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Originally Posted by Mar
Like what I have said numerous times, Ortiz cheated and deserved what he got. But is Floyd satisfied with how he won the fight given that he's against a heavy underdog? If he is, then he does not need to explain himself. But people can not be faulted for thinking otherwise.
Yeah he got what he deserved for the headbutt, a point taken away. I would let someone headbutt me and in exchange get two free power punches to their chin in any fight i will ever be in again. But nevertheless we didnt get to see who the better fighter is. This wasnt a street fight hence Ortiz getting a point taken away for a headbutt. The ring is no place for a sucker punch.
So what did Ortiz get for that heabutt? A point taken away, a left hook to the chin, a straight right to the chin. All in exchange for one heabutt? Ok yeah i see thas a fair exchange.
Didnt mean to sound like a dick in my last post but do you guys and/or girls see the arguement for the Ortiz side here? You at leaste have to admit we didnt get to see who the better fighter is. Theres 12 rounds for a reason.
Vicdtor Ortiz acted badly with the head butt and then stupidly by not protecting himself.
Floyd was not classy and vicious. But the fault, in my view, lies 100% with ortiz.
Ortiz definitely did not show that he is even equal to Mayweather, both mentally and physically. Otherwise, he would not even have resorted to that illegal headbutt, would he?
The headbutt arose from frustration on his part, and that's because he knows that he is not winning. And he is already frustrated that early in the fight! Sorry but he had his chance.
Ortiz wasnt frustrated by the way the fight was going he was pissed cause Floyd smiled at him.
If i was in a fight with someone and they smiled at me I would headbutt them too honestly. What I wouldnt do is crack a dude who isnt looking with his hands down.
Ortiz is a professional boxer and he got pissed because the opponent smiled at him??? What is that, a high school brawl?Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411
As a professional boxer, Ortiz is there to fight that way he was trained to, not to respond to every facial expression the opponent will dish out.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411
Yeah I didnt say he should have headbutted him, I said I would have lol, Ortiz is a nitty gritty fighter and vicious. He needed to take Floyd outta his comfort zone to win this fight. I would go out on a limb to say most fighters fight dirty you just dont see it. I see it all the time in the way fighters throw there elbows with their hooks and ram the heads into the other fighter. Not as blantantly as Ortiz did but it always happens. When Ali would grab the back of peoples head that was illegal. It was something that was a part of Ali's style that he constantly got away with. Fighters do what they can get away with alot of times. Just like Floyd did to Ortiz as a matter of fact. Im just not one that will crack their opponent when his hands are down, they are not looking and walking backwards and I dont agree with it. Thats not to say I dont understand it somewhat on an instinctual level.
Anyway you look at it Floyd threw a sucker punch, and a sucker punch is not part of the pedigree of boxing.
Dirty boxing on the other hand is generally just part of the sport, even taught by some coaches, planned for by all fighters, and if your in a fight its pretty much expected.
Not to mention all the elbows and headbutts accidently thrown and landed.
I betcha Ortiz wishes he didn't launch that headbutt now. After seeing it lead to the chain of events it did.
Cortez should have had everything straightened with the timekeeper before calling time in. He was clueless. Cortes should have had total focus on both fighters instead of the timekeeper. In floyd fights i've learned, never apologize to floyd for anything, leaving yourself exposed and never look at the ref, even if the ref says something, leaving yourself exposed.