Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?

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Originally Posted by LukeH

I dont get how most people thought that Berto was better for Pac than Mosley, but to some the thought of Mayweather fighting the man who beat Berto is terrible.

Also i've no idea about the authenticity of it but a quick google search suggests Roger Mayweather say's Floyd has a 'deal' with the Cowboy's stadiums owner.

Mayweather Targets Miguel Cotto, Victor Ortiz for Tune-Up Fight ...

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If Mayweather agreed to fight Pacquiao in the second negotiation instead of taking a vacation, then there would not have been a need for another tune-up.

We need to keep perspective on taking a Ortiz, who was giving little chance to get by Berto and kinda dismissed in career. He won that fight on resurgent grit, straight shots and heart along with Berto choking and there to have glaring flaws exposed all along. Great win and deserves mega payday but this is again Floyd riding Mannys media coat tails and Floyd picking through the pieces to keep his name in the now. Ortiz is still Ortiz in style and flaws himself. I think Floyd plays with him and then thumps his own chest the loudest, again.

Say what you want about this, but it's a hell of a lot more legit than Pac/Mosley. Ortiz is a good young fighter, arguably in his prime and riding a huge win. Mosley was outclassed by Mayweather and put up such a horrible performance against Mora that even the biggest Mosley fans believe he's washed up.

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Originally Posted by KKisser

that is one of my worries though. if people start buying this one as a floyd tune-up for the big one and it does well financially, i have this creeping feeling we'll hear another retirement announcement from him afterwards.

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i am a HUUUGGEEEEE mayweather fan.....but i take a big ass shit on this fight, ortiz is good, but he is not ripe yet, maybe it will do something for floods legacy once both of their careers are all wrapped up, but it does nothing for him now as ortiz is not exactly accomplished, i really wanna see manny vs floyd, i feel bad for osama, he will never got to see it

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?

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Well, it was a tune up to Pacquiao untill Manny shit his pants at the thought of drug testing. So he took on the same fighter that Manny is having to dust down as an opponent over a year later;D

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Say what you want about this, but it's a hell of a lot more legit than Pac/Mosley. Ortiz is a good young fighter, arguably in his prime and riding a huge win. Mosley was outclassed by Mayweather and put up such a horrible performance against Mora that even the biggest Mosley fans believe he's washed up.

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I honestly feel Mosley would have beaten up Berto to. Ortiz deserves the big fight.....Mayweather needs to stop jerking his fans around I believe.

Ortiz has no lateral movement whatsoever, I can't believe people think this would be a tough fight for Floyd.

Floyd on Ortiz?

Come on Ortiz is up and coming guy, i guess its to much for him for Floyd

I dont buy this shit yes hes younger maybe more stronger and heart, but again hes just average young coming up, coming up from a Bertos win? he he he

Imo i see another Floyd Jr.-Gatti in the making, and the worst case scenario ORTIZ will just quit.;D

Hate the idea of this fight, despite being a Mayweather fan. Getting tired of the run around. Point blank, its a foregone conclusion that Mayweather wants to pick Ortiz clean of his title. While I don't think that Ortiz should be protected, He's the type of fighter that Boxing needs with a title right now. A guy that stepped up to a challenge worked on his game, found his heart and was rewarded richly for it.
Mayweather right now is not what boxing needs.. he gets the belt which is enough to keep him in a pound for pound running while he retires with it and sits around idle for another few months, talking crap from behind a webcam. I'd be in no rush to see this ones.. given how this waters down everything even further. Sorry Floyd, wake me when you're serious about sticking around or making a statement besides "Hi remember me?"

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?

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Well, it was a tune up to Pacquiao untill Manny shit his pants at the thought of drug testing. So he took on the same fighter that Manny is having to dust down as an opponent over a year later;D

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Although I understand Manny's position in not giving in to Floyd's demand in the first negotiation, I had wished that he just called in the bluff for I really do not think that Mayweather wants to fight him. This was revealed in the second negotiation. What is Floyd's excuse in that negotiation ..... that he is going on vacation? THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED FOR A TUNE-UP IF HE AGREED TO FIGHT THEN!!! Floyd scheduling a fight a few days before a Pacquiao fight gives him an excuse for people not to clamor that he fights Pacquiao.

to soon for ortiz I think, give the kid a couple more big fights but not against mayweather yet. Who knows tho ortiz is a tough fucker, call him a quiter for the maidana fight but he was kded three times and taking some hellacious shots. Either ortiz would manage to pull off something close to a miracle and beat floyd into submission, or the more likely scenario is floyd does his usual and wins a ud.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

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Originally Posted by mafiajoey

Don't jump down my back for assuming Box Rec always has the facts straight. But......they do have Floyd and Victor fighting on the 17th in Cowboys Stadium. Please tell me why Cowboys Stadium? Isn't this Arum's turf? And Victor and Floyd aren't connected or going to do favors for Arum. Anyone have any ideas?

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Floyd will be lucky to sell 20000 tickets and the stadium will be look empty.

Floyds fights only sell well when he is faceing a well known big name.

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proof of this?

I can't believe this thread is going to be more than 2 pages.

HOW in the world is this a conversation???

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by porkypara

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Originally Posted by mafiajoey

Don't jump down my back for assuming Box Rec always has the facts straight. But......they do have Floyd and Victor fighting on the 17th in Cowboys Stadium. Please tell me why Cowboys Stadium? Isn't this Arum's turf? And Victor and Floyd aren't connected or going to do favors for Arum. Anyone have any ideas?

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Floyd will be lucky to sell 20000 tickets and the stadium will be look empty.

Floyds fights only sell well when he is faceing a well known big name.

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Baldomir isn't a well known name and that fight sold fine, Marquez barely sold 4,000 tickets for his fight with Katsidis and his fight with Mayweather sold out, so don't come with that little golden line of bullshit

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Now Floyd is certainly a mega PPV draw, but for the live gate he hasn't sold out unless he had an elite "big name opponent" that is a live gate draw. I only know of two live gate sellouts for Mayweather and that is DLH and Mosley. I'm inclined to agree with the poster.

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The Floyd Mayweather-Juan Manuel Marquez fight at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas still are pending, but the live gate totaled $6,811,300, according to figures filed Thursday Sept. 24, 2009 by Golden Boy Promotions with the Nevada Athletic Commission.

The live gate was based on 12,009 tickets sold from a total of 13,116 distributed.

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