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Whoops, I forgot about the late Vernon Forrest.
He was another elite guy at 147 that would've been very difficult for Floyd.
Even that nutbar the late Edwin Valero. Pretty wild lookin' in the ring, but that kind of guy would've been a nightmare for Floyd.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
You would think so but he couldn't stop Manny from darting in and out and getting caught with Juans right hand in 4 fights. I think there is a stage where certain mistakes almost become impossible to break. I think it might be something Khan did in the amateurs and got away with because he was so much more skilled then his opponents.Oddly enough Kell Brook does the exact same thing. Shane never stopped closing his eyes when he threw punches and even in the pocket. It 's probably why he was so easy to hit and yet he never changed.Its almost like the mistakes become subconscious. The more I worry about not moving my head when I tee off the more I move it. The worst thing that happens with that is I loose one of the balls I found earlier on the course. I'd wager that Khan gets stopped by Alexander via a left hook moving straight back. Having said all that lol I still feel that he has the abilities to give Mayweathers approach to fights fits.Quote:
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Originally Posted by IamInuitI've always thought that with Khan its more the when he gets plugged then having a below par chin. The only other guy in the weight area that I have seen step straight back like he does is his countrymen Kell Brook. Not only does Khan pull straight back but he does it like a post standing completely upright, lead hand down with his chin in the air testing the wind speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I've never watched Khan fight, but isn't Freddie Roach his coach? would've Roach have corrected that already?
IamInuit,
Ah, thanks... practice doesn't make pefect, "perfect practice makes perfect'... Khan had already ingrained bad habits into his 'muscle memory' and guess no matter what Freddie did, he couldn't correct it.
I looked at the puck in various degrees until I got to Midget A hockey. I just never got caught at the blue line with my head down before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stickgrappler
All of these guys are elite fighters brother and you know its easy for us to say but certain fighters do rinse and repeat both offense and defense and one does not have to be Archer or Futch to see it. The other fighter in the pocket sees it hence the result. I dont think a world class trainer is needed to point this out. Khan is living evidence of this. He's without a doubt one of the most gifted boxers on the planet minus a functional brain pan. A woulda, coulda long after I'm dead.
Manny is a great example. The darting in. The opening for the straight right. Even with that it took Marquez 4 fights to land the perfect shot. So why would a guy change a fault that the second best counter puncher in the world could not cash in on?
Which fighter has Roach improved skill set "0" . Rode Pac's ass into fame / fortune and hall of fame. Roach is just not a very good trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou would think so but he couldn't stop Manny from darting in and out and getting caught with Juans right hand in 4 fights. I think there is a stage where certain mistakes almost become impossible to break. I think it might be something Khan did in the amateurs and got away with because he was so much more skilled then his opponents.Oddly enough Kell Brook does the exact same thing. Shane never stopped closing his eyes when he threw punches and even in the pocket. It 's probably why he was so easy to hit and yet he never changed.Its almost like the mistakes become subconscious. The more I worry about not moving my head when I tee off the more I move it. The worst thing that happens with that is I loose one of the balls I found earlier on the course. I'd wager that Khan gets stopped by Alexander via a left hook moving straight back. Having said all that lol I still feel that he has the abilities to give Mayweathers approach to fights fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by StickgrapplerQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI've always thought that with Khan its more the when he gets plugged then having a below par chin. The only other guy in the weight area that I have seen step straight back like he does is his countrymen Kell Brook. Not only does Khan pull straight back but he does it like a post standing completely upright, lead hand down with his chin in the air testing the wind speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I've never watched Khan fight, but isn't Freddie Roach his coach? would've Roach have corrected that already?
The only time he was in any serious trouble was when Mosley hit him in round 2, Floyd immediately adjusted the game plan and made sure that didn't happen again and he never lost another round.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFloyd is brilliant in the ring but not only that he's brilliant at implementing his game plan. He can adjust and change his game during a fight like nobody else. Either someone will have to get lucky or just simply outmuscle him and over power him and again I don't see him losing to anyone. Even if there was a prime pressure fighter it would be very difficult for such a fighter to beat Floyd. Floyd is too crafty to be outboxed and too quick and too in shape to wilt under the pressure from another fighter. Floyd could fight 30 rounds if he had too, amazing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Mayweather is a very smart fighter, he has made the old saying "hit and not be hit" his own. He is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen, Canelo had no answer to him and that was plainly evident as early as round 3, the only person in the world who didn't was CJ Ross...I don't know how you can beat Floyd Mayweather jr.
Floyd is a magical fighter, and his beaten opponents look like a who's who of two generations of fighters.
I wonder whether someone like Aaron Pryor could have pressured him so much that his technique began to disintegrate, I wonder what would have happened if a young, fast, vicious Terry Norris tagged him or if a long armed intelligent boxer/puncher like Arguello was in front of him.
Ray Leonard v Floyd Mayweather at welterweight would have been fantastic.
The two people he might have struggled with would be Roberto Duran at 140lb, or Tommy Hearns at 147. The fact I'm even mentioning Mayweather in the same breath as some of these names shows how highly I rate him, and always have as a boxer
There is only one person that can beat Floyed and that is me.
Vernon Forrest could have beaten him.. If Rigo was the same size, he would beat Floyd.
This was the only quality post in this thread. No wonder nobody liked it, since most people here do not know shit about boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaJudah was a slick Southpaw with an awesome straight left hand... Floyd can't shoulder roll off of his left shoulder AND defend his right side at the same time. How he beats you with the shoulder roll is when you give up on trying to throw left hooks and left hands... but it is an illusion. The straight left hand and the short left hook is right there for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
That's how he got caught with a Mosely right hand in the 2nd round of their fight- all training camp he was preparing for Mosely's left hook, one of the better left hooks in the last 20 years of boxing and left himself open for the right hand.
Notice he recovered well after being tagged with the right hand and changed his defence to a more peakaboo style, with gloves held high- because he knew Mosely was a finisher of the highest pedigree and the only way to not get tagged with more rights and a killer left was to then switch from the shoulder roll, hug and hold a bit, and then give up the body and mid-section to clear the cobwebs and go on to lose the round for lack of activity and from points.
Floyd can't take a left hook or a straight left hand all night- even Judah had him looking for Judah's left hand before he got tagged with Judah's right.
That says something about Floyd, his attention to the right side of his body and/or jaw/equilibrium status on his right side. Could be an eye problem, could be an ear problem and he is disoriented and moves away from it, or it simply could be that one spot that he has to leave open to protect everywhere else with his impeccable defense.
Whatever it is, Floyd CLEARLY doesn't want to take shots to the right side of his face and head... no matter what they say about the peakaboo, the shoulder roll, or the waist-weave (see Pernell Whitaker) you have to leave something open. You just have to.
Why thank you, sir. They typically say that I don't know shit about boxing, either. But my 5 years as an amateur and years of sparring gave me a bit of insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminThis was the only quality post in this thread. No wonder nobody liked it, since most people here do not know shit about boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaJudah was a slick Southpaw with an awesome straight left hand... Floyd can't shoulder roll off of his left shoulder AND defend his right side at the same time. How he beats you with the shoulder roll is when you give up on trying to throw left hooks and left hands... but it is an illusion. The straight left hand and the short left hook is right there for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
That's how he got caught with a Mosely right hand in the 2nd round of their fight- all training camp he was preparing for Mosely's left hook, one of the better left hooks in the last 20 years of boxing and left himself open for the right hand.
Notice he recovered well after being tagged with the right hand and changed his defence to a more peakaboo style, with gloves held high- because he knew Mosely was a finisher of the highest pedigree and the only way to not get tagged with more rights and a killer left was to then switch from the shoulder roll, hug and hold a bit, and then give up the body and mid-section to clear the cobwebs and go on to lose the round for lack of activity and from points.
Floyd can't take a left hook or a straight left hand all night- even Judah had him looking for Judah's left hand before he got tagged with Judah's right.
That says something about Floyd, his attention to the right side of his body and/or jaw/equilibrium status on his right side. Could be an eye problem, could be an ear problem and he is disoriented and moves away from it, or it simply could be that one spot that he has to leave open to protect everywhere else with his impeccable defense.
Whatever it is, Floyd CLEARLY doesn't want to take shots to the right side of his face and head... no matter what they say about the peakaboo, the shoulder roll, or the waist-weave (see Pernell Whitaker) you have to leave something open. You just have to.
Not sure of anyone else's pedigree in the fight game on this board, wouldn't be shocked if someone here had some real professional experience, but I watched, studied and practiced enough to know a little thing or three.
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You put me in the ring with that's the only way to beat him. 😉