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Originally Posted by El Kabong
you keep saying this but it really is the funniest thing you say and is stone wall proof that either you are just as clear about the cheating corruptnes that surrounds wlads fights or your a bit daft
not that im complaining or anything coz i wouldnt do that
see his last fight, fuckin shit wasnt it
If the ref said something or even deducted points Wlad would STILL be champion. So peddle your bullshit elsewhere chump
Shut it cunts, this thread is about poking fun at fatty Peter.
Who Necks??!!!
Well I usually enjoy his style. Clinching is a part of the game so I don't mind a bit of holding on the inside, and when he's using range and his well educated jab and right hand, I think he can be marvelous.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I don't have a problem with the way he usually fights. I don't expect him to fight stupidly to be more entertaining.
But in fights like Ibragimov and Povetkin, I think he was utter shit.
I can understand thatQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell I usually enjoy his style. Clinching is a part of the game so I don't mind a bit of holding on the inside, and when he's using range and his well educated jab and right hand, I think he can be marvelous.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I don't have a problem with the way he usually fights. I don't expect him to fight stupidly to be more entertaining.
But in fights like Ibragimov and Povetkin, I think he was utter shit.
The Ibragimov and Haye fights were the worst. The Ibragimov fight was a great opportunity for him to break out in the States: boxing at the Garden. He was on all sorts of mainstream American media to promote it (I even saw him on Conan O'brien). He's big, he's well spoken, he's fucking a hot actress, he has the ability to bring interest back to the HW division in America... and then he fucking stinks out the joint. Even Manny Steward was pissed at how bad he stunk in that fight.
And of course Haye... ughh. I was telling all my friends who don't care about boxing to watch this fight, how it was gonna be so great, ect, and boom another stinkfest. I blame Haye just as much as him, but I wish he would step it up when it's important.
if the ref stopped wlad holding and there was no corruption surrounding his fights it would be highly likely that wlad would no longer be champ sozQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell I usually enjoy his style. Clinching is a part of the game so I don't mind a bit of holding on the inside, and when he's using range and his well educated jab and right hand, I think he can be marvelous.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I don't have a problem with the way he usually fights. I don't expect him to fight stupidly to be more entertaining.
But in fights like Ibragimov and Povetkin, I think he was utter shit.
thats kind of fair enough apart from holding being against the rules, grappling is one thing, still bending the rules but holding and leaning?
and which fights are we talking about that havent been like those two fights?
i cant think of one
the haye fight he was probably at his most aggressive, he still excessively held round after round and the ref let him do it
the sam peter 2 fight is another prime exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
one of his biggest fans in this thread said it was a boxing lesson when in reality its was just like all the others
watch the first round, he holds 13 times i think i counted
he paws with the jab a bit with no intention, the number of punches he throws that he actually has any intent with (jabs or right hands) is less than the number of times he holds and leans
Well guys are going to clinch in boxing, and outside fighters like Wlad have a tendancy to clinch moreso whenever the fight gets inside. Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins have been doing it forever but they don't get near the shit the Wlad does.
To be honest I don't think it's a one-way street. Povetkin did his fair share of holding as well, and in a lot of fights Wlad's opponents come to "accept" being tied up without trying to fight out of it.
But Wlad is very gifted, he is exceptionally skilled, strong, and he hits very hard, so I get very disappointed when he doesn't put more effort into obtaining a finish early, especially in his biggest fights.
there is clinching in boxing but there is basing your whole strategy on clinchingQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
without the clinching wlad would not still be champion
hopkins does it yes, not anywhere near the level of wlad but he does
provetkin didnt do his fair share of holding, we must have been watching a different fight, he certainly did his fair share of being held
the opponents do accept it yes and its an absolute shame that they have to
wlad is tallented, but his stock is far and above what it would have vere have been if he was made to fight within the rules and the level of corruption wasnt there around his fights
in his second reign as champ which fight has not consisted of the same script as the fights you mentioned above?
wlad is very good at holding, and when he does he is very good at leaning and sapping the strength of his opponents, this wins him the fights, its no surprise to me that the 2 best fighters he has faced have fought on the back foot and done everything they can to avoid the clinch, because IMO is the only way to beat him
I don't think this is as big a factor as you say. In the Povetkin fight it was horrendous, but usually Wlad stays on the outside and boxes. I don't remember ever seeing him jumping in to hold and lean like he did with Povetkin. He ties guys up when they try to bum rush him, but that's the same stuff Floyd and Bhop do. It's going to happen more at HW because these are much bigger, slower, less agile guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
You seem to be telling me that Wlad doesn't have elite boxing skill and simply uses his size to hold and lean to win fights, and that just doesn't mesh with what I've seen of him over the years.
And in the Povektin fight, in the early stages Wlad was doing all the holding IMO, but at the midway point onward Povetkin was hurt, tired and resigned to the fact that he was going to lose the fight and I remember many times him initiating the clinches on the inside and holding onto Wlad while Wlad held his arms in the air to prove he wasn't holding.
That's how I remember it, but there's no way in hell I'm going back to rewatch it to confirm my memory ;D
And to be fair to him with the Haye fight, he did come out aggressive and he did put David on the back foot.
I think most of the blame for that fight goes to David, who talked a big game about him knocking Wlad's head up and then fought a sissy fight.
And if you want to get real with it, Muhammad Ali did the same thing. The second Frazier fight that's all he did, he would flurry and then he would grab onto Frazier and pull his head down all night.
It's not amateur boxing, pro boxing has a history of allowing guys to tie guys up on the inside (until the ref tells them to break) and that's the way it's always been.
But I do agree that Povetkin fight was horrendous and Wlad should have had points taken away.
Yup, Haye talked waaaaaaay too much considering how he fought and he's STILL talking. He's like Steve Buscimi in Fargo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I understand the frustration at the Sultan and Povetkin fights, I too was frustrated watching those waiting for a KO, but to whine about Wlad being a "corrupt champ" is fucking idiotic and just typical of erics44 who is 100% hater