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I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
Hmm. Are you trying to be insulting?
It will take more than suggesting that I am good looking and smell nice to do that. But having said that I will certainly never stoop as low as to rim Manny Pacquiao nor allow myself to be buggered by the aforementioned midget. I will leave those cuddly acts to you. Enjoy.
What are you talking about?
Miles is a new slang for a gay guy.
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I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
Hmm. Are you trying to be insulting?
It will take more than suggesting that I am good looking and smell nice to do that. But having said that I will certainly never stoop as low as to rim Manny Pacquiao nor allow myself to be buggered by the aforementioned midget. I will leave those cuddly acts to you. Enjoy.
What are you talking about?
Miles is a new slang for a gay guy.
Oh, silly me.
And I thought Julius Rains was the cockney expression for "Go on guv, please bugger me senseless". The world is seemingly full of these little coincidences.
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Re: all the gun talk...
If you'd pulled a gun and shot those guys in Canada, you would've been the one who ended up getting charged with a crime... Kinda fucked up in some ways...
There was this story a while ago about a guy whose business kept getting broken into. He had gone to the cops, who proved impotent as usual, and as such he decided to sleep in his shop with a baseball bat. Sure enough, at some point it gets broken into, he beats the guy with the bat and he gets charged with assault... Might be an urban legend, but I'm sure I read about it in the news.
Anyways ICB, glad you're safe. Confrontations like that are a bitch.
Well, it's not an urban legend for these Korean immigrants. During the '92 LA riots, their stores were broken into and incurred a lot of looting and damage. They got pissed and started shooting at the looters and were charged with assault with a firearm and attempted murder. As Lyle would say, "Those goddamn liberal cocksuckers and their shitty laws!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5tt...?v=-L5ttIHV12s
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Well Miles just because there are laws against guns in England doesnt mean the criminals are following those laws. Getting sliced up with a knife is pretty much the same if not worse for me. You could always get a taser if your against guns. Ice were you carrying a bunch of cash on you? Were they looking crazy? I also thought England had those cameras basically on every corner. You gotta think why would they pull an assault on someone for pocket change.
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I remember when two guys pulled a knife on my mate back in school. Soft cocks, I walked up and was like "he aint going to do shit but im going to flog the fuck out of you both !!! " and they looked at me and showed the knife and i laughed and said something like "you gotta one shot with that knife and then im going to shove it up your arse !!!! " and the walked off lol In hind sight I was one stupid fuck, would never do that now days. Those guys were bad cunts, had a rep for catching people unaware and beating the crap out of them with little steel bats. But i did know I had backup if needed as one of my boxer mates was just a couple of metres away watching on and told me later if they had of started he was in gonna be in straight away so that would of helped.
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Well Miles just because there are laws against guns in England doesnt mean the criminals are following those laws. Getting sliced up with a knife is pretty much the same if not worse for me. You could always get a taser if your against guns. Ice were you carrying a bunch of cash on you? Were they looking crazy? I also thought England had those cameras basically on every corner. You gotta think why would they pull an assault on someone for pocket change.
Getting a knife pulled is just as terrible as having a gun pulled, but all I am saying is that Ice having a gun in his pocket wouldn't have helped much if they stabbed him in the liver whilst trying to reach for it. If you are walking around with a knife or a gun in England then you are breaking the law, so the best you can do really is carry some pepper spray and get them in the eyes. But Ice did the right thing, he got out in one piece. The most dangerous people in the UK are the under 18's.
I know I was being a bit weird listening to David Icke yesterday, but he sounded right when he was talking about it being intentional to isolate people and break up the family. This has been a gradual process, so what you have today are terrifying groups of young ammoral young people who resemble characters from A clockwork Orange. They have either grown up in single parent households or where both parents have needed to work, there is typically alcohol and drug abuse and emotional neglect and in turn they are becoming savage and isolated too. What you emerge with are the kinds of societies we have in the UK and America. Lowly nihilistic chavs that perpetuate the misery and violence. We have council estates and chavs, America has its ghetto's. Of course, there is a wide middle class, but in both countries that is being decimated. British take home pay is now back to what it was in 2005. There is a rot and with austerity, everything is gradually being taken away.
