Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
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Gandalf
Well, yeah. Castillo took him hard and Hatton was on him until corruption. All around pick and opponent jazz. He hasn't proven himself the greatest. He really isn't.
So he's not a great fighter because he's had a couple of tough fights in his career :confused:
The guy has been a world champion since 1998. In that 16 YEAR span from then to the present, he's fought nothing but top eschelon guys, most of whom were champions or at least top 5, winning belts from super featherweight to light middleweight.
In that time, not only has he remained unbeaten, but he's won mostly in a way where he has completely dominated his opponents, and allowed him to take minimal damage.
In doing so, he's become the biggest star in boxing history. In this era of highly paid athletes, he is the highest paid of them all.
And he doesn't qualify as an all time great?? Fuck, if that isn't great, I don't know what is.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
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Beanflicker
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Gandalf
Well, yeah. Castillo took him hard and Hatton was on him until corruption. All around pick and opponent jazz. He hasn't proven himself the greatest. He really isn't.
So he's not a great fighter because he's had a couple of tough fights in his career :confused:
The guy has been a world champion since 1998. In that 16 YEAR span from then to the present, he's fought nothing but top eschelon guys, most of whom were champions or at least top 5, winning belts from super featherweight to light middleweight.
In that time, not only has he remained unbeaten, but he's won mostly in a way where he has completely dominated his opponents, and allowed him to take minimal damage.
In doing so, he's become the biggest star in boxing history. In this era of highly paid athletes, he is the highest paid of them all.
And he doesn't qualify as an all time great?? Fuck, if that isn't great, I don't know what is.
Biggest star in boxing history! GTFOH, boxing existed before Floyd and will carry long after he has left. He has done nothing that Pernell Whitaker has not done already.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
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Gandalf
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p4pking
Took him hard could be a little Freudian there:p But seriously, because he was in two competitive fights against world class guys, that lessens his standing somehow? Feel free to point out a fighter who took on all the best challengers possible over years and wasn't given any run for their money, those guys must be slipping my mind.
Close fights in a career of irregular fights at the higher weights. Mayweather has just been tripping and looking for doors. Canelo? He was fighting Matthew Hatton a few fights before. So shit.
Floyd has got silly.
Canelo was far and away the most in demand opponent available Miles, give me a break. If Floyd hadn't fought him everyone would still be adamant that he is/was ducking the guy. It's always once he's beaten people that they were suddenly crap all along, unless they actually performed well against him and then it's because Floyd isn't that great:rolleyes: You can do that with any fighter ever and it's boring as hell. The man has a better record than anyone in decades, only Leonard even comes close and that's because he had rivals. If you were to take away 2 of his fights he doesn't compare either.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
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#1FightFan
we can only hope and pray that this will be his last fight. then maybe we can get a champion in there who is willing to take chances and not fight only fighters he knows he can beat. this whole pacquiao fiasco is sickening. gayweather could prob/possibly beat manny, but as always, he wont even try the challenge. pathetic!
PLEASE RETIRE Floyd. us boxing fans are sick of your bullshit.
I'm no fan boy of Floyd but appreciate what he does which is make the elite look < elite. I was once a Floyd hater. After the Hatton fight I wanted to kill Cortez. I thought Chico would kick his ass. Its always good to revisit and look back with an open mind with the characters in this sport to preserve any sense of objectivity this sport has left. Its like a castle of crooks and charlatans. If not for what happens within the squared circle from time to time it would almost not be worth paying attention.
What I would like to know is who all of these people are that he has ducked? I would like to see a list with names and times? People keep saying he did all this hand picking and only fought those he could beat but there is little if any evidence of that. Any evidence is certainly subject to scrutiny. I mean starting with Castillo if Floyd was the ducker people claim he is/was then he would have never rematched him after such a tough fight. Inside his mind Floyd almost took the first fight as a loss and did what others before him did like Leonard and Robinson.
Speaking of Robinson, most peoples GOAT but not mine, he clearly ducked the crew that made up Murderers Row and specifically Charley Burley but somehow gets a pass. Moore who was also part of that crew was ducked by everyone and fought 160 times before he got a title shot. Many of his duckers are enshrined as atg's. Jack Dempsey never fought a black man and backed out of a Greb fight. I could go on....
So I'd like a list of the guys he ducked leaving out the ongoing circus. If you cancel out the other usual suspect in Margarito(like it or not is was soon after the split),there is no list. I'm eager to hear who they are. Btw, does anybody actually believe that Margareto ever had a chance at beating Floyd?
