Yes He had an Office at the Palace, which He shared ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Interesting it does not surprise me, the thing is back then things were different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
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Yes He had an Office at the Palace, which He shared ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoInteresting it does not surprise me, the thing is back then things were different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
apparently Cliff Richard is another protected one...
I was told in the early 80's, by a landlady of a local pub , arrested in a toilet in Preston:gay5:Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
so much for the clean cut image.;)
Something about it all just sounds wrong to me. With the numbers being bandied out it just seems absurd that complaints were not made in his lifetime. Savile was a bloody TV presenter of all things, a DJ, if you are predating young children then complaints are made, investigations get done and you get put away. End of.
I am not buying into this 'protected' argument. All those years being allowed to fondle more and more children? Many more people than Savile are responsible for allowing that to go on unchecked if these allegations are true. Jimmy Savile wasn't Kim Jong Il. Just a TV clown who raised money for charity. Not a truly powerful or meaningful individual. Nobody felt prepared to take him on? It makes NO sense.
Nothing can be achieved by raking Savile over the coals now. It was all too long ago and anyone involved is now older and damaged or was involved and is dead. I don't see anywhere it can go. Far too late.
I voted yes, but I don't think it really matters as he can never be brought to justice. Some of the girls continued to have sexual relations with him until their 20's? They both make the 'I was just a naive girl' argument too. No girl of 15 is that naive and no girl should be going to the dressing room of any middle aged man. I am sure many a famous musician has done it with a teenage girl too. I have little sympathy for teenage groupies. Were these girls really naive for several years and well into adulthood? They were scared of the consequences? So scared that they continued allowing him to get his wicked way year after year? Come on now.
Savile was probably a nut, but a lot of these 'victims' seem a bit dubious too. For me a paedophile is someone who goes after young children. 15 and 16 are only different in the eyes of the law. Also 15 and alone with a weird sounding and looking freak like Jimmy Savile. That doesn't add up either, all very dodgy.
I remember when I was around 7 - 12 years old or there about. There was this guy who lived around the corner from my mum and dads house who was a bit weird. 40 - 50 maybe, lived with his mum. His life consisted of walking to the local shops and back and that was it. Looking back he was always inappropriate with kids, always stopping to chat, always touching. Generally it was a stroke of the face, a hand on the shoulder, never anything that you'd immediately think was sexual or clearly wrong.
Now if someone came out of the woodwork today and said that guy went way beyond what I saw with my own eyes I could easily think of 10 - 15 kids who might say actually......he was inappropriate with me too.
Now put that guy into Jimmy Savilles position. Miles can you see how 10 - 15 could easily become 150 - 200?
Paedophilia is a new thing isnt it? The label I mean. The guy I mentioned never did anything like that to me so I never had cause to talk to my parents about it, but if any of my friends did I wouldn't be surprised if the response they got was to stay away and no more. Today if my son came to me and said a grown up had touched him and he didnt want them to I'd be inside for beating them to death with one of their own limbs.
I know the excuse/reason?? that things were different back then is a flimsy one but we're looking at it through 2012 eyes. Things were different, there was no label to slap on someone that behaved like that other than weird bloke down the road. If a dozen or so kids can ignore or not quite understand that what a grown up was doing was wrong and say nothing, it could also happen to a lot more who looked up to said grown up as some kind of hero.
Good post and I agree with most of it. But watching that documentary I saw things that didn't quite gel with the narrative. Of course, people are more protective now, but for one girl to be having a several year fling with him? It doesn't add up.
It all points to him having been up to no good and I am not even trying to play devils advocates really. I only wished people got their balls together and defended their abuses as children then and in numbers, it would have gone somewhere and he have had to reflect.
Something seriously went wrong in this taking until now to come out. If police had known about it, they should have been onto him waiting for the next faux pas. And then get him.
Just all too late. :-\
You're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.
I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.
It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.
There are too many people coming out to say that he was not having sex with under age children. Gandolf, the culture within the institutions that he worked in must have not allowed them to speak up, although they had a responsibility to do something. Children need to be protected and if 16 is the age then adults have to respect that and not abuse their position in power and should know better.
Freddie Star is also now being implicated.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the notion of a 15 year old being a blameless innocent. Savile was likely a bit of a pervert, but many of these teenage girls were sexually aware and were complicit. If you are still shagging the old man into your 20's then you are the idiot. Were you really still playing with Barbie at 15 or did you know a thing or two about the world? I know I did. These were not little girls, these were sexually blossoming teenagers. In centuries gone by you could even marry them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYou're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.
I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.
It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.
If it was children of 6 we were talking about with thumb in mouth and a teddy bear in the free arm, I would be a lot more distressed, but otherwise, not really. Savile is dead and the deeds were done. Have you heard the latest claim? A patient recovering from surgery now confesses to having seen Savile molest a brain damaged patient. I mean really, you come out all these years later and make that public. It has become a feeding frenzy.
Likely some truth, but also likely a lot of horseshit too.
An adult needs to control himself no matter what his urges are and I think that applies to paedophile or playboy alike. You know your boundaries and should never cross them. I recall my math teacher being given the boot because he slept with a student. He had no idea she was a student at the school. But she was 15 and in a nightclub. He was wrong, but she wasn't entirely blameless. Clearly she was sexually aware and looking for a good time. Not really a victim of anything. Anyone could really become a child abuser in that setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I keep saying that Savile is likely guilty, but I just don't think it is totally one sided and the fact that NOTHING was ever done in his lifetime just seems really quite absurd to me. The latest brain damage molestation allegation seems a bit much. What next? Savile raped Orville the Duck because he was turned on by the nappy? That I would be concerned about as Orville was nothing more than a toddler.
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Good article and I agree with most of the points made.
Saville's dead, cant defend himself and the women coming forward should just leave it, indeed they're cowards :-X
That's pretty much what the guy said in a round the houses why use ten when you can use a thousand words kinda way.
Great article. Nothing you cant get from any number of facebook or twitter rants by the 'If he'd done that to me!!!!!' brigade.
ı once fucked a 15 year old gırl---but I was 16!!! :)
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