De La Hoya pressed the fight all night. He landed twice the power shots Whitaker did. There wasn't a great amount of noticeable shots landed that night. But damn near all that were, were landed by De La Hoya. Whitaker also spend a lot of the fight just clowning and hot dogging. Defense counts. Showboating doesn't. You knock Oscar for giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Yet what did Whitaker do in round 12 against Oscar? Nothing. He posed. Stuck his tongue out. Showboated a little. But did no fighting. Shit goes both ways
You got Oscar going 0-6 against the ATG's. Officially you say. How the hell can that be? Officially he has a win against Whitaker. Why ain't you counting that one? He's clearly an ATG. As is Julio Cesar Chavez. Whitaker wasn't in his prime when he met De La Hoya. But don't tell he still didn't have something left
On the Whitaker fight, I guess we're going to disagree on that. All I saw was that Whitaker made him miss a lot and got his punches in, even if they were weak jabs as you say, Whitaker in total punches landed and connect percentage his was higher overall. Now Oscar landed more on power shots but they were still too far and in between for me to give the rounds to Oscar and I can't really justify giving rounds to Oscar when he heard the 10 second warning and decided to flurry and try to win the rounds like that.
As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
ODLH has a better record than Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Please explain.
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Jesse James Leija
Arturo Gatti
Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez x2
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
David Kamau
Ike Quartey
Oba Carr
Fernando Vargas
Yori Boy Campas
Ricardo Mayorga
Wilfredo Rivera
Hector Camacho
Deserved wins vs Trinidad, Mosley 2,
6 world titles in 6 weightclasses.
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As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.
That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.
This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.
At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...
I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.
And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"
The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.
If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?
As you know the name of the game is hit and not get hit. Whitaker made Oscar miss a lot, and that's an understatement. Whitaker did enough to win with his offense imo. Whitaker's jab and pitter pat punch as you put up still racked up points in my book. As said, isn't that the name of the game? Hit and not get hit. He was always a master of that. Oscar on the other hand was flurrying to win the round when he heard the 10 second warning while looking horrendous the rest of many rounds. Now how is that winning?
And that's pretty much what a lot of the rounds look like against Whitaker, now how is that beating Whitaker by 3 or 4 points? Whitaker landed more and at a higher connect percentage, plus Oscar missing alot. That's pretty much a Whitaker victory in my book.
As for the Trinidad fight, it can be disputed no doubt. The Shane Mosley fight, the one in 2000 he clearly lost, even Oscar said so himself that he lost in some interview years ago. You can argue he deserves the 2nd against Mosley that fight is disputed by many fans and I gave the fight to him. But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak. Even if I give Oscar the Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight he's still 2-4 against them. And he had almost every considerable advantage against guys like Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao and the 1st Mosley fight but still lost, that's the reality. Those 4 fights outcome can't be disputed. The Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight yes it can be argued, not the others.
It's part of the game. There's also something called effective punching. Whitaker landed more punches overall. But 70% of them were jabs. Most of them that weak, keep away from me jab. De La Hoya pressed the fight all night. He landed twice the power shots Whitaker did. There wasn't a great amount of noticeable shots landed that night. But damn near all that were, were landed by De La Hoya. Whitaker also spend a lot of the fight just clowning and hot dogging. Defense counts. Showboating doesn't. You knock Oscar for giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Yet what did Whitaker do in round 12 against Oscar? Nothing. He posed. Stuck his tongue out. Showboated a little. But did no fighting. Shit goes both ways
You got Oscar going 0-6 against the ATG's. Officially you say. How the hell can that be? Officially he has a win against Whitaker. Why ain't you counting that one? He's clearly an ATG. As is Julio Cesar Chavez. Whitaker wasn't in his prime when he met De La Hoya. But don't tell he still didn't have something left
On the Whitaker fight, I guess we're going to disagree on that. All I saw was that Whitaker made him miss a lot and got his punches in, even if they were weak jabs as you say, Whitaker in total punches landed and connect percentage his was higher overall. Now Oscar landed more on power shots but they were still too far and in between for me to give the rounds to Oscar and I can't really justify giving rounds to Oscar when he heard the 10 second warning and decided to flurry and try to win the rounds like that.
As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
ODLH has a better record than Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Jesse James Leija
Arturo Gatti
Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez x2
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
David Kamau
Ike Quartey
Oba Carr
Fernando Vargas
Yori Boy Campas
Ricardo Mayorga
Wilfredo Rivera
Hector Camacho
Deserved wins vs Trinidad, Mosley 2,
6 world titles in 6 weightclasses.
Floyd Mayweather
Genaro Hernandez (and at his natural weight class)
Jose Luis Castillo 2x
Diego Corrales (undefeated, in his prime and top 5 p4p at the time)
Ricky Hatton (undefeated, top 10 p4p)
Oscar himself (at a weight that Oscar was comfortable in)
Sugar Shane Mosley (no. 1 welter at the time and was top 5 p4p)
JMM (after almost a 2 year absence, returned and dominated him who was top 2 p4p)
Zab Judah
Angel Manfreddy
Arturo Gatti
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Philip Ndou
5 world titles in 5 weight classes also 3 time lineal champion in 3 weight classes.
BTW I think we should stick to the official record, not what you think if Oscar won this or that fight. You say he deserve the 2nd Mosley fight and Trinidad. If so a lot of people thought Quartey and Whitaker won in those fights, not to mention the Sturm fight. But I'm just going by official record.
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As Teddy Atlas once said about Oscar De La Hoya, "He finds a way to screw up his big fights and lose." I have Pac beating him just on that. Against All Time Great fighters that were in their prime or still had something he finds a way to mess it up even with everything in his favor.
That's what history said. So a prime Oscar loses to prime Manny based on that.
This really is food for thought. Oscar just couldn't seem to drop the hammer in his biggest fights could he? I mean I though he deserved no better than a draw with Sweet Pea and for whatever reason he didn't fight twelve rounds with Tito. Then again he finished strong with Ike.
At a minimum this makes me think Oscar has to just blow him away. If Manny can stay in the fight...
I was thinking the same also. Can Oscar blow out Manny in a few rounds? History says no with Manny's heart and resiliency, unless someone wants to argue that Manny was prime when he got ko by bums in the late 90s as prime. History on the other hand has said that Oscar does not do well with ATG figthers in their prime or had something left. Tito, Hopkins, Floyd, Manny, Mosley, etc. Even the Sweetpea victory is highly disputed and Sweetpea was 33 and slipping. And while Ike was a very good fighter, I would be very hesitant to call him an all time great, at most an hall of famer. Even that fight was close as hell.
And as someone once said, "Which all time great fighter did Oscar beat in their prime or had something left?"
The fact that Oscar was robbed against Trinidad and Mosley shouldn't be held against him. Yes he made a mistake by giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Who cares? A fight is judge on rounds won. Not a fighters bad game plan. Oscar deserved the win. And really why people even think the whitaker fight is disputed is beyond me. Despite the bullshit kd Oscar still won by 3 or 4 points. Whitaker defense for that fight was amazing. He had Oscar looking foolish at times. At the same time is offense was horrendus. Jab and a pitter pat punch was all it was. How did anybody think he was winning rounds like that? Or that, that deserve to win them.
If one is gonna asked who Oscar beat that was in his prime than one should ask who Pacquiao beat in his prime?
As you know the name of the game is hit and not get hit. Whitaker made Oscar miss a lot, and that's an understatement. Whitaker did enough to win with his offense imo. Whitaker's jab and pitter pat punch as you put up still racked up points in my book. As said, isn't that the name of the game? Hit and not get hit. He was always a master of that. Oscar on the other hand was flurrying to win the round when he heard the 10 second warning while looking horrendous the rest of many rounds. Now how is that winning?
And that's pretty much what a lot of the rounds look like against Whitaker, now how is that beating Whitaker by 3 or 4 points? Whitaker landed more and at a higher connect percentage, plus Oscar missing alot. That's pretty much a Whitaker victory in my book.
As for the Trinidad fight, it can be disputed no doubt. The Shane Mosley fight, the one in 2000 he clearly lost, even Oscar said so himself that he lost in some interview years ago. You can argue he deserves the 2nd against Mosley that fight is disputed by many fans and I gave the fight to him. But all I know on his official record is this. 0-1 Trinidad, 0-2 Mosley, 0-1 Hopkins, 0-1 Mayweather, 0-1 Pacquiao. He is 0-6 against all time great fighters at their peak or near their peak. Even if I give Oscar the Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight he's still 2-4 against them. And he had almost every considerable advantage against guys like Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao and the 1st Mosley fight but still lost, that's the reality. Those 4 fights outcome can't be disputed. The Trinidad and 2nd Mosley fight yes it can be argued, not the others.
It's part of the game. There's also something called effective punching. Whitaker landed more punches overall. But 70% of them were jabs. Most of them that weak, keep away from me jab. De La Hoya pressed the fight all night. He landed twice the power shots Whitaker did. There wasn't a great amount of noticeable shots landed that night. But damn near all that were, were landed by De La Hoya. Whitaker also spend a lot of the fight just clowning and hot dogging. Defense counts. Showboating doesn't. You knock Oscar for giving up the last rounds against Trinidad. Yet what did Whitaker do in round 12 against Oscar? Nothing. He posed. Stuck his tongue out. Showboated a little. But did no fighting. Shit goes both ways
You got Oscar going 0-6 against the ATG's. Officially you say. How the hell can that be? Officially he has a win against Whitaker. Why ain't you counting that one? He's clearly an ATG. As is Julio Cesar Chavez. Whitaker wasn't in his prime when he met De La Hoya. But don't tell he still didn't have something left
On the Whitaker fight, I guess we're going to disagree on that. All I saw was that Whitaker made him miss a lot and got his punches in, even if they were weak jabs as you say, Whitaker in total punches landed and connect percentage his was higher overall. Now Oscar landed more on power shots but they were still too far and in between for me to give the rounds to Oscar and I can't really justify giving rounds to Oscar when he heard the 10 second warning and decided to flurry and try to win the rounds like that.