If you want to continue to call Floyd a ducker then apply some historic meat to it for context and validity instead of simply saying it. If you want to start a top 50 "ducker" list starting with the time Sullivan laced them on in 1882, I guarantee you Floyd wont even make the grade.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
Well, let's respect the decision of Mayweather about his career but we are simply hoping some young boxer kicks his butt as well ;D
Oh by the way, local prints here in the Philippines reported a dare of Manny Pacquiao to Mayweather. Check it out at Pacquiao’s dare to Mayweather: Let’s fight for charity | Inquirer Sports.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
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Master
Biggest star in boxing history! GTFOH, boxing existed before Floyd and will carry long after he has left. He has done nothing that Pernell Whitaker has not done already.
Pernell Fucking Whitaker? You're going to tell me Pernell Whitaker had the fucking star power of a Floyd Mayweather?
I love Pernell, he's one of my all time, but the only thing he has over Floyd is the Gold medal.
Pernell never achieved anywhere near the fame, fortune, or recognition that Floyd has. And like it or not, as amazing as Pernell was, Floyd was the better technician.
Floyd has generated more money for boxing that anyone. And he's doing it in an era where the world could give a fuck less about boxing. It's a dying sport. It's not a mainstream, household sport like it was back in the days of Ali, Leonard, Tyson, ect. He's selling 2.4 MILLION FUCKING PPVS in this day and age and you're talking about Pernell Whitaker? You should be pistol whipped for being so stupid.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
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IamInuit
If you want to continue to call Floyd a ducker then apply some historic meat to it for context and validity instead of simply saying it. If you want to start a top 50 "ducker" list starting with the time Sullivan laced them on in 1882, I guarantee you Floyd wont even make the grade.
For sure. People like to have this romaticized view of "the good old days" where men were men and everyone fought everyone for the love of boxing. BULL SHIT! It's always been about risk and reward.
Ray Robinson didn't fight those guys on Murderer's Row. I don't believe for a second Ray was afraid of any man in the ring, but why would he fight those guys, which would equal a tougher fight for less money, when he could have an easier fight for more money against a well known/mob backed guy? This has been going on since boxing existed, and we're going to say Floyd is garbage because the Pacquiao fight didn't happen? Come on.
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Biggest earner in boxing history isn't the same as biggest star. Lets be honest now.
If you asked non boxing nerds who the biggest earning sports star in the world is, you'd be there forever until you said "I'll give you a clue it's a boxer" - then they'd say Tyson.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
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Beanflicker
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IamInuit
If you want to continue to call Floyd a ducker then apply some historic meat to it for context and validity instead of simply saying it. If you want to start a top 50 "ducker" list starting with the time Sullivan laced them on in 1882, I guarantee you Floyd wont even make the grade.
For sure.
People like to have this romaticized view of "the good old days" where men were men and everyone fought everyone for the love of boxing. BULL SHIT! It's always been about risk and reward.
Ray Robinson didn't fight those guys on Murderer's Row. I don't believe for a second Ray was afraid of any man in the ring, but why would he fight those guys, which would equal a tougher fight for less money, when he could have an easier fight for more money against a well known/mob backed guy? This has been going on since boxing existed, and we're going to say Floyd is garbage because the Pacquiao fight didn't happen? Come on.
I'm one of those people a fair bit of time and to be honest I dont think the "risk and reward" angle is the same at all today and for a litany of reasons. In many past eras people took risk in order to reap the reward. Now in large measure people either get reward for little risk or claim the reward to little to take the risk. But that's another thread.
Its the "ducking" thing that is getting to me when Floyd is talked about. Its thrown around like he's some kind of chronic and practices it as a matter of course and yet its not even clear that he has done it even once. Its an accepted truth with really no basis in fact. That's my beef here.
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
So that leaves the two fights this year and two fights next year with Showtime, who does he fight :confused:
I know who I would have in mind as his last 4 opponents but I think they may be very different than what occurs :eek:
Re: Mayweather says his last fight is Sept 2015
I hope his last fights are exciting and goes against opponents that will be a challenge. Most of the time I order the fights in the hope that maybe this time he'll get beat.
Lol either way I respect him as a very talented fighter even if his attitude isn't the best. Atleast he can back up his talk and you can't argue that.
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I just read this new article where Larry Holmes said Floyd will turn dead broke soon ...
Man so many black guys be hating on him. Why? Cuz they can sense a fake ass nigga
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