Frazier V Tyson

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This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?

only reason he isn't is cause neither Wlad nor Vitali is ever given the credit they deserve, because if any of the guys in the lower side of the top 10 were to beat him it would be more or less the same as them losing to Douglas, no one in the HW division is anywhere close to either bro, you could NEVER say that about Mike

You obviously dont remember how massive he was then

There was a feeling that Mike was unbeatable. With the Klitschkos the general concencus is that they are on top because they are so big that the poor division cant beat them (although Purity, Byrd, Sanders, Lewis and Brewster have) , they arent unbeatable and have never been thought of as such. While Mike was with Rooney he was being called unbeatable and they were having to take fighters out of retirement and other weight classes specifically to try and challenge him.

Mike was only thought of as "unbeatable" cause he would psych his opponents out and intimidate them, they were done before the fight would start, look at the Seldon fight, neither Wlad, Vitali, much less Joe Frazier would have been psyched out by ANY VERSION of Mike Tyson, so once the bell rang Tyson would already be facing an up hill battle

Oh here we go

Yeah yeah... If they fight back... Mikes a bully...

Look how well Wlad did when he wasnt intimidated by Sanders

Mike fought the same whether they were scared or not. He had to fight against Rudduck and that was the far less skilled version of Mike.

I wish people would just stop acting like kids, stamping their feet and crossing their arms and denying how good Mike Tyson was.

Even the old washed up version lasted longer with Lewis than Vitali could and (apparently) Lewis wasnt as prepared as he could be whereas his whole career was based around facing Tyson

No one ever says if Lewis fought the prime Vitali hed lose but plenty say it about Tyson

and before any comments about Tyson losing to Lewis. Who thinks a prime Louis would lose to Marciano?

[ElTerribleMorales]

This just to antagonize but an old Tyson lasted longer against Lewis than Vitali did

Vitali never lost to a 41-1 underdog

Was he ever a 41-1 favorite?

only reason he isn't is cause neither Wlad nor Vitali is ever given the credit they deserve, because if any of the guys in the lower side of the top 10 were to beat him it would be more or less the same as them losing to Douglas, no one in the HW division is anywhere close to either bro, you could NEVER say that about Mike

You obviously dont remember how massive he was then

There was a feeling that Mike was unbeatable. With the Klitschkos the general concencus is that they are on top because they are so big that the poor division cant beat them (although Purity, Byrd, Sanders, Lewis and Brewster have) , they arent unbeatable and have never been thought of as such. While Mike was with Rooney he was being called unbeatable and they were having to take fighters out of retirement and other weight classes specifically to try and challenge him.

Mike was only thought of as "unbeatable" cause he would psych his opponents out and intimidate them, they were done before the fight would start, look at the Seldon fight, neither Wlad, Vitali, much less Joe Frazier would have been psyched out by ANY VERSION of Mike Tyson, so once the bell rang Tyson would already be facing an up hill battle

Oh here we go

Yeah yeah... If they fight back... Mikes a bully...

Look how well Wlad did when he wasnt intimidated by Sanders

Mike fought the same whether they were scared or not. He had to fight against Rudduck and that was the far less skilled version of Mike.

I wish people would just stop acting like kids, stamping their feet and crossing their arms and denying how good Mike Tyson was.

Even the old washed up version lasted longer with Lewis than Vitali could and (apparently) Lewis wasnt as prepared as he could be whereas his whole career was based around facing Tyson

No one ever says if Lewis fought the prime Vitali hed lose but plenty say it about Tyson

and before any comments about Tyson losing to Lewis. Who thinks a prime Louis would lose to Marciano?

how many rounds did Tyson win against Lewis? the same fight that Lewis was only toying with him, and basically effortlessly dominated until he finally decided to put him away, unlike against Vitali which was stopped due to a bad cut, not because he was KTFO like Mike was (you might wanna rewatch that fight), Klitschko fought the same Lewis that Mike did seeing how it was his very next fight

thing is you're still hung up and think that Iron Mike is or was the greatest HW of all time, and the sad thing is that you can't see how much bullshit that is even though the smoke has cleared and he never reached half the expectations that people had of him, after every loss he's given a bullshit excuse by fan boys like you, against Douglas (he didn't train and well, didn't have Rooney, and the long count), Holyfield I (the jail sentence changed him), Holyfield II (Evander "cheated" so he "deserved it"), Lewis, Williams, and McBride (Tyson was shot to shit and was only fighting for a paycheck), sorry but Mike lost or looked crap against guys he should have beaten, and never did anything to change after his losses, both Klitschko's lost and then went on to dominate everyone else cleaned out the division and do it effortlessly no matter how weak the division is (it's not much different to how bad the division was in 86 when Tyson picked up the championship), but breaking this all down is a mute point cause no matter how many people drill it into your head you will always be hell bent on trying to make everyone believe that Tyson is the greatest fighter to step in the ring

[Gandalf]

ElTerrible, you are retarded. As if Tyson's loss to Williams had any significance or bearing over how an '80's Tyson would fare against either of the Klit's.

Just pure Tyson hating in its crudest form.

Idiot.

[ElTerribleMorales]

ElTerrible, you are retarded. As if Tyson's loss to Williams had any significance or bearing over how an '80's Tyson would fare against either of the Klit's.

Just pure Tyson hating in its crudest form.

Idiot.

as if the fact that Tyson "lasted" two more rounds against Lewis is any indication that he put up a better fight

Miles you're not one to come chiming in, crying when anyone mentions the now infamous Khan/Barrera aftermath tantrum

the whole mess started because ross goes into Taeth mode whenever anyone says that Tyson wouldn't have walked through "fill in the blank", it's ridiculous how he says that one doesn't know about boxing when they say that a Legend in Joe Frazier would have most likely been able to deal with Mike Fucking Tyson, get the fuck out of here

PS: the only reason that the Williams and McBride fights were mentioned were because Tyson still demonstrated a trait that he displayed even in his prime, that if he was faced with adversity he turned into a heartless bitch, might wanna pick up on that too jerk off

[Gandalf]

It's a bloody stupid argument. It is like suggesting that Khan's 'win' over Barrera meant anything. It meant nothing.

You can't take losses to journeymen at the end of a career as being anything more than just symbolic.

It happens to everyone and doesn't detract from what they once were.

[ElTerribleMorales]

It's a bloody stupid argument. It is like suggesting that Khan's 'win' over Barrera meant anything. It meant nothing.

You can't take losses to journeymen at the end of a career as being anything more than just symbolic.

It happens to everyone and doesn't detract from what they once were.

thing is Tyson was always a mentally weak fighter, even in his prime, the first time someone stood up to him and went blow to blow with him, he lost, it's not a coincidence that it became a habit afterwards either, he barely made it out alive against Ruddock, and well you know how the Holyfield fights went, it's absurd to say that Mike Tyson was ever a mentally strong fighter when faced with adversity and yes someone stepping up to you and going tooth and nail with you would be adversity to a prime Tyson seeing how everyone would basically roll over for Mike when he was in his prime

[Gandalf]

It's a bloody stupid argument. It is like suggesting that Khan's 'win' over Barrera meant anything. It meant nothing.

You can't take losses to journeymen at the end of a career as being anything more than just symbolic.

It happens to everyone and doesn't detract from what they once were.

thing is Tyson was always a mentally weak fighter, even in his prime, the first time someone stood up to him and went blow to blow with him, he lost, it's not a coincidence that it became a habit afterwards either, he barely made it out alive against Ruddock, and well you know how the Holyfield fights went, it's absurd to say that Mike Tyson was ever a mentally strong fighter when faced with adversity and yes someone stepping up to you and going tooth and nail with you would be adversity to a prime Tyson seeing how everyone would basically roll over for Mike when he was in his prime

You are talking gibberish.

Tyson beat Ruddock fairly easily both times and took plenty of leather. That is not a man who is mentally weak. Tyson only became more mentally vulnerable after 3 years inside and it would do the same to any fighter.

I maintain my previous argument. You evaluate a fighter on his prime and prime Tyson was a monster.

[El Kabong]

All Tyson fans have are cop outs: Tyson wasn't training, Rooney wasn't in his corner, Cus died, Don King ruined him.....excuses on excuses.

Tyson had no heart

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All Tyson fans have are cop outs: Tyson wasn't training, Rooney wasn't in his corner, Cus died, Don King ruined him.....excuses on excuses.

Tyson had no heart

No heart is sitting in the corner while your in your supposed prime whining about a shoulder injury

Not fighting hard dropping an opponent and eating right after right putting your gumshield back in to get up and carry on fighting

[El Kabong]

Tyson never won a fight where he faced adversity, the Klitschko's have....FACT

[LobowolfXXX]

Tyson never won a fight where he faced adversity, the Klitschko's have....FACT

That sort of punishes Tyson for the fact that he tore through several world champions with no difficulty whatsoever.

[ElTerribleMorales]

All Tyson fans have are cop outs: Tyson wasn't training, Rooney wasn't in his corner, Cus died, Don King ruined him.....excuses on excuses.

Tyson had no heart

No heart is sitting in the corner while your in your supposed prime whining about a shoulder injury

Not fighting hard dropping an opponent and eating right after right putting your gumshield back in to get up and carry on fighting

oh yea and he did that all with a broken back

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All Tyson fans have are cop outs: Tyson wasn't training, Rooney wasn't in his corner, Cus died, Don King ruined him.....excuses on excuses.

Tyson had no heart

No heart is sitting in the corner while your in your supposed prime whining about a shoulder injury

Not fighting hard dropping an opponent and eating right after right putting your gumshield back in to get up and carry on fighting

oh yea and he did that all with a broken back

No, that was against Ettiene

[El Kabong]

I like how this devolved into a Tyson vs The Klitschko's thread....say what you will about either side 'Smokin' Joe Frazier was never an easy fight, even Foreman will admit that.

...Also just to point this out Wlad has fought (and beat) more southpaws than any other heavyweight champion. So from a strict style standpoint, Wlad has had more thrown at him.

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The Tony Tucker that Tyson faced would beat everyone that the Klitschkos have

Just like your blinkered that the Klitschkos are good (and not the fact there is just not the challengers out there like there was 15 plus years ago). You are also blinkered almost programmed to not give Tyson any props. I think it comes from how popular he was and its almost gawdy to mention Tyson in any greatest lists or give him any credit.

Like anyone who lost to Tyson was instantly crap. Mike beat Holmes but then Holmes became a better fighter after Mike smashed him and he beat Mercer? No way Holmes comes in unprepared with his ego.

Frazier had a style that made Ali work but no matter how good your chin is, if its there to be hit it will be against that young Tyson, as Holmes found out.Mike cleaned up a division and fought everyone in that division over a few years and left no question as to who the best was andbecause he was so greatly skilled he made everyone he fought look pedestrian. Its only when he didnt do the things that put him on those experts in the eighties greatest lists that he relied on his more physical assets of power and taking a shot but he just didnt have the same desire. Much unlike Morales who is the opposite. He has desire up to his eyeballs andthe skill is still there but his physical assets are letting him down.