Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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FinitoElDinamita
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Mr140
Yea thats what i mean why is he not at 147 i mean Bradley fight, Pac fight, and also Jmm fight. Lmw has the ginger thats about it Trout and the other guys name starts with a L are not big attractions. i mean at this point the WW have the bigger names and paydays really no comparison.
You're right and that's another point I want to make.. There are two reasons why Cotto is blowing himself up to fight at 154..
1. He's too lazy to make 147
2. There are too many killers at 147
He fights at 154 cuz the competition is easier.. Businesswise, there is no reason why he should be fighting in a shallow division when there are shitload of huge paydays at 147..
Cotto's "too lazy to make 147", but it's quite alright for JMM to be fighting at that weight. That's pretty damn hilarious even by your standards. Especially when you consider that JMM started as a featherweight, while Cotto began pretty much at junior welter. I actually considered not posting, because you're pretty transparent with your attempts to bait. But your ridiculous claims are a bit much to just let slide.
Think about it (at least try)... One guy travels all the way from 126 to 147 and above, and it's ok. But the other guy, who started at 140, is considered "too lazy" because he can't make 147 anymore. Priceless.
Opinions fall along predictable lines, with some agreeing with you and others not. I'll continue the predictability and state that of course I'd favor Cotto. Adding, however, that I've always been a huge JMM fan, and consider him an all-time great. However, Cotto is an all-time great in his own right, and with more tools in his arsenal than you've ever given him credit for.
So for the purposes of this particular discussion, I'll forego the technical reasons why.... as I know they'd be fully wasted on you, and I've already used up my self-allotted 3 minutes of attention to your thread.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
El Kabong I have to disagree he was never the man at 140, 147 and 154 there were other champs who were there and hand the ring rating also lineal champs. Also he lost to Margarito in the fight to be the top guy now a lot shit on that fight still lost the damn thing. Also let me say this what name at elite level does he have on his resume. The only one was Mosley at 36 which could of been a draw ended up being a md. I say this i am kinda sick of people putting down Bradley not power puncher but got a hell of chin and very well rounded i don't see why he could not pull off a ud against Cotto done just as well at top level fights if not better. When it came to his big fights you got Mosley fucking close and, Pac destroyed him, Mayweather he gave a good fight but clearly lost and was looking like he was done by the 12 and Margarito which he lost. Now he did comeback and beat Margarito but that was after he got the living shit beat out of him by Pac and Mosley and scandal thing so how good was that win. Cotto a good fighter and all but his resume lacks a tad and winning the big fights kinda came short most of the time i just think 147 has the bigger pay days is all.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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TitoFan
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FinitoElDinamita
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Mr140
Yea thats what i mean why is he not at 147 i mean Bradley fight, Pac fight, and also Jmm fight. Lmw has the ginger thats about it Trout and the other guys name starts with a L are not big attractions. i mean at this point the WW have the bigger names and paydays really no comparison.
You're right and that's another point I want to make.. There are two reasons why Cotto is blowing himself up to fight at 154..
1. He's too lazy to make 147
2. There are too many killers at 147
He fights at 154 cuz the competition is easier.. Businesswise, there is no reason why he should be fighting in a shallow division when there are shitload of huge paydays at 147..
Cotto's "too lazy to make 147", but it's quite alright for JMM to be fighting at that weight. That's pretty damn hilarious even by
your standards. Especially when you consider that JMM started as a featherweight, while Cotto began pretty much at junior welter. I actually considered not posting, because you're pretty transparent with your attempts to bait. But your ridiculous claims are a bit much to just let slide.
Think about it (at least try)... One guy travels all the way from 126 to 147 and above, and it's ok. But the other guy, who started at 140, is considered "too lazy" because he can't make 147 anymore. Priceless.
Opinions fall along predictable lines, with some agreeing with you and others not. I'll continue the predictability and state that of course I'd favor Cotto. Adding, however, that I've always been a huge JMM fan, and consider him an all-time great. However, Cotto is an all-time great in his own right, and with more tools in his arsenal than you've ever given him credit for.
So for the purposes of this particular discussion, I'll forego the technical reasons why.... as I know they'd be fully wasted on you, and I've already used up my self-allotted 3 minutes of attention to your thread.
You are not understanding the concept, Tito..There are different levels and circumstances when moving up weight divisions.. A natural featherweight like Marquez moving up two divisions to 147 and a natural 140-147 guy in Cotto jumping up to 154 are totally different.. totally different..
IT's easier for a natural 147 guy to boil down to 140 or move up to 154 as opposed to a naturally small guy like Marquez jumping up multiple weight divisions..
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
The title of the thread may be true if you are talking aboit a weight drained cotto in the later rounds, but throughing out the weight issues marquez has never been able to handle the outside style. So if your toughting skill wise I completely disagree. Cotto would out point marquez.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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miron_lang
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FinitoElDinamita
IF you disagree, tell me why..