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But that is not to say that I am defending people who pull knives on Ice, not at all. They are obviously dicks, but you tend to see this kind of behaviour from the lower classes. Mass fraud is commited by the elite, whilst the poor just take drugs and pull knives and guns on people. There are exceptions, but I think this is the general rule. David Icke says so. Maybe.
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Glad you are okay, Ice. Sounds like a really scary situation.
And what's with all this silly macho talk about guns? What if they threatened Ice with a gun first and he was just stood there with a gun in his pocket? What use would it have served then? And they could very well have shot him whilst running away.
The lack of guns in the UK is one of its better qualities. The fact that there are no guns out here and people are generally quite passive is partly what makes me feel completely safe.
If you American's are happy with your guns, then fair enough I am not going to try and change that. But most countries are happy without them and function more than effectively too.
What's "macho" about not being subject to whims of scum??????
This isn't the wild west, it's England.
Guns are not an acceptable solution in our culture. If guns were freely available Ice might well have been at the mercy of a gun himself and the fall out could have been far worse.
I am just glad it was only a knife and that he was athletic enough to get away.
A) You didn't answer the question
B) What if he hadn't been athletic enough? What if he'd been injured or tired or a little older? A knife is a lethal weapon. You're ok at your fellow citizens being at the whim of armed scum?
a) I didn't even realise it was a question with the smilie things going on. I like your rhetorical style, but your question could have been framed a little better. Having given it a second I get the gist though. :p
I guess it would be great if he had a gun to counter the thugs, but this is England things are quite different. My point is that if Ice had a gun, then it would be more likely the thugs would have had a gun too and they would be aiming first.
b) I am not happy about what Ice experienced, but it was a very unusual situation and not something most of us have gone through. He could well have got hurt, but how would having a gun in his pocket help him? He could reach his hand in and have three bullets in his brain. I could counter it and say look at America. Ice got away and the thugs had a little knife. Look at how Vernon Forrest went out and we know of him because he is famous. It is happening everyday.
A culture with too many guns is not something I approve of. I know some of the American's on here will disagree and this is an argument that has been hashed out many times before. I live in a society with no guns, feel safe and am quite happy in the knowledge that nobody will shoot me. Not even the police. Some societies are really quite relaxed and safe. In comparison even England seems like a gangsters paradise compared to where I live.
There is no reason to believe that if IBC had a gun the thugs would as well. But if the thugs even thought he MIGHT they'd likely move on. Guys like that aren't warriors they are scavengers.
My own personal experience is my guns may have saved my life on two occasions.
The problem is NEVER EVER guns! They are just a tool. A decent man with a gun troubles me not at all. A guy with bad intentions with a knife or a club or a hammer or a boxcutter or a sap or a baseball bat or a tire iron is a far bigger problem. It is the GUY, not the tool that is the issue.
The difference between you and me is I also feel perfectly safe. But it is because I AM perfectly safe. I can enforce my safety. You are only safe at the whim of scum.
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I think the point Miles is making is that if you allow guns, it won't only be the good citizens who have them.
Look at nuclear weapons. What would be better? A world where every country had them so as to defend themselves, or a world where nobody had them?
I know you would best like option 3) Just America has them, but we can't implement a gun law that only allows potential victims to carry them.
There can be ZERO question that the existence of nuclear weapons has saved many, many, many lives. The single time they were used they probably saved 2 million lives, mostly Japanese. They have also limited those that had them to far smaller proxy wars rather than the total destruction of societies we saw in WWi and WWII. As far as nukes go I am fine with folks like the Brits and French and the having them. I'd be ok with Canada and the Swedes and the Brazilians and the Japanese as well. The problem isn't nukes, it's bad guys.
The notion that criminals are bound by laws is astonishingly silly. The definition of a criminal is one who disregards laws!
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Glad you are okay, Ice. Sounds like a really scary situation.
