Congratulations David Haye. Magnificent effort. Fact.

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Excessive size is no advantage on its own in heavyweight boxing and anyone who has watched the sport for as long as you have knows that.

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Spot on, which is why Haye managed to smash and grab Valuev. He couldnt do that to Wlad because Wlad is perfectly sized, any bigger he'd start to lose mobility, any shorter it makes him and easier target to get to.

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If he was perfectly sized then Jameel Mcline and Tye Fields would be naturals too.

I think its more a case of both he and his brother use their natural genetics to their best advantage. He fights in the perfect way to utilise his height and reach. Its too simplistic to say Wlad is 6ft 6 and 240 lbs therefore he is good. You could just as easily (in fact far more likely) see a 6ft 6 240lb fighter who was mediocre, slow and cumbersome.

Wlad wins because he is a great fighter. Sure his frame helps, just as Roy Jones was helped by his natural athleticism. But he should be given full credit for it, just like Jones Jr.

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Absolutely spot on.

If it was just a case of Wlad being too big for Haye then Valuev would have beaten him as well. Wlad is undoubtedly very limited, but he manages to get the very best out of what he has got and makes sure he uses his physically advantage well.

Tyson used the fact that he was a small heavyweight to his advantage. He gave a height, reach and weight advantage away to almost everyone he ever fought yet he still managed to demolish everything put in front of him in his prime.

Haye just ran and stunk the place out. When things didn't go for him he tried to cheat and get Wlad disqualified or points deductions. I don't think I have ever seen a fighter throw himself to the canvas in every round like Haye did.

I'm not surprised Wlad couldn't get the knockout because Haye was constantly moving backwards. Even the couple of decent right hands that got through caught Haye as he was moving away from the punch so he didn't take the full impact of them at all.

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I don't disagree with you on that Fenster. I thought Haye would be stopped as soon as Wlad connected.

The first four rounds or so were pretty entertaining and he did give hope (or concern if you hate him) that he might land.

He didn't disgrace himself with his performance in the ring.

his pre and post fight comments though...

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I must admit when he started mentioning the toe I knew I was gonna need time to work-out a decent counter.

I still haven';t/

Let's not give haye too much credit. His defense was a little better than I thought. But the reason wlad did not punish him is because haye never engaged and wlad is not a head hunter

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This ain't a "wind-up" thread.

Haye was meant to be DESTROYED. Did that happen? NO. So all the "experts" have a thread to come and apologise to Haye.

Lets keep it real. No harm in being proven wrong. Fact.

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totally correct... i guess like me you also expected Haye to get sparked out and be totally out of his depth.

he was not and I think maybe me and you are the only ones supprised at this... oh and Wlad judging by his UK interview ;)

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Exactly Saddo. I was almost certain Haye was getting sparked out. Going the distance is enough to suprise and impress me.

Wlad was by far the worthy winner. But Haye certainly didn't disgrace himself.

Some guys can't give credit where it's due. The best man won. Fact.

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:vd: Not surprised one bit to see Fenster praising Haye going 12 by employing his favorite style. Dropping to his knees every chance he could. Fact.

VD I thought you would have enjoyed it... seeing a giant easter European constantly pushing a smaller guys head down to his own crotch seems like the type of thing you'd find quite exciting.

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Originally Posted by Andre

Well power is generated from the big toe, fact.

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So true, and without properly working big toe, your power is reduced by at least 75%, fact!

BTW, a damaged big toe can also reduce the size of your cojones by at least 50%, fact!

Hayes chin deserves credit, the way he fought was too cautious for me.

I always believed Haye had the tools to beat Wlad and still do pretty much except for the most important one and the one I thought he had in abundance and that is confidence in his own ability to KO Wlad.

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VD I thought you would have enjoyed it... seeing a giant easter European constantly pushing a smaller guys head down to his own crotch seems like the type of thing you'd find quite exciting.

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I know you did. Hell your sig says it all. Mouth wide open. Long things going in it.

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This ain't a "wind-up" thread.

Haye was meant to be DESTROYED. Did that happen? NO. So all the "experts" have a thread to come and apologise to Haye.

Lets keep it real. No harm in being proven wrong. Fact.

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totally correct... i guess like me you also expected Haye to get sparked out and be totally out of his depth.

he was not and I think maybe me and you are the only ones supprised at this... oh and Wlad judging by his UK interview ;)

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Exactly Saddo. I was almost certain Haye was getting sparked out. Going the distance is enough to suprise and impress me.

Wlad was by far the worthy winner. But Haye certainly didn't disgrace himself.

Some guys can't give credit where it's due. The best man won. Fact.

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:vd: Not surprised one bit to see Fenster praising Haye going 12 by employing his favorite style. Dropping to his knees every chance he could. Fact.

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I'm not even gonna own you for this because I laughed out loud.

What was your prediction? Wlad KO 1 :LOLATYOU:

Seems that all the excitment has worn you out... when your best comeback is "I know you are but what am I" then you really need to rest up and come back with something a bit stronger. :)

I could list all the things it looks like your e-thug avatar looks like it's doing... but that is known as 'clutching at staws' or 'scraping the bottom of the barrell'.

Really weak shit... Used to get a good laugh out of you, but it's like you're not even trying :-\ :(

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Seems that all the excitment has worn you out... when your best comeback is "I know you are but what am I" then you really need to rest up and come back with something a bit stronger. :)

I could list all the things it looks like your e-thug avatar looks like it's doing... but that is known as 'clutching at staws' or 'scraping the bottom of the barrell'.

Really weak shit... Used to get a good laugh out of you, but it's like you're not even trying :-\ :(

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Eastern European? Pushing head? Crotch? Seriously what you expect from the same recycled shit? Your right. I'm not even trying. Why should I? D material is enough to beat what your throwing.

This is much more exciting than the fight.

I didn't expect you to look at a computer game character eating pills and see oral sex.

Actually fuck it, not suprising... You probably look at pictures like these and see gay oral too...

http://sgspsychology2.webs.com/Sport/inkblot.gif

Must be on your mind a lot. :-X

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Seems that all the excitment has worn you out... when your best comeback is "I know you are but what am I" then you really need to rest up and come back with something a bit stronger. :)

I could list all the things it looks like your e-thug avatar looks like it's doing... but that is known as 'clutching at staws' or 'scraping the bottom of the barrell'.

Really weak shit... Used to get a good laugh out of you, but it's like you're not even trying :-\ :(

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Eastern European? Pushing head? Crotch? Seriously what you expect from the same recycled shit? Your right. I'm not even trying. Why should I? D material is enough to beat what your throwing.

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Your avatar is confusing though. It looks like you're holding a telescope at the sky (or maybe one of those magic eye kalaidascope thingies) whilst aiming a water pistol at the sea, so I'm guessing you are at the beach and fighting aliens? It would be helpful if you had actually finished colouring it in but I know how easily distracted kids are these days.

I'm with Fenster.

Haye proved that Klitschko is a boring watch. At least David Haye tried to land big shots. HBO would have him stand around and eat punches like the rest of Klitschko's opponents.

The Klitschko boys should fight each other or stay the fuck home.