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11-11-2011, 05:50 PM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did;D

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog :-X

No but it goes to show the resiliance and heart he had that 11 years later he could last longer against the then top heavy than our current top heavy could:o

Vitali was going to fight Mike Tyson...but Tyson lost to Danny Williams, damn shame that.

the same Danny Williams that Vitali then went on to pummel around like a rag doll, and really wanna boast up Tyson's "heart"?

wasn't it Tyson who munched on Holyfield's ear cause he was once again having his ass handed to him and wanted out?

wasn't it Tyson who basically stayed slouched on the floor with his hands up asking the ref to help him up against Williams?

wasn't it Tyson who tried to snap McBride's arm then later stayed sitting on the stool in the corner quitting against a bum?

there's a reason why Zab Judah is compared to Tyson, and it's not because he had fast hands and came from Brooklyn....
11-11-2011, 07:05 PM
El Kabong

Re: Frazier V Tyson

Out of all the fighters Cus trained, I think Floyd Patterson had the most heart...if Tyson had Patterson's heart or Patterson had Tyson's physique then you might have a case ross, but Tyson was a psychologically weak fighter. Tyson was never involved in any back and forth wars simply because he could dish it out but couldn't take it coming back at him, especially after round 5.

But hey, you're going to think the way you think no matter what I say.
11-11-2011, 07:09 PM
ross

Re: Frazier V Tyson

Yep your right, Vitali wanted to fight Mike years after his prime.

When Mike was making a name for himself in the eighties, Joe FRazier came out of no where and offered Mike a fight, he was years past his best too. Mikes team could see the bad PR they would create by battering an old loved legend and didnt even think twice about it.

Vitali on the other hand had not only wanted it but had a good bitch about about it;D

Oh, and Tyson Smashed Julius Francis up. Remember that? That was the same Francis who gave Williams his first loss;D
11-11-2011, 07:20 PM
El Kabong

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Originally Posted by ross

Yep your right, Vitali wanted to fight Mike years after his prime.

When Mike was making a name for himself in the eighties, Joe FRazier came out of no where and offered Mike a fight, he was years past his best too. Mikes team could see the bad PR they would create by battering an old loved legend and didnt even think twice about it.

Vitali on the other hand had not only wanted it but had a good bitch about about it;D

Oh, and Tyson Smashed Julius Francis up. Remember that? That was the same Francis who gave Williams his first loss;D

Vitali and Wladimir would have welcomed a fight with a prime Tyson (I make no mention of who would win, but I'm certain you'll tell us anyway...as if we don't already know who you'd pick) , they are willing to fight anyone.....Mike Tyson however, did get an offer to fight George Foreman and it just never came to fruition....I do wonder why :dontknow:
11-11-2011, 07:46 PM
ross

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by ross

Yep your right, Vitali wanted to fight Mike years after his prime.

When Mike was making a name for himself in the eighties, Joe FRazier came out of no where and offered Mike a fight, he was years past his best too. Mikes team could see the bad PR they would create by battering an old loved legend and didnt even think twice about it.

Vitali on the other hand had not only wanted it but had a good bitch about about it;D

Oh, and Tyson Smashed Julius Francis up. Remember that? That was the same Francis who gave Williams his first loss;D

Vitali and Wladimir would have welcomed a fight with a prime Tyson (I make no mention of who would win, but I'm certain you'll tell us anyway...as if we don't already know who you'd pick) , they are willing to fight anyone.....Mike Tyson however, did get an offer to fight George Foreman and it just never came to fruition....I do wonder why :dontknow:

The way Wladimir cautiously boxed Haye!;D

Show me proof he was offered the fight other than second hand say so bullshit...
11-11-2011, 08:04 PM
El Kabong

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Yep your right, Vitali wanted to fight Mike years after his prime.

When Mike was making a name for himself in the eighties, Joe FRazier came out of no where and offered Mike a fight, he was years past his best too. Mikes team could see the bad PR they would create by battering an old loved legend and didnt even think twice about it.

Vitali on the other hand had not only wanted it but had a good bitch about about it;D

Oh, and Tyson Smashed Julius Francis up. Remember that? That was the same Francis who gave Williams his first loss;D

Vitali and Wladimir would have welcomed a fight with a prime Tyson (I make no mention of who would win, but I'm certain you'll tell us anyway...as if we don't already know who you'd pick) , they are willing to fight anyone.....Mike Tyson however, did get an offer to fight George Foreman and it just never came to fruition....I do wonder why :dontknow:

The way Wladimir cautiously boxed Haye!;D

Show me proof he was offered the fight other than second hand say so bullshit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2XlGWhY_5I

That fight (in 1990) was for a shot at Tyson (so say the people in the video) who in 1990 fought: Henry Tillman and Alex Stewart...both first round stoppages. Mike Tyson punked out, he wanted 0 of Foreman.