HE goes life and death against Juan Diaz.
Cotto is better in all aspects.
Cuz It's much better going life and death against DeMarcus Corley and Ricardo Torress, right? Say what you want about Diaz but his record includes wins over Acelino Freitas, Julio Diaz and Michael Katsidis. All Torres has is a very bad stoppage win over Kendall Holt and a SD win over Mike Arnaoutis that he didn't even deserve.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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FinitoElDinamita
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TitoFan
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FinitoElDinamita
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Mr140
Yea thats what i mean why is he not at 147 i mean Bradley fight, Pac fight, and also Jmm fight. Lmw has the ginger thats about it Trout and the other guys name starts with a L are not big attractions. i mean at this point the WW have the bigger names and paydays really no comparison.
You're right and that's another point I want to make.. There are two reasons why Cotto is blowing himself up to fight at 154..
1. He's too lazy to make 147
2. There are too many killers at 147
He fights at 154 cuz the competition is easier.. Businesswise, there is no reason why he should be fighting in a shallow division when there are shitload of huge paydays at 147..
Cotto's "too lazy to make 147", but it's quite alright for JMM to be fighting at that weight. That's pretty damn hilarious even by
your standards. Especially when you consider that JMM started as a featherweight, while Cotto began pretty much at junior welter. I actually considered not posting, because you're pretty transparent with your attempts to bait. But your ridiculous claims are a bit much to just let slide.
Think about it (at least try)... One guy travels all the way from 126 to 147 and above, and it's ok. But the other guy, who started at 140, is considered "too lazy" because he can't make 147 anymore. Priceless.
Opinions fall along predictable lines, with some agreeing with you and others not. I'll continue the predictability and state that of course I'd favor Cotto. Adding, however, that I've always been a huge JMM fan, and consider him an all-time great. However, Cotto is an all-time great in his own right, and with more tools in his arsenal than you've ever given him credit for.
So for the purposes of this particular discussion, I'll forego the technical reasons why.... as I know they'd be fully wasted on you, and I've already used up my self-allotted 3 minutes of attention to your thread.
You are not understanding the concept, Tito..There are different levels and circumstances when moving up weight divisions.. A natural featherweight like Marquez moving up two divisions to 147 and a natural 140-147 guy in Cotto jumping up to 154 are totally different.. totally different..
IT's easier for a natural 147 guy to boil down to 140 or move up to 154 as opposed to a naturally small guy like Marquez jumping up multiple weight divisions..
Oh, I understand biased double standards quite perfectly, thank you. ;)
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
Styles make fights. Marquez doesn't have the power to keep Cotto off of him the way Manny did. Neither does JMM have the skill to dodge Cotto like Mayweather did- and even Mayweather got hit, cut and hurt a little when he fought Cotto.
Cotto brutalizes JMM over how long it takes. Most likely the ref or the corner would have to stop it.
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Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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ykdadamaja
Styles make fights. Marquez doesn't have the power to keep Cotto off of him the way Manny did. Neither does JMM have the skill to dodge Cotto like Mayweather did- and even Mayweather got hit, cut and hurt a little when he fought Cotto.
Cotto brutalizes JMM over how long it takes. Most likely the ref or the corner would have to stop it.
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Marquez has not been stopped once in his entire career. Now he's suppose to not only stopped but brutalized by a fighter who's gone on record saying he'll rather quit than get hit to many times? Seriously? Come the fuck on with that nonsense.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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TitoFan
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FinitoElDinamita
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TitoFan
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FinitoElDinamita
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Mr140
Yea thats what i mean why is he not at 147 i mean Bradley fight, Pac fight, and also Jmm fight. Lmw has the ginger thats about it Trout and the other guys name starts with a L are not big attractions. i mean at this point the WW have the bigger names and paydays really no comparison.
You're right and that's another point I want to make.. There are two reasons why Cotto is blowing himself up to fight at 154..
1. He's too lazy to make 147
2. There are too many killers at 147
He fights at 154 cuz the competition is easier.. Businesswise, there is no reason why he should be fighting in a shallow division when there are shitload of huge paydays at 147..
Cotto's "too lazy to make 147", but it's quite alright for JMM to be fighting at that weight. That's pretty damn hilarious even by
your standards. Especially when you consider that JMM started as a featherweight, while Cotto began pretty much at junior welter. I actually considered not posting, because you're pretty transparent with your attempts to bait. But your ridiculous claims are a bit much to just let slide.
Think about it (at least try)... One guy travels all the way from 126 to 147 and above, and it's ok. But the other guy, who started at 140, is considered "too lazy" because he can't make 147 anymore. Priceless.
Opinions fall along predictable lines, with some agreeing with you and others not. I'll continue the predictability and state that of course I'd favor Cotto. Adding, however, that I've always been a huge JMM fan, and consider him an all-time great. However, Cotto is an all-time great in his own right, and with more tools in his arsenal than you've ever given him credit for.
