Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Abelardus
People in mma won't go to boxing because it's harder. No disrespect to MMA im just saying its a way more difficult because your only options are your hands. In MMA there are way more options to master and ofcourse you can't master them all. For example if your going to fight a guy that's a great kick boxer you take him to the ground. If he's a great wrestler you stay away and keep the fight on your feet and if your even you fight to see who's better. But in boxing if the opponent is a better boxer there is no way of beating him. That is why it's more difficult. So boxers could go to a cage and still win aslong as they're not taken down. But if an MMA fighter goes in a ring, his hands are his only options and obviously you'll never beat a guy that's been perfecting one thing while you TRY to perfect many things.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever.
If there are more options and ways to win in the UFC than in boxing, then surely there has to be more ways to lose as well.
If you are the best boxer in the world, then it's true people will find it hard to touch you in boxing, a la Floyd Mayweather, but if you are best Ju Jitsu, grappler, wrestler, striker etc then there might always be somebody out there who can neutralise what you do, and attack your weaknesses.
That makes the sport harder, not easier.
As you said yourself in MMA there are more skills to master. Increased complexity cannot lead to simplification or easier fights, it's just a logical impossibility.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Preme
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PUGWARRIOR
Why is it that MMA fighter`s never leave the cage to box while boxers seem to gravite to cage fighting? You would think it would be the other way around seeing theres so much more money to make in boxing(at the higher levels) but im sure if anderson silva would do ok and use his name to make the big bucks. MMA seems a lot harder than boxing(i box and have never tried cage fighting) the rounds are longer and they have so much more to deal with ,wrestling and so forth.
Go back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Wow...the most stupid question you`ve ever seen ???? hahahaha. Id say if anything the striking in MMA is way better now than 10 years ago...of the cage fighters now in mma id say BJ Penn would make the best transition...Freddie Roach has already stated the BJ has the best boxing in MMA and he was being trained by Mayweather sr recently who was also very impressed with his boxing skills.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
Apples and oranges. You might well ask why billiards players don't take up pro golf. I mean both sports end with a ball going in a hole so must be pretty much the same thing. While yes both are combat sports, they are both tremendously different. Many of the comments on this thread stem from entertainment value which is subjective. Boxing is a single discipline sport and is more technical in nature. MMA is a more comprehensive combat sport and requires its participants to at least be competent in many facets. Which is better? Once again depends on what you like to watch and or train in. I can think of some MMA fighters that had they spent their lives training as boxers might be championship caliber boxers and vice versa but they didn't. They chose their sport and are succesful in it. I doubt Anderson Silva cries himself to sleep at night wishing he had been a pro-boxer. The end state is two completely different sports even when just looking at the striking component alone. Boxing fans always denigrate MMA striking b/c they are looking at it through a boxing lense. It just isn't the same thing, hence why it looks very different.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Leighton
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Manos de Piedra
I've tried both and I found boxing more difficult of the two. In my opinion and experience the sweet science is alot more difficult to master than grappling and take downs.
That probably means you are more naturaly gifted at MMA than you are at boxing. Also the level of opposition you fought in either sport.
Its nice to find someone who has done both sports. How did you find the ground game in MMA. Did it come easy to you or did you find people would be able to manouver there way around to always get the advantage. And when you go back into boxing do you find it hard not to try and throw a knee every time you get a fighter that puts his head down to avoid punches.
That might be it, the opposition in boxing was just amateur fighters and in MMA it was beginners to semi pro. I did boxing before MMA so when I started sparring in MMA I found it quite easy to keep guys away with straight punches and front kicks because their stand up was weak. It was easy to block and avoid kicks. For ground game I practiced BJJ which wasn't too bad but against experienced fighters I got maneuvered around but complimented on my strength. The thing is when I was sparring in the MMA gym I would box to keep guy away but when I went boxing I got frustrated and wanted to take guys down. My body shape is more suited to MMA than boxing with my short arms n stocky build.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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El Kabong
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Leighton
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Preme
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PUGWARRIOR
Why is it that MMA fighter`s never leave the cage to box while boxers seem to gravite to cage fighting? You would think it would be the other way around seeing theres so much more money to make in boxing(at the higher levels) but im sure if anderson silva would do ok and use his name to make the big bucks. MMA seems a lot harder than boxing(i box and have never tried cage fighting) the rounds are longer and they have so much more to deal with ,wrestling and so forth.
Go back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Pick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.
Vitali Klitschko.....next question
If I remember Pela Read ko Vitali in a kickbxing match if I am correct.!
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
Vitali klitschko.lol that clumsy frankenstein would get taken down quick and get ground and pounded easily or he gets humped out. Vitali cant do shit in mma.
Vitali is not a good canditate..
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Leighton
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Preme
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Originally Posted by
PUGWARRIOR
Why is it that MMA fighter`s never leave the cage to box while boxers seem to gravite to cage fighting? You would think it would be the other way around seeing theres so much more money to make in boxing(at the higher levels) but im sure if anderson silva would do ok and use his name to make the big bucks. MMA seems a lot harder than boxing(i box and have never tried cage fighting) the rounds are longer and they have so much more to deal with ,wrestling and so forth.
Go back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Pick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.
Vitali Klitschko.....next question
Brock gets close. Vitali pushes his head down. Brock grabs his legs and finishes him. The end.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Manos de Piedra
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Leighton
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Manos de Piedra
I've tried both and I found boxing more difficult of the two. In my opinion and experience the sweet science is alot more difficult to master than grappling and take downs.
That probably means you are more naturaly gifted at MMA than you are at boxing. Also the level of opposition you fought in either sport.
Its nice to find someone who has done both sports. How did you find the ground game in MMA. Did it come easy to you or did you find people would be able to manouver there way around to always get the advantage. And when you go back into boxing do you find it hard not to try and throw a knee every time you get a fighter that puts his head down to avoid punches.
That might be it, the opposition in boxing was just amateur fighters and in MMA it was beginners to semi pro. I did boxing before MMA so when I started sparring in MMA I found it quite easy to keep guys away with straight punches and front kicks because their stand up was weak. It was easy to block and avoid kicks. For ground game I practiced BJJ which wasn't too bad but against experienced fighters I got maneuvered around but complimented on my strength. The thing is when I was sparring in the MMA gym I would box to keep guy away but when I went boxing I got frustrated and wanted to take guys down. My body shape is more suited to MMA than boxing with my short arms n stocky build.
Its good you gave both a go. My mate is a kick boxer. He does reasonable well. He saw the UFC and thought he would give MMA a go. He found the ground game incredibly irritating.
Its not very easy to get off your back and turn it to your advantage. But being strong is helpful in your case. But sometimes with strength comes stamina problems. With the acception of the freak Brock Lesner.
I can understand why people hate the ground game. It gets on my nerves when you get a fighter that just holds the guy down the whole fight and does not go for a submission or a finish. Would like to see a thirty second stand up if nothing happens. But I suppose they cant do that as they would take the advantage away from one guy.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
Leighton - as the main defender of mma on this thread, I wonder if you can help me understand something. How is ground game entertaining?
Clearly, I'm a boxing fan yet I'll completely admit there have been times where I have watched entertaining mma fights, but what keeps from enjoying most mma fights is that I'm not entertained by wrestling or ground game. That's not to say I don't appreciate that a lot of skill goes into ground game because I do. It's just whenever mma combatants start wrestling/ground game, I lose interest. The ground game isn't just on the ground either because it appears frequently one guy wants to take the other guy down (pause) and the whole fight is about one guy foiling the other guy's take down, which also in my opinion makes for a boring fight. So, for me, the most entertaining mma fights I've watched by far consist mostly of striking and kickboxing.
As to kickboxing, you mentioned K1 and I've watched some K1 and I can 100% see the entertainment value (Badr Hari is a bad, bad man). However, there isn't any wrestling in K1 so it makes sense why it would be entertaining to me.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Leighton
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El Kabong
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Leighton
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Preme
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PUGWARRIOR
Why is it that MMA fighter`s never leave the cage to box while boxers seem to gravite to cage fighting? You would think it would be the other way around seeing theres so much more money to make in boxing(at the higher levels) but im sure if anderson silva would do ok and use his name to make the big bucks. MMA seems a lot harder than boxing(i box and have never tried cage fighting) the rounds are longer and they have so much more to deal with ,wrestling and so forth.
Go back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Pick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.
Vitali Klitschko.....next question
Brock gets close. Vitali pushes his head down. Brock grabs his legs and finishes him. The end.
Where is the art and beauty in that vulgar abomination of human form? Sorry, I mean the previous description you gave.
It is hideous and so gay.
You really like that shit?
Why do you post on a boxing forum?
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Leighton
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Manos de Piedra
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Originally Posted by
Leighton
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Originally Posted by
Manos de Piedra
I've tried both and I found boxing more difficult of the two. In my opinion and experience the sweet science is alot more difficult to master than grappling and take downs.
That probably means you are more naturaly gifted at MMA than you are at boxing. Also the level of opposition you fought in either sport.
Its nice to find someone who has done both sports. How did you find the ground game in MMA. Did it come easy to you or did you find people would be able to manouver there way around to always get the advantage. And when you go back into boxing do you find it hard not to try and throw a knee every time you get a fighter that puts his head down to avoid punches.
That might be it, the opposition in boxing was just amateur fighters and in MMA it was beginners to semi pro. I did boxing before MMA so when I started sparring in MMA I found it quite easy to keep guys away with straight punches and front kicks because their stand up was weak. It was easy to block and avoid kicks. For ground game I practiced BJJ which wasn't too bad but against experienced fighters I got maneuvered around but complimented on my strength. The thing is when I was sparring in the MMA gym I would box to keep guy away but when I went boxing I got frustrated and wanted to take guys down. My body shape is more suited to MMA than boxing with my short arms n stocky build.
Its good you gave both a go. My mate is a kick boxer. He does reasonable well. He saw the UFC and thought he would give MMA a go. He found the ground game incredibly irritating.
Its not very easy to get off your back and turn it to your advantage. But being strong is helpful in your case. But sometimes with strength comes stamina problems. With the acception of the freak Brock Lesner.
I can understand why people hate the ground game. It gets on my nerves when you get a fighter that just holds the guy down the whole fight and does not go for a submission or a finish. Would like to see a thirty second stand up if nothing happens. But I suppose they cant do that as they would take the advantage away from one guy.
Stamina is definitely an issue in ground game.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Leighton
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El Kabong
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Leighton
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Preme
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PUGWARRIOR
Why is it that MMA fighter`s never leave the cage to box while boxers seem to gravite to cage fighting? You would think it would be the other way around seeing theres so much more money to make in boxing(at the higher levels) but im sure if anderson silva would do ok and use his name to make the big bucks. MMA seems a lot harder than boxing(i box and have never tried cage fighting) the rounds are longer and they have so much more to deal with ,wrestling and so forth.
Go back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Pick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.
Vitali Klitschko.....next question
Brock gets close. Vitali pushes his head down. Brock grabs his legs and finishes him. The end.
Because Brock does so well with punchers??? You MIGHT want to re-think that answer. Vitali was a WORLD CHAMPION Kickboxer...it's not like he doesn't know how to keep people off of him
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Nobody and I mean NO-BODEEEEE in MMA punches like Vitali Klitschko. Straight, accurate, powerful.
If these MMA guys JUST did standup, I'm fairly certain that even I with my limited boxing skill could counter them easily....a simple roll and counter move would destroy the majority of MMA fighters on ALL levels.
Take Rampage vs Liddell II for example...Chuck pushes out a lazy punch and drops his hand rather than snapping it and bringing it back to guard against a counter...THAT is why Chuck wasn't a boxer because that is easily exploitable by any run of the mill fighter.
Re: Why dont MMA fighter`s turn to boxing?
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Gandalf
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Leighton
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Leighton
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Originally Posted by
Preme
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Originally Posted by
PUGWARRIOR
Why is it that MMA fighter`s never leave the cage to box while boxers seem to gravite to cage fighting? You would think it would be the other way around seeing theres so much more money to make in boxing(at the higher levels) but im sure if anderson silva would do ok and use his name to make the big bucks. MMA seems a lot harder than boxing(i box and have never tried cage fighting) the rounds are longer and they have so much more to deal with ,wrestling and so forth.
Go back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Pick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.
Vitali Klitschko.....next question
Brock gets close. Vitali pushes his head down. Brock grabs his legs and finishes him. The end.
Where is the art and beauty in that vulgar abomination of human form? Sorry, I mean the previous description you gave.
It is hideous and so gay.
You really like that shit?
Why do you post on a boxing forum?
Dont get me wrong. I prefere boxing to MMA. This thread started out with people saying that a boxer could go into UFC with no understanding of the ground game and beat an MMA fighter.
I love the fact that boxing is stand up all the time and they display a whole different skill level in boxing to the standard UFC fighter.
But as a fight fan I cannot dissregard a certain type of fighting. It does not make sense to me. The fact that if you were to truely have a battle with someone you would not be able to tell them to they are not allowed to grab the other guy. UFC has rules in place of course but that is only for safety reasons. It is the closest thing to an all out battle you can get.
The ground game has its own complexities. I started to enjoy it the first time I saw Nogera fight in pride. He was getting beaten in the stand up and the other guy knocked him down. He was on his back and the other guy went for the finishing punch. He got hit with it but somehow managed to hold onto his arm. After a few seconds of the guy trying to puch from the dominant position he wrapped his legs around his head and pulled of an amasing triangle choke hold. That was it. The guy was bigger and stronger than him but he had the skill to perform a move when he was in that state.
If you get two good ground fighters they will sweep each other. Pull of multiple submission attempts. Escape from difficult submissions. Or stuff takedowns and get the knock out.
Then as well as that you have knees, kicks and move like spinning back fists. You may get alot of boring fights but so does boxing. When you get a good fight you can truely apreciate the skill each fighter has.