Wladimir fought Haye the way Wladimir fights...had Haye stood infront of him Haye would have been KO'd, Wlad wasn't timid, Wlad is just smart enough to accept his weakness in taking a flush punch and so he uses some defense and some strategy and looking at his record he's done OK with it.
11-11-2011, 10:19 PM
Master

Re: Frazier V Tyson

Tyson had a good time with shorter fighters and Frazier would suit him. Tyson liked to move side to side to set up his punches against these short type of fighters and land that uppercut. Tyson was bigger, faster and more accurate and would beat Joe.
11-11-2011, 11:16 PM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Originally Posted by ross

Yep your right, Vitali wanted to fight Mike years after his prime.

When Mike was making a name for himself in the eighties, Joe FRazier came out of no where and offered Mike a fight, he was years past his best too. Mikes team could see the bad PR they would create by battering an old loved legend and didnt even think twice about it.

Vitali on the other hand had not only wanted it but had a good bitch about about it;D

Oh, and Tyson Smashed Julius Francis up. Remember that? That was the same Francis who gave Williams his first loss;D

so what if Tyson beat Francis, HE FUCKING LOST TO WILLIAMS, so it just makes Tyson look that much overrated :-X

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Originally Posted by ross

Yep your right, Vitali wanted to fight Mike years after his prime.

When Mike was making a name for himself in the eighties, Joe FRazier came out of no where and offered Mike a fight, he was years past his best too. Mikes team could see the bad PR they would create by battering an old loved legend and didnt even think twice about it.

Vitali on the other hand had not only wanted it but had a good bitch about about it;D

Oh, and Tyson Smashed Julius Francis up. Remember that? That was the same Francis who gave Williams his first loss;D

Vitali and Wladimir would have welcomed a fight with a prime Tyson (I make no mention of who would win, but I'm certain you'll tell us anyway...as if we don't already know who you'd pick) , they are willing to fight anyone.....Mike Tyson however, did get an offer to fight George Foreman and it just never came to fruition....I do wonder why :dontknow:

The way Wladimir cautiously boxed Haye!;D

Show me proof he was offered the fight other than second hand say so bullshit...

don't retell history to fit your bullshit, Wlad moved forward and Haye ran the entire night, when he wasn't running he was dropping to his knees attempting to suck Wlad's dick as a sign of peace ;D
11-12-2011, 06:24 PM
LobowolfXXX

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did;D

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog :-X

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?
11-12-2011, 07:06 PM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Originally Posted by ross

This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did;D

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog :-X

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?

only reason he isn't is cause neither Wlad nor Vitali is ever given the credit they deserve, because if any of the guys in the lower side of the top 10 were to beat him it would be more or less the same as them losing to Douglas, no one in the HW division is anywhere close to either bro, you could NEVER say that about Mike
11-12-2011, 09:57 PM
ross

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did;D

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog :-X

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?

only reason he isn't is cause neither Wlad nor Vitali is ever given the credit they deserve, because if any of the guys in the lower side of the top 10 were to beat him it would be more or less the same as them losing to Douglas, no one in the HW division is anywhere close to either bro, you could NEVER say that about Mike

You obviously dont remember how massive he was then:rolleyes:

There was a feeling that Mike was unbeatable. With the Klitschkos the general concencus is that they are on top because they are so big that the poor division cant beat them (although Purity, Byrd, Sanders, Lewis and Brewster have) , they arent unbeatable and have never been thought of as such. While Mike was with Rooney he was being called unbeatable and they were having to take fighters out of retirement and other weight classes specifically to try and challenge him.
11-12-2011, 10:21 PM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did;D

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog :-X

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?

only reason he isn't is cause neither Wlad nor Vitali is ever given the credit they deserve, because if any of the guys in the lower side of the top 10 were to beat him it would be more or less the same as them losing to Douglas, no one in the HW division is anywhere close to either bro, you could NEVER say that about Mike

You obviously dont remember how massive he was then:rolleyes:

There was a feeling that Mike was unbeatable. With the Klitschkos the general concencus is that they are on top because they are so big that the poor division cant beat them (although Purity, Byrd, Sanders, Lewis and Brewster have) , they arent unbeatable and have never been thought of as such. While Mike was with Rooney he was being called unbeatable and they were having to take fighters out of retirement and other weight classes specifically to try and challenge him.