As for Oscar's official record then if you add in the JCC and Whitaker fights to the other 6 fights it's still 2-6 against all time greats. He lost more than he won. Yes he's an all time great for his accomplishments overall in his career, but he's not up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao or even 80s legends like Leonard the Golden boy of boxing in his day. Oscar you can say is a bigger star and has a bigger bank account, but he's not up there with them in terms of legacy or accomplishment. Just my 2 cents.
ODLH has a better record than Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Please explain.
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Jesse James Leija
Arturo Gatti
Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez x2
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
David Kamau
Ike Quartey
Oba Carr
Fernando Vargas
Yori Boy Campas
Ricardo Mayorga
Wilfredo Rivera
Hector Camacho
Deserved wins vs Trinidad, Mosley 2,
6 world titles in 6 weightclasses.
Floyd Mayweather
Genaro Hernandez (and at his natural weight class)
Jose Luis Castillo 2x
Diego Corrales (undefeated, in his prime and top 5 p4p at the time)
Ricky Hatton (undefeated, top 10 p4p)
Oscar himself (at a weight that Oscar was comfortable in)
Sugar Shane Mosley (no. 1 welter at the time and was top 5 p4p)
JMM (after almost a 2 year absence, returned and dominated him who was top 2 p4p)
Zab Judah
Angel Manfreddy
Arturo Gatti
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Philip Ndou
5 world titles in 5 weight classes also 3 time lineal champion in 3 weight classes.
BTW I think we should stick to the official record, not what you think if Oscar won this or that fight. You say he deserve the 2nd Mosley fight and Trinidad. If so a lot of people thought Quartey and Whitaker won in those fights, not to mention the Sturm fight. But I'm just going by official record.
How is that better than ODLH's record ? ODLH beat better versions of Hernandez, Gatti. And also fought a prime Shane Mosley not the version who is gassed after 2 rounds, and can't beat Sergio Mora convincingly.
JMM was considered a warm up fight for Floyd Mayweather Jr, everyone knows JMM does not belong at Welterweight and had to move 2 weightclasses. And was way out of his depth and looked fleshy around the midsection. A total mismatch which should of never happened really.
Chavez, Manfredy, Hernandez, were all solid contenders, but don't really compare to guys like Camacho, Vargas, Quartey.
Phillip N'Dou was average, Zab Judah was coming off a loss to Carlos Baldomir. And outside of the one win vs Cory Spinks, lost to every elite Welterweight.
Ricky Hatton was at his best at 140 not 147, he would of beat him at any weight. But Manny Pacquiao done it in much better fashion at Ricky Hatton's weightclass, a good win but it would of been more impressive at 140.
ODLH was a part time fighter at the point, he only fought 3 times in 3 years, and still gave Floyd Mayweather Jr at competitive fight. Although he gassed in the later rounds, a good win but it would be a bit different if were talking about the late 90s ODLH.
No debate with guys like Corrales, Castillo, were rated high. And were considered top fighters when Floyd Mayweather Jr beat them.
As for your last comment, there's a difference between winning razor thin close decisions aka Whitaker, Quartey. Than getting robbed and outlanding your opponent 2 to 1 aka Mosley 2, Trinidad.
Total Punches Trinidad De La Hoya Landed 116 263
Power Punches Trinidad De La Hoya Landed 124 120
Total Punches Mosley DeLaHoya Landed 127 221 Thrown 496 616 Pct. 26% 36%
Power Punches Mosley DeLaHoya Landed 94 115 Thrown 228 320 Pct. 41% 36%
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I was just watching some ODLH fights again, and i was just wondering how he would of done against Manny Pacquiao in his prime. I personally think he would of won, ODLH had enough power, speed, movement, chin, and boxing skill to beat Manny Pacquiao.
I agree Oscar would beat Pac but it would be a difficult fight because of Pacs speed. Oscars edge over most opponents was speed but take that away and his skills werent all that. He was one of the best but compared to some of the slicksters he was abit robotic in compasrisson. Mosley made him look abit stiff in the 1st fight and Mosley has never been a smooth boxer.
I'd give him the edge because of his good left hand and his height. We saw a washed up Oscar could absorb everything Pac threw at him so I reckon if he had the strength to punch back he could give Pac abit of a lesson.
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As for your last comment, there's a difference between winning razor thin close decisions aka Whitaker, Quartey. Than getting robbed and outlanding your opponent 2 to 1 aka Mosley 2, Trinidad.
Total Punches Trinidad De La Hoya Landed 116 263
Power Punches Trinidad De La Hoya Landed 124 120
Total Punches Mosley DeLaHoya Landed 127 221 Thrown 496 616 Pct. 26% 36%
Power Punches Mosley DeLaHoya Landed 94 115 Thrown 228 320 Pct. 41% 36%
Excellent point in which many don't know the difference.
