manny is about the same as he has been for years

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Originally Posted by OMGWTF

Pac is fine.

I just dont get how everyone suddenly thought he was done due to 1 knockout. (Are people retarded or just overly negative?)

I mean WTF so what.

It means absolutely nothing. He just got caught. He woke up again. No difference. So what.

Yet it seems the general consensus that he is done due to a few seconds of unconsciousness and an otherwise brilliant performance.

He just needs to work on his defense the one area roach sucks at, also a few PED's wouldnt hurt, lastly he needs to devote himself to boxing rather than his political role etc etc

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I don't think a single person here ever said Pacquiao was finished. If anyone's retarded, it's yourself...

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Originally Posted by Hulk

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Originally Posted by OMGWTF

Pac is fine.

I just dont get how everyone suddenly thought he was done due to 1 knockout. (Are people retarded or just overly negative?)

I mean WTF so what.

It means absolutely nothing. He just got caught. He woke up again. No difference. So what.

Yet it seems the general consensus that he is done due to a few seconds of unconsciousness and an otherwise brilliant performance.

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People had reservations after seeing what happened to Roy Jones after his first KO loss.

That wasn't Pac's first KO loss, but it was the first one in a loooooong time since he became a star.

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at least with jones, he looked terrible against tarver in their first fight. he had just come back down from HW. i think that KO did affect him, but im guessing that he was already on his way out before the KO.

i think that its easy to say that pac was in his prime for the few years that he was dominant rather than looking at the facts. pac fought opponents that made him look good. opponents that were hand picked. this isnt saying that he isnt or wasnt a great fighter, but there is a reason that he looked unstoppable during that stretch unlike the rest of his career. did it just so happen that in one fight, he just transformed into a different fighter? pac has improved a little, but i dont think that he really has improved much since his first win over barrera. people can say what they want about him developing a right hand but he already had that. he just learned to use it a little more but nothing that significant. the only thing that i would say he really changed was that he learned to fight on the outside better.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Neither Canelo nor Brandon Rios are stiffs. Any Top 3 man is elite, and they both warrant Top 3 rankings. They both can fight. However, Pacquiao and Mayweather have been on the P4P list for years, Pacquiao being awarded the "Fighter of the Decade" award. They're on a different level, and the proof of how good they really are is that even a bit past it, they're still too much for Top 3 guys who are in their mid-20s and about a decade younger...

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RIOS is a stiff you stand corrected