And what's with all this silly macho talk about guns? What if they threatened Ice with a gun first and he was just stood there with a gun in his pocket? What use would it have served then? And they could very well have shot him whilst running away.
The lack of guns in the UK is one of its better qualities. The fact that there are no guns out here and people are generally quite passive is partly what makes me feel completely safe.
If you American's are happy with your guns, then fair enough I am not going to try and change that. But most countries are happy without them and function more than effectively too.
What's "macho" about not being subject to whims of scum??????
This isn't the wild west, it's England.
Guns are not an acceptable solution in our culture. If guns were freely available Ice might well have been at the mercy of a gun himself and the fall out could have been far worse.
I am just glad it was only a knife and that he was athletic enough to get away.
A) You didn't answer the question
B) What if he hadn't been athletic enough? What if he'd been injured or tired or a little older? A knife is a lethal weapon. You're ok at your fellow citizens being at the whim of armed scum?
a) I didn't even realise it was a question with the smilie things going on. I like your rhetorical style, but your question could have been framed a little better. Having given it a second I get the gist though. :p
I guess it would be great if he had a gun to counter the thugs, but this is England things are quite different. My point is that if Ice had a gun, then it would be more likely the thugs would have had a gun too and they would be aiming first.
b) I am not happy about what Ice experienced, but it was a very unusual situation and not something most of us have gone through. He could well have got hurt, but how would having a gun in his pocket help him? He could reach his hand in and have three bullets in his brain. I could counter it and say look at America. Ice got away and the thugs had a little knife. Look at how Vernon Forrest went out and we know of him because he is famous. It is happening everyday.
A culture with too many guns is not something I approve of. I know some of the American's on here will disagree and this is an argument that has been hashed out many times before. I live in a society with no guns, feel safe and am quite happy in the knowledge that nobody will shoot me. Not even the police. Some societies are really quite relaxed and safe. In comparison even England seems like a gangsters paradise compared to where I live.
There is no reason to believe that if IBC had a gun the thugs would as well. But if the thugs even thought he MIGHT they'd likely move on. Guys like that aren't warriors they are scavengers.
My own personal experience is my guns may have saved my life on two occasions.
The problem is NEVER EVER guns! They are just a tool. A decent man with a gun troubles me not at all. A guy with bad intentions with a knife or a club or a hammer or a boxcutter or a sap or a baseball bat or a tire iron is a far bigger problem. It is the GUY, not the tool that is the issue.
The difference between you and me is I also feel perfectly safe. But it is because I AM perfectly safe. I can enforce my safety. You are only safe at the whim of scum.
I am safe because I choose to live in a place where assault, murder etc are relatively uncommon crimes. Perhaps the fact that you need to carry weapons around with you is a sign that your society has some serious problems and that you are living in undesirable places. I have never had a knife pulled on me nor been threatened with a gun. I have lived in a couple of rather dodgy areas in the UK, but even then I have never experienced any massive problems. However, I can see why it might be useful to take precautions ie pepper spray in those environments. But living in Korea, I can honestly say that as a man, I have never felt anything less than safe. Nobody is going to threaten me with a knife or anything like that. The minute I ever encounter any danger I will revise my opinion, but 8 years and so far so good. I see few signs of that changing.
I think the fact that the family bond is still so strong here, the fact that most people live in high apartments, the fact that teenagers have to study so much and the lack of drugs, means that society is relatively stable. Somehow it all just seems to work out here. No guns and little violence. Knives are out there, but nobody uses them. Kids have woodcutter knives in their pencil cases, nobody batters an eyelid and nobody gets stabbed. Of course, there is crime here, but none of that burglary to pay for the heroin nonsense. The most usual crime is tax evasion and road safety violations.
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Glad you are okay, Ice. Sounds like a really scary situation.
And what's with all this silly macho talk about guns? What if they threatened Ice with a gun first and he was just stood there with a gun in his pocket? What use would it have served then? And they could very well have shot him whilst running away.
The lack of guns in the UK is one of its better qualities. The fact that there are no guns out here and people are generally quite passive is partly what makes me feel completely safe.
If you American's are happy with your guns, then fair enough I am not going to try and change that. But most countries are happy without them and function more than effectively too.
What's "macho" about not being subject to whims of scum??????
This isn't the wild west, it's England.
Guns are not an acceptable solution in our culture. If guns were freely available Ice might well have been at the mercy of a gun himself and the fall out could have been far worse.
I am just glad it was only a knife and that he was athletic enough to get away.
A) You didn't answer the question
B) What if he hadn't been athletic enough? What if he'd been injured or tired or a little older? A knife is a lethal weapon. You're ok at your fellow citizens being at the whim of armed scum?
a) I didn't even realise it was a question with the smilie things going on. I like your rhetorical style, but your question could have been framed a little better. Having given it a second I get the gist though. :p
I guess it would be great if he had a gun to counter the thugs, but this is England things are quite different. My point is that if Ice had a gun, then it would be more likely the thugs would have had a gun too and they would be aiming first.
b) I am not happy about what Ice experienced, but it was a very unusual situation and not something most of us have gone through. He could well have got hurt, but how would having a gun in his pocket help him? He could reach his hand in and have three bullets in his brain. I could counter it and say look at America. Ice got away and the thugs had a little knife. Look at how Vernon Forrest went out and we know of him because he is famous. It is happening everyday.
A culture with too many guns is not something I approve of. I know some of the American's on here will disagree and this is an argument that has been hashed out many times before. I live in a society with no guns, feel safe and am quite happy in the knowledge that nobody will shoot me. Not even the police. Some societies are really quite relaxed and safe. In comparison even England seems like a gangsters paradise compared to where I live.
There is no reason to believe that if IBC had a gun the thugs would as well. But if the thugs even thought he MIGHT they'd likely move on. Guys like that aren't warriors they are scavengers.
My own personal experience is my guns may have saved my life on two occasions.
The problem is NEVER EVER guns! They are just a tool. A decent man with a gun troubles me not at all. A guy with bad intentions with a knife or a club or a hammer or a boxcutter or a sap or a baseball bat or a tire iron is a far bigger problem. It is the GUY, not the tool that is the issue.
The difference between you and me is I also feel perfectly safe. But it is because I AM perfectly safe. I can enforce my safety. You are only safe at the whim of scum.
I am safe because I choose to live in a place where assault, murder etc are relatively uncommon crimes. Perhaps the fact that you need to carry weapons around with you is a sign that your society has some serious problems and that you are living in undesirable places. I have never had a knife pulled on me nor been threatened with a gun. I have lived in a couple of rather dodgy areas in the UK, but even then I have never experienced any massive problems. However, I can see why it might be useful to take precautions ie pepper spray in those environments. But living in Korea, I can honestly say that as a man, I have never felt anything less than safe. Nobody is going to threaten me with a knife or anything like that. The minute I ever encounter any danger I will revise my opinion, but 8 years and so far so good. I see few signs of that changing.
I think the fact that the family bond is still so strong here, the fact that most people live in high apartments, the fact that teenagers have to study so much and the lack of drugs, means that society is relatively stable. Somehow it all just seems to work out here. No guns and little violence. Knives are out there, but nobody uses them. Kids have woodcutter knives in their pencil cases, nobody batters an eyelid and nobody gets stabbed. Of course, there is crime here, but none of that burglary to pay for the heroin nonsense. The most usual crime is tax evasion and road safety violations.
LOL! One of my comebacks prior to reading this was "If you prize safety over other things so much, move to Singapore!" Guess I can't use that one huh? :)
I will say that in the UK, the law taking citizens guns led to a huge spike in home invasions. Why? Because that crime became far less risky for criminals. Allowing criminals more certainty about the risks involved in a crime will always have an impact. IIRC England now has more total home invasions than the US. Not per capita, but in total!
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Perhaps that is the case. I think drugs, poverty and houses which are are easy to break into are a bad combination. Perhaps a gun in self defence might well be a serious deterrent.
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Perhaps that is the case. I think drugs, poverty and houses which are are easy to break into are a bad combination. Perhaps a gun in self defence might well be a serious deterrent.
Yeah I think the Castle Doctrine is a wise one. I also think concealed carry is good law. Why? It introduces uncertainty into a criminals mind. He not only has to worry about the person he's about to assault carrying, but the guy walking down the street, the guy coming out a door etc. It really alters the risk reward. I think it says something that in the USA the highest crime rates are in places where guns are hard to carry legally, like Washington DC, Chicago and Detroit.
On another, related, noted. I suspect, but cannot prove, that homogenous societies simply eliminate large numbers of social ills merely through their homogeneity. Pluralistic societies seem to have to trade some level of social ills for the richness of multiple, interacting cultures.
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I just finished my workout at my gym, and my friend was supposed to pick me up. But he wasn't there so im waiting 15 minutes, then i phone him but he's not answering. Then this guy approaches me saving have i got fag.
I don't smoke so i said no next thing i know, these 4 guys are approaching me. And one has a knife, so i push the one guy who was talking to me. Out of panic and i run as fast as possible without looking back.
And i was shitting myself i've never run so fast in my life, i had to jog 5 miles home aswell so pretty shaken up and tired at the moment.
Did you find out what happen to your friend?
Whats a fag? Miles? Gay? short for faggot?
Well you are wise to flight instead of fight ICE. Glad you're ok.
I incourage everybody to get a weapons permit, attend a class or two on guns/ self defense, and most importantly be responsible.
I guess in that situation having a gun would of help you. That is if they did not have a gun. You could of pulled it out and told them to fxck off. 90% of the time you may not have to pull it out but just show them it and if they dont have one then they go away. If they did have one though, you would need to be real careful about showing yours.
I think Bilbo is half right about people with guns. I would admit when I first had a gun I dont think I could even think about pulling it out. I guess over time you kinda of train yourself mentally. You must be responsible because the law can get you even though you think your just defending yourself. You wouldnt want to shoot anybody in the back, even if they where in your house running away with your expensive jewelry!
How will you go back to your gym ICE?
He got held up just one of those things, as for going back to the gym. In all honesty Rain's i won't be going back, i'd be too jumpy so i'll go to another one.
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Glad you are okay, Ice. Sounds like a really scary situation.
And what's with all this silly macho talk about guns? What if they threatened Ice with a gun first and he was just stood there with a gun in his pocket? What use would it have served then? And they could very well have shot him whilst running away.
The lack of guns in the UK is one of its better qualities. The fact that there are no guns out here and people are generally quite passive is partly what makes me feel completely safe.
If you American's are happy with your guns, then fair enough I am not going to try and change that. But most countries are happy without them and function more than effectively too.
What's "macho" about not being subject to whims of scum??????
This isn't the wild west, it's England.
Guns are not an acceptable solution in our culture. If guns were freely available Ice might well have been at the mercy of a gun himself and the fall out could have been far worse.
I am just glad it was only a knife and that he was athletic enough to get away.
A) You didn't answer the question
B) What if he hadn't been athletic enough? What if he'd been injured or tired or a little older? A knife is a lethal weapon. You're ok at your fellow citizens being at the whim of armed scum?
Just mentioning guns offends Miles' senstive nature....after all they are so scary:bawling:
Don't be gay. I would quite like to own a gun when I eventually move into the countryside. I would love to live out my survivorman fantasies (but make my wife skin the rabbit). But in a city where there are no problems with drugs, criminals etc? There is just no real need to have one. They aren't scary, just not needed. Maybe this is very different in some parts of America where there is a lot more crime, violence etc. but that just isn't the case here or even in most parts of England. The situation Ice experienced was the exception rather than the norm. I never experienced anything like that in the UK and I am sure most Brits here would say the same thing. You just don't need to walk around with a gun.
I'm just giving you the piss...or is it I'm taking a piss??? Not sure about my UK lingo but anyway I'm just messing with you man.
