Who Fought the Better Fighters? Mayweather or Pacquiao?

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

Honestly, this thread is probably going to start a war. I know a case could be made for each fighter, but I think Pacquiao's record is way better than Mayweather's.

He fought Marquez, Barrera and Morales in a total of 8 fights. Who would fight first ballot hall of famers (for their boxing ability not their popularity) a total of 8 times like that?

He also fought Cotto and Margarito; fighters Floyd did not fight that the public wanted to see.

Floyd has some big names on his resume as well but it's just not on the same level of Manny's

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Yea but we also have look at how they beat those fighters and what condition they were in at the time..

Pac beat Marquez ONLY ON PAPER, but he pretty much got exposed..

Morales and Barrera were past their best..

Delahoya was a walking Zombie

Margarito is slow like a snail and was tailor made... He was cherry picked at a CW..

Cotto was a decent victory..

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Pac beat Marquez on Paper only? Thats silly, one judge did admit a scoring error on their first fight that could have given Pac a close win. The second fight still a close win to a very difficult opposition. I think you need to re-phrase what you just said that the win is on paper. I will take it as a close win.

Morales and Barrera past their primes? What on earth are you talking about? Pac beat Barrera when he was the king of the feather weights, thats the reason why he was considered to be the lineal champ after beating the man. Morales is on his prime when they fought 3 times.

Dela Hoya was a walking zombie, and pacman was a walking bloated lightweight. it was dela hoya who made the call to fight pacman on welter, and that should be taken as pac's mistake.

Margarito is a natural big welter and only fought 4-5times above 147lbs on his entire career. A naturally small lightweight like pacman who never fought at light middleweight (for this fight CW of 150lbs) will clearly be at a disadvantage. Pacman is clearly a crazy cherry picker who picks a fight with a guy 4 inches taller, and 17lbs heavier than him on a weight class or catch weight he was never used to.

Cotto a decent win? okay.

you never mentioned Hatton...

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

Honestly, this thread is probably going to start a war. I know a case could be made for each fighter, but I think Pacquiao's record is way better than Mayweather's.

He fought Marquez, Barrera and Morales in a total of 8 fights. Who would fight first ballot hall of famers (for their boxing ability not their popularity) a total of 8 times like that?

He also fought Cotto and Margarito; fighters Floyd did not fight that the public wanted to see.

Floyd has some big names on his resume as well but it's just not on the same level of Manny's

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Yea but we also have look at how they beat those fighters and what condition they were in at the time..

Pac beat Marquez ONLY ON PAPER, but he pretty much got exposed..

Morales and Barrera were past their best..

Delahoya was a walking Zombie

Margarito is slow like a snail and was tailor made... He was cherry picked at a CW..

Cotto was a decent victory..

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MAB was not past his best in the 1st meeting.

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barrera was in his prime against NAz, but he started slipping after..

Not to make excuses but he had many problems going into the pacman bout.. They started making an issue about the metal plate inside his head and he had to move camp in the middle because of the forrest fire in big bear...

MArco was not in his physical prime against pacman.. He was just a little bit past it..

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That right there shows how limited some posters are in there Boxing knowledge. Actual age means little in Boxing. Barrera went into the Hamed fight with 55 pro fights already under his belt. Among them were his wars with McKinney, Sanchez, Jones and Morales. There was no way in hell Barrera was in his prime when he faught Hamed. No way. His prime ended after the McKinney fight. It's the reason he changed his fighting style. He was still a great fighter. But no longer in his prime. A prime, ruthless Barrera stops Hamed in 4

Well C lo are you saying that Pac peaked at 30 or 31 then because for a lower weight fighter kinda weird thing to happen. I mean he was 26 and been fighting for 10 years when Morles beat him but back to the question of there top wins i guess. Would have to be Morles, Barrea, and Marquez for Pac and For Mayweather Castllio, Correles and Dela Hoya i don't see their top wins being to far off really. I guess the thing that can also be said is that Mayweather never lost so kinda what tips off the scale as well.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Who the hell is Jung Koo Ching Chong Chai?

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That's racist :o

U dont know Chang? Im not surprised though.. many avid fans of pacman never watched boxing until he came along so ya know.. lol

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Lol. Ching Chong Chai was Filipino-Chinese martial arts actor. Why would that be racist?... cuz I mixed it with a Korean name? :-\

(your second statement) Yeah. Part of it is true. But I aint one of 'em.

I have always criticized Floyd's resume (despite some big wins and his obvious tremendous talent). And yes...Pac has fought three LEGENDARY Mexican fighters in his career...but some of his recent victories have been incredibly over hyped. But honestly...you can always finds ways to poke holes in someones resume. Floyd has been fighting at a higher lever from a younger age and his incredible technical and defensive brilliance often downplay his wins. Pac creates more excitement and firework in the ring because of his offensive style...hence people look at him as more of a "warrior." We can also look at the fighters they both fought: Hatton, Delahoya, Marquez, and Mosley. Clearly you have to say Pac fought a better Marquez (at his natural weight, younger, etc.). But Floyd basically finished Hatton's career and left Pac with a shot fighter (please note...i do not rate a PRIME Hatton highly for what's it's worth). Delahoya was also past his best against both fighters...but he was far worse off when he fought Pac (older, weight drained, etc.) than when he fought Floyd. And Mosley was clearly past his best when both fighters fought him. The incredible media overhype of Pac has come over his recent wins over "bigger" fighters. While one has to respect the fact that Pac went up in weight...i certainly don't respect his wins as much as others. Floyd also has not had huge wins. Bringing up Marquez in weight cheapened his win. As far as Ortiz....while he certainly is not a GREAT fighter...he at least was a young, live body. I actually think the Ortiz Floyd fought recently was a more dangerous fighter than the versions of Cotto and Margo Pac beat. At the end of the day...none of this really means much. We all have our opinions and biases. Hopefully these two will fight each other soon.

Violent demise, u takin a stab at my boxing knowledge? Lmfao homey, u compare ur saddoleague ranking compared to mine and there goes ur answer..
I never said anything about barreras age,foo.. Its about the mileage on the odometer, not the age, we all know that. Barrera was still at the top of his game when he fought naz.


Go make me a sandwich or something, vd.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Violent demise, u takin a stab at my boxing knowledge? Lmfao homey, u compare ur saddoleague ranking compared to mine and there goes ur answer..
I never said anything about barreras age,foo.. Its about the mileage on the odometer, not the age, we all know that. Barrera was still at the top of his game when he fought naz.


Go make me a sandwich or something, vd.

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I don't know what your knowledge is to take a stab at it. Lot of foolish people think Barrera was prime going into the Hamed fight. If your one of them than the comment applies to you. If not than it doesn't.

ok

to be fair

both Barrera (Who was at #2 or #3 p4p at the time and would win another title north after ) and

Pacquiao ( Who will lose to Morales in his 1st fight at 130 )

aren't prime on November of 2003 :D *one of them was primed



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Barrera had a different style at 122 but LOL at Barrera being not primed againts Naz :D

-Peace

They both fought decent fighters. IMO these threads always turn into a 'my fighter has a bigger one that yours' when in reality I suspect that Floyd might be somewhat more endowed, but in terms of actual opponents, you can really make a case for either guy.

Mayweather has perhaps coasted more in recent years in never facing Cotto nor Margarito, but in his time he did fight credible opposition.

Records are very similar both have big wins at low weights and good wins at high weights Pacs might be slightly better first to fight and beat Martinez has the best resume.

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Who the hell is Jung Koo Ching Chong Chai?

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That's racist :o

U dont know Chang? Im not surprised though.. many avid fans of pacman never watched boxing until he came along so ya know.. lol

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Lol. Ching Chong Chai was Filipino-Chinese martial arts actor. Why would that be racist?... cuz I mixed it with a Korean name? :-\

(your second statement) Yeah. Part of it is true. But I aint one of 'em.

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Ahh ic. I never heard of him but what a stereotypical name.haha

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lol ummm because tapia was even more past it than Barrera and 126 wasn't his natural weight.. Same with Kelley.. He had much more mileage on him when barrera beat him...

R u kidding me. haha c'mon Miron.. I know you aint no boxrec warrior.. ;D

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What are great Floyd wins that compare? I believe I started a thread about Floyd's best win a while back and the consensus was Diego Corrales.

Pacquiao imo.

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lol ummm because tapia was even more past it than Barrera and 126 wasn't his natural weight.. Same with Kelley.. He had much more mileage on him when barrera beat him...

R u kidding me. haha c'mon Miron.. I know you aint no boxrec warrior.. ;D

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What are great Floyd wins that compare? I believe I started a thread about Floyd's best win a while back and the consensus was Diego Corrales.

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How long ago did you start that thread for people to mention Chico as Floyd's best?? It's true that Chico was a great victory considering the fact that nobody else wanted to fight him at the time but Id also add Castillo and Delahoya to the list of big wins. Delahoya victory goes really underrated imo. Floyd gave into all his demands and beat him at 154 and on top of that, delahoya still had something left unlike when Pac got to him.. He also beat an undefeated Hatton and softened him up for Pac.. same thing with mosley...

U know how Pac loves to eat Floyd's leftovers.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

U know how Pac loves to eat Floyd's leftovers.

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And U know how Floyd avoided what later became Pac's leftovers.