Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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Gandalf
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cyclone
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Max Power
Not as dominant as I expected (I thought it might be a late KO) but still a clear victory for Floyd (some wad reckons it was a "draw" above, must be C J Ross's husband lol).
You should have added a FOURTH possibility...
Imo the most accurate one...
4. Maybe, just maybe, he had a bad night.. And maybe in addition, Marcos had a good night. That's life!
Seems like a passable reason to me for the champ.
But credit to Maidana, he's no fluke now, he's a serious factor in the division.
His performance against Floyd will probably make Broner feel a little better now LOL. Maybe we'll hear that mouth open again soon!! ;D
What did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
Maidana landed over 200 punches against one of the most effective defensive savvy fighters in the world. He outlanded Mayweather in half the rounds. He did effective work on the inside and outside, just as Mayweather did in the rounds he did well in.
In response to the OP, I think Mayweather prepares hard for every fight, but perhaps expected Maidana to be on the level of Guerrero and be coming at him slow and be countered accordingly. Maybe also with thoughts of Gatti in mind too. However, Mayweather is 37 and at the lighter weights fighters always slip at around this age. Mayweather got Mosley at the right time and in turn Maidana got Mayweather at the right time. I don't think Mayweather has his legs for 3 minutes a round anymore and only became semi-elusive after Maidana had worked so hard in the first half of the fight. I think it is just down to age. Cotto showed glimpses of it and now a few years on I think there is further erosion.
I know that sounds like I am discrediting Maidana, who I think actually won the fight, but I don't think he would have walked through the Mayweather of 2008 so easily. Maidana is awkward and difficult, but Amir Khan showed for the first half of their fight how to evade him. Maidana has probably improved too, but advanced age can only mean deterioration for Mayweather too. The man has a practically white beard, he is aging and auditioning for the role of King Lear.
Mayweather was getting ploughed from the off here. I hate to say it, but I think Khan could also outwork Mayweather. He is just old and I don't think he is Calzaghe smart in knowing when to get out. Maybe he flattens Maidana in the rematch, but he is only going to get older. Sam Peter was never as skilled as James Toney, but younger and bigger will happen to someone who doesn't get out at the right time.
Nah, you're wrong, gotta go to bed now but even though I think this cyclone guy is a bit over the top thinking Maidana did not do well, Mayweather clearly won the fight, there can be no 2 ways about that. It was a competitive fight, that's as far as you can take it man, any further than that hateful.
I hate Floyd myself, I think he is scum! But he's the best boxer and he earned the win.. I give credit where it is due!
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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Max Power
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cyclone
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Max Power
Not as dominant as I expected (I thought it might be a late KO) but still a clear victory for Floyd (some wad reckons it was a "draw" above, must be C J Ross's husband lol).
You should have added a FOURTH possibility...
Imo the most accurate one...
4. Maybe, just maybe, he had a bad night.. And maybe in addition, Marcos had a good night. That's life!
Seems like a passable reason to me for the champ.
But credit to Maidana, he's no fluke now, he's a serious factor in the division.
His performance against Floyd will probably make Broner feel a little better now LOL. Maybe we'll hear that mouth open again soon!! ;D
What did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
In case you can't tell I'm trying to be gracious to Marcos here, of course Floyd won a comfortable decision. I am giving Maidana a bit of credit for roughing Floyd a bit whereas previously thought he'd simply knock Maidana out. I am just dead against ascribing any perceived drop in performance to his age!!!
Maidana does deserves major props.
He did the only thing he could.
Mayweather had to beat him at his own game.
I'm sure the extra weight helped Maidana take those shots..especially to the body.
He was smart to come in heavy.
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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Maidana didn't land all that much. It wasn't that close
He didn't land as much as he should've. Those clubbing overhand punches against the ropes were worthless. What he should've done is stepped back and evened out his shots and focused on the body more against the ropes. That being said, Floud did feel his power and showed it by grasping.
I was waiting for someone to bring up Floyd's holding.... that's the most I have seen Money hold like that, ever. Floyd NEVER holds....
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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Max Power
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Gandalf
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cyclone
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Max Power
Not as dominant as I expected (I thought it might be a late KO) but still a clear victory for Floyd (some wad reckons it was a "draw" above, must be C J Ross's husband lol).
You should have added a FOURTH possibility...
Imo the most accurate one...
4. Maybe, just maybe, he had a bad night.. And maybe in addition, Marcos had a good night. That's life!
Seems like a passable reason to me for the champ.
But credit to Maidana, he's no fluke now, he's a serious factor in the division.
His performance against Floyd will probably make Broner feel a little better now LOL. Maybe we'll hear that mouth open again soon!! ;D
What did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
Maidana landed over 200 punches against one of the most effective defensive savvy fighters in the world. He outlanded Mayweather in half the rounds. He did effective work on the inside and outside, just as Mayweather did in the rounds he did well in.
In response to the OP, I think Mayweather prepares hard for every fight, but perhaps expected Maidana to be on the level of Guerrero and be coming at him slow and be countered accordingly. Maybe also with thoughts of Gatti in mind too. However, Mayweather is 37 and at the lighter weights fighters always slip at around this age. Mayweather got Mosley at the right time and in turn Maidana got Mayweather at the right time. I don't think Mayweather has his legs for 3 minutes a round anymore and only became semi-elusive after Maidana had worked so hard in the first half of the fight. I think it is just down to age. Cotto showed glimpses of it and now a few years on I think there is further erosion.
I know that sounds like I am discrediting Maidana, who I think actually won the fight, but I don't think he would have walked through the Mayweather of 2008 so easily. Maidana is awkward and difficult, but Amir Khan showed for the first half of their fight how to evade him. Maidana has probably improved too, but advanced age can only mean deterioration for Mayweather too. The man has a practically white beard, he is aging and auditioning for the role of King Lear.
Mayweather was getting ploughed from the off here. I hate to say it, but I think Khan could also outwork Mayweather. He is just old and I don't think he is Calzaghe smart in knowing when to get out. Maybe he flattens Maidana in the rematch, but he is only going to get older. Sam Peter was never as skilled as James Toney, but younger and bigger will happen to someone who doesn't get out at the right time.
Nah, you're wrong, gotta go to bed now but even though I think this cyclone guy is a bit over the top thinking Maidana did not do well, Mayweather clearly won the fight, there can be no 2 ways about that. It was a competitive fight, that's as far as you can take it man, any further than that hateful.
I hate Floyd myself, I think he is scum! But he's the best boxer and he earned the win.. I give credit where it is due!
Cyclone, like Ron Swanson, are PAID Mayweather bloggers.
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
Maidana is mentally tough. He did excatly what he needed to do to trouble floyd. Unlike that idiot ginger Canelo, he didn't try to outbox Floyd. Maidana made Floyd look old.
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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smashup
I said this before Floyd ducked Khan
Old age...the legs and engine aint there anymore ;-)
Fact... and id be amazed if he ever faces a fast opponent again .
Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. If Khan is so fast why did he hold the ENTIRE fight against Collazo. Old Legs?! If anything, Floyd showed tremendous conditioning to go up against an all out pressure fighter, stay calm, and win. You haters crack me up.
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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I should clarify that yeah, Floyd IS getting old and has been getting "old" for the past few years. Floyd is out of his prime and is nowhere near as quick as he once was.
But it's stupid to use that as a reason. This Floyd was no difference than the Floyd who completely whitewashed Canelo last year.
As much as alvarez look good against other fighters, he learn against floyd that there is another level he hasn't worked hard enough to reach.
I agree old age signs have been showing with mayweather since mosley, but his outside style and lack of brain hits is prolonging his game.
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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Just look at my charming signature image and compare that with the face of Mayweather today. That's a lot of years no matter how well you preserve yourself. 37. I think the same about Marquez today and don't see why he is continuing. Boxers seldom cut the scene with the perfect ending.
Mayweather is far smarter than Calzhage...he does everything better by miles.
Joe should be mention along with Sven Ottke...not Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd fought like he did when he first turned WW.
He really let his hands go and was exchanging.
I seen all 3 fight. And Calzaghe is not on the level of Floyd Mayweather or Sven Ottke. It's disrespectful to Ottke to compare him to Calzaghe
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lol @ Calzaghe being compared to Floyd..
They are leagues apart..
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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Beanflicker
I should clarify that yeah, Floyd IS getting old and has been getting "old" for the past few years. Floyd is out of his prime and is nowhere near as quick as he once was.
But it's stupid to use that as a reason. This Floyd was no difference than the Floyd who completely whitewashed Canelo last year.
Superb job in contradicting yourself completely and then insulting yourself with your own insult. I am glad that you have turned around and agreed. :D
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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Julius Rain
Maidana is mentally tough. He did excatly what he needed to do to trouble floyd. Unlike that idiot ginger Canelo, he didn't try to outbox Floyd. Maidana made Floyd look old.
Yup, trying to box with floyd is the dumbest mistake a fighter can make but yet they all do it..
Sometimes against certain oppositions, no plan is the best plan .. people are talking about this Mayvinci code or whatever that sounds stupid btw but I dont think fighters should not over think when up against floyd.
Just get inