Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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brocktonblockbust
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Mr140
I think brockton is just pissed because Rocky would get his ass kicked into days heavyweight division. I mean ever sense he admitted it he has had some kind of agenda against the big guys in the division. Did Tyson or Holyfeild do so poorly against big guys not really. I mean Holyfeild beat Bowie in the rematch and Took Lewis in rematch to a draw at the very least and he was like fucking 37 years of age. If being big was such a advantage then how come Vitali, Wlad and Lewis are the only champs you can think of who were huge and good at boxing. There are plenty of big guys now yet not one is even close to those guys you know why there not because they are not as skilled in boxing being big can work against you to. I mean you lose speed and in the inside it can be rough for you with long arms but the guys i mention have worked on it because there great heavys.
point 1---Rocky would not fight somebody 6 foot 7 and 250 pounds. Thats ridiculous. He was 3 weight divisions under that stature. Why would I even consider Rocky fighting Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury? Neither I nor Rocky would even consider it.
point 2---I love Foreman he is probably my number 2 alltime favorite. Nothing against big guys.
point 3---they are not the only 3. currently no one seems to be able to beat either Klitschko, nobody soundly ever beat Valuev, nobody can seem to touch Tyson Fury, nobody could get past Lennox's reach except for those 2 freak times lets call them, and how many other boxers actually were there over the past 10 years who were above 6 foot 5 and 250 pounds anyway? Its becasue there weren't very many human beings in boxing who were that size. Its rare for a boxer to be 6 foot 5 and 250 pounds-plus. The ones who are that size seemed to be champions in my opinion.
Could Rocky Marciano ro Joe Frazier or Mike Tyson or Jerry Quarry or Evander Holyfield even REACH THE FUCKING CHIN OF TYSON FURY????
Uh, yes? They would all clobber him in a few rounds tops. I think it's kind of funny that you include Valuev and Fury in your arguement here. The way they fight is actually quite typical for men of that size, they are slow and clumsy as hell. Lewis and the Klits are dominant because they have the speed and dexterity of smaller men, they don't by any means represent men of their size by and large. It's no different than a lightweight who punches like a welter, that's a natural advantage that is very difficult to overcome if said fighter develops his craft well.
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
Tyson Fury would get killed by a prime Tyson what are you talking about Brock?
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Mike Tyson.
If he were a 6ft 4 hulking mass of muscle, he'd be Frank Bruno.
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
Without reading anything other then the opener to this thread, its seems pretty pointless to me. You cant say a fighter is only good because of there size because thats part of them. You could then say what fighter would not have been so great without their speed, their power etc.
You could take one think from any fighter and they would not have been so great.
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Havyweights Primo Canerra was 6'6" 250 and although most of his bouts were controlled by the mob he did know how to use his height advantage especially because he punched with very little power!
Ali might have had a tuffer time if he was 6' tall. His reactions and eye hand coordination was above everyone elses but his unconventional habit of "leaning back" from punches wouldn't be as effective without his 6'3" advantage!
Wlad Klitz has used his height advantage as well as anyone through boxing history! His height gives him a reach advantage also and without his 6'6"/7" height I don't believe he has the success he's had! His skills are ordinary and his power is above average but his height is the deciding factor against inupt challengers who don't have the skills or willingness to get under him!
Tommy Hearns obviously used his 6'1" at 147 to a huge advantage to go along with dropping a huge right hand! Tommy used his height well but was at a disadvantage once his opponent broke inside him! Also those long skinny legs weren't the best "shock absorbers" when punches bounced off his chin! Hearns had more heart than most, thats for sure!
Jess Willard 6'7" thats about it for Big Jess he was a tuff SOB but if he was 6' he'd never have the success he had!
Sndy Sadler at 5'9" 126lb featherking had a huge advantage in size but he didn't need it hahaha!!
After being stopped in his second pro fought he fought 161 more fights and was NEVER stopped again! He was a big feather that could punch holes in walls!
Theres plenty more but heres a few I think are pretty meaningfull. Ray
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Pavlik
1. Tony Margarito as a welterweight
2. Brandon Rios as a lightweight and junior welterweight
3. Adrian Broner as a superfeather and lightweight
4. Saul Alvarez as a junior middleweight
I agree.
You can add on the list :
5. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. as a Middleweight
6. Nonito Donaire as a flyweight and bantamweight
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Greenbeanz
Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.
bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.
p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.
Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Mike Tyson.
If he were a 6ft 4 hulking mass of muscle, he'd be Frank Bruno.
bruno is thelb4lb best heavyweight of all time
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its a bit of a daft question in someways because a boxxers physical advantages are his weopons
mayweather wouldnt be as good if he wasnt so quick
lewis wouldnt have been so good if he wasnt so big
but lewis would have fought a different style if he was a few inches shorter and more than likely would still have been a success
wlad klit tho relies so heavily on his size, he protects his chin with his size
I would say take away klits size he wouldnt be anywhere near world champ
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erics44
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Mike Tyson.
If he were a 6ft 4 hulking mass of muscle, he'd be Frank Bruno.
bruno is thelb4lb best heavyweight of all time
He's one of the heaviest with one of the shortest reigns ;D
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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brocktonblockbust
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Greenbeanz
Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.
bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.
p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.
Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.
Mentioning Joe Frazier and Tyson Fury in the same thread is heinous enough. The same post is really pushing it. The same paragraph is almost unforgivable. Anyone else and I would have put myself on ignore. I am now going off to cry into my whiskey. :eek:
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here's my problem with the initial statement, size like speed and power is a result of genetics. Some people just have a greater propensity for it. It isn't guaranteed as environmental factors still play a big part.
Now if you take that as a whole, can you really ask would SRR be great if he didn't have his speed and power, would Joe Luis? Would Ali? Would Sweet Pea, would Pacquaio, would Marquez?
You're asking if a fighter would be great if he wasn't himself.
Now here's a kicker, there have been many fighters who are gifted who just fizzled away e.g, Bowe, Medrick Taylor, Fernando Vargas, and the list does go on.
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I wonder what Mike Tyson would have been like if he was Valuev's size?
Re: Boxers who you think would NOT have been so great if not for their size
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Greenbeanz
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brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Granted at 6 foot 7 is very tall . Your argument does not hold up to much scrutiny.
bullshit. Michael Granted was 6 foot 8. Now you are subtracting an inch.
p.s. Beanz. Those Fury clips prove shite mate, in the 2nd clip yes Fury goes down at 545 but he almost knocks out his opponent at 6:07. He reovered fast and held on due to his gargantuan size. Then lands a wicked overhand right. He only survived for his size, hanging on and clutching and smothering. Thats another thing a huge guy can do when hurt---clutch and smother and grab, the oppoent cannot even bee seen he is totally covered up as if by a giant squid.
Joe Frazier had nowhere to clutch and hold when Foreman batted him about the ring in '73. He was too small. Lewis could clutch and hold with his huge arms until he recovered, like Fury did in both of your clips.
Mentioning Joe Frazier and Tyson Fury in the same thread is heinous enough. The same post is really pushing it. The same paragraph is almost unforgivable. Anyone else and I would have put myself on ignore. I am now going off to cry into my whiskey. :eek:
Oh please. Such melodrama. "heinous", "unforgivable", "ignore", "cry", "whiskey"....:rolleyes:
Beanz you could be a script writer for a Korean drama. They make mountains out of mole hills over there!