So for the purposes of this particular discussion, I'll forego the technical reasons why.... as I know they'd be fully wasted on you, and I've already used up my self-allotted 3 minutes of attention to your thread.
You are not understanding the concept, Tito..There are different levels and circumstances when moving up weight divisions.. A natural featherweight like Marquez moving up two divisions to 147 and a natural 140-147 guy in Cotto jumping up to 154 are totally different.. totally different..
IT's easier for a natural 147 guy to boil down to 140 or move up to 154 as opposed to a naturally small guy like Marquez jumping up multiple weight divisions..
Oh, I understand biased double standards quite perfectly, thank you. ;)
Doggs, u need to wake up. Guys like torres and corley had cotto out on his feet, caught em so hard dude started doing the Rican salsa dance. You might argue that those bouts were at 140 but the fact is, 140 was cotto's best weight.. he was a beast at the weight but was vulnerable at the same time ..
Its not like cotto is any better or significantly stronger at above 140...
At a catchweight of 145 or even at an official 147, marquez would punch a 3rd eye in him...
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
Would be an awesome fight. I think Cotto would edge out a UD, but it wouldn't be easy. His jab would cause Marquez nightmares - doubling up on that piston would keep him off balance and unable to time his counters, but mid-fight Marquez would adjust as per usual. Then the uppercuts start ripping through Cotto's guard as he tries to mix it up and land that left hook that Roach is drilling back into him.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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Violent Demise
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ykdadamaja
Styles make fights. Marquez doesn't have the power to keep Cotto off of him the way Manny did. Neither does JMM have the skill to dodge Cotto like Mayweather did- and even Mayweather got hit, cut and hurt a little when he fought Cotto.
Cotto brutalizes JMM over how long it takes. Most likely the ref or the corner would have to stop it.
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Marquez has not been stopped once in his entire career. Now he's suppose to not only stopped but brutalized by a fighter who's gone on record saying he'll rather quit than get hit to many times? Seriously? Come the fuck on with that nonsense.
When has Cotto ever quit in a fight in his life? Each time he had to have the towel thrown in to save him from being beaten badly- Margarito and Manny come to mind.
As said, styles make fights. Cotto's style and power, when we compare where both of these fighters are at their respective careers, how could anyone have Marquez winning a UD at 150?
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
This fight would have an amazing ebb and flow for however long it lasts.
I think I would side with Cotto if tee fight were to happen tomorrow.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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ykdadamaja
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Violent Demise
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ykdadamaja
Styles make fights. Marquez doesn't have the power to keep Cotto off of him the way Manny did. Neither does JMM have the skill to dodge Cotto like Mayweather did- and even Mayweather got hit, cut and hurt a little when he fought Cotto.
Cotto brutalizes JMM over how long it takes. Most likely the ref or the corner would have to stop it.
:cool:
Marquez has not been stopped once in his entire career. Now he's suppose to not only stopped but brutalized by a fighter who's gone on record saying he'll rather quit than get hit to many times? Seriously? Come the fuck on with that nonsense.
When has Cotto ever quit in a fight in his life? Each time he had to have the towel thrown in to save him from being beaten badly- Margarito and Manny come to mind.
As said, styles make fights. Cotto's style and power, when we compare where both of these fighters are at their respective careers, how could anyone have Marquez winning a UD at 150?
He took a knee without being hit against Margarito. Than his corner threw in the towel. He had already quit. Against Pac he pretty much stopped fighting the last couple of rounds. All he did was back peddle and block punches. He had already quit mentally.
Re: Marquez would fuck Cotto up @ catchweight
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Violent Demise
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ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
Styles make fights. Marquez doesn't have the power to keep Cotto off of him the way Manny did. Neither does JMM have the skill to dodge Cotto like Mayweather did- and even Mayweather got hit, cut and hurt a little when he fought Cotto.
Cotto brutalizes JMM over how long it takes. Most likely the ref or the corner would have to stop it.
:cool:
Marquez has not been stopped once in his entire career. Now he's suppose to not only stopped but brutalized by a fighter who's gone on record saying he'll rather quit than get hit to many times? Seriously? Come the fuck on with that nonsense.
When has Cotto ever quit in a fight in his life? Each time he had to have the towel thrown in to save him from being beaten badly- Margarito and Manny come to mind.
As said, styles make fights. Cotto's style and power, when we compare where both of these fighters are at their respective careers, how could anyone have Marquez winning a UD at 150?
He took a knee without being hit against Margarito. Than his corner threw in the towel. He had already quit. Against Pac he pretty much stopped fighting the last couple of rounds. All he did was back peddle and block punches. He had already quit mentally.
The question is not why you hate Cotto.
The question is who would win between him and JMM.
It would be a good fight, but I'd have to side with Cotto.