Mike was only thought of as "unbeatable" cause he would psych his opponents out and intimidate them, they were done before the fight would start, look at the Seldon fight, neither Wlad, Vitali, much less Joe Frazier would have been psyched out by ANY VERSION of Mike Tyson, so once the bell rang Tyson would already be facing an up hill battle
11-12-2011, 10:25 PM
Master

Re: Frazier V Tyson

Tyson did not just rely on intimidation as Berbick found out the hard way.
11-12-2011, 10:36 PM
ross

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Originally Posted by ross

This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did;D

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog :-X

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?

only reason he isn't is cause neither Wlad nor Vitali is ever given the credit they deserve, because if any of the guys in the lower side of the top 10 were to beat him it would be more or less the same as them losing to Douglas, no one in the HW division is anywhere close to either bro, you could NEVER say that about Mike

You obviously dont remember how massive he was then:rolleyes:

There was a feeling that Mike was unbeatable. With the Klitschkos the general concencus is that they are on top because they are so big that the poor division cant beat them (although Purity, Byrd, Sanders, Lewis and Brewster have) , they arent unbeatable and have never been thought of as such. While Mike was with Rooney he was being called unbeatable and they were having to take fighters out of retirement and other weight classes specifically to try and challenge him.

Mike was only thought of as "unbeatable" cause he would psych his opponents out and intimidate them, they were done before the fight would start, look at the Seldon fight, neither Wlad, Vitali, much less Joe Frazier would have been psyched out by ANY VERSION of Mike Tyson, so once the bell rang Tyson would already be facing an up hill battle

Oh here we go:rolleyes:

Yeah yeah... If they fight back... Mikes a bully...

Look how well Wlad did when he wasnt intimidated by Sanders;D

Mike fought the same whether they were scared or not. He had to fight against Rudduck and that was the far less skilled version of Mike.

I wish people would just stop acting like kids, stamping their feet and crossing their arms and denying how good Mike Tyson was.

Even the old washed up version lasted longer with Lewis than Vitali could and (apparently) Lewis wasnt as prepared as he could be whereas his whole career was based around facing Tyson;)

No one ever says if Lewis fought the prime Vitali hed lose but plenty say it about Tyson:cool:

and before any comments about Tyson losing to Lewis. Who thinks a prime Louis would lose to Marciano?
11-13-2011, 02:48 AM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: Frazier V Tyson

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Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by ross

This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did;D

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog :-X

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?

only reason he isn't is cause neither Wlad nor Vitali is ever given the credit they deserve, because if any of the guys in the lower side of the top 10 were to beat him it would be more or less the same as them losing to Douglas, no one in the HW division is anywhere close to either bro, you could NEVER say that about Mike

You obviously dont remember how massive he was then:rolleyes:

There was a feeling that Mike was unbeatable. With the Klitschkos the general concencus is that they are on top because they are so big that the poor division cant beat them (although Purity, Byrd, Sanders, Lewis and Brewster have) , they arent unbeatable and have never been thought of as such. While Mike was with Rooney he was being called unbeatable and they were having to take fighters out of retirement and other weight classes specifically to try and challenge him.

Mike was only thought of as "unbeatable" cause he would psych his opponents out and intimidate them, they were done before the fight would start, look at the Seldon fight, neither Wlad, Vitali, much less Joe Frazier would have been psyched out by ANY VERSION of Mike Tyson, so once the bell rang Tyson would already be facing an up hill battle

Oh here we go:rolleyes:

Yeah yeah... If they fight back... Mikes a bully...

Look how well Wlad did when he wasnt intimidated by Sanders;D

Mike fought the same whether they were scared or not. He had to fight against Rudduck and that was the far less skilled version of Mike.

I wish people would just stop acting like kids, stamping their feet and crossing their arms and denying how good Mike Tyson was.

Even the old washed up version lasted longer with Lewis than Vitali could and (apparently) Lewis wasnt as prepared as he could be whereas his whole career was based around facing Tyson;)

No one ever says if Lewis fought the prime Vitali hed lose but plenty say it about Tyson:cool:

and before any comments about Tyson losing to Lewis. Who thinks a prime Louis would lose to Marciano?

how many rounds did Tyson win against Lewis? the same fight that Lewis was only toying with him, and basically effortlessly dominated until he finally decided to put him away, unlike against Vitali which was stopped due to a bad cut, not because he was KTFO like Mike was (you might wanna rewatch that fight), Klitschko fought the same Lewis that Mike did seeing how it was his very next fight

thing is you're still hung up and think that Iron Mike is or was the greatest HW of all time, and the sad thing is that you can't see how much bullshit that is even though the smoke has cleared and he never reached half the expectations that people had of him, after every loss he's given a bullshit excuse by fan boys like you, against Douglas (he didn't train and well, didn't have Rooney, and the long count), Holyfield I (the jail sentence changed him), Holyfield II (Evander "cheated" so he "deserved it"), Lewis, Williams, and McBride (Tyson was shot to shit and was only fighting for a paycheck), sorry but Mike lost or looked crap against guys he should have beaten, and never did anything to change after his losses, both Klitschko's lost and then went on to dominate everyone else cleaned out the division and do it effortlessly no matter how weak the division is (it's not much different to how bad the division was in 86 when Tyson picked up the championship), but breaking this all down is a mute point cause no matter how many people drill it into your head you will always be hell bent on trying to make everyone believe that Tyson is the greatest fighter to step in the ring

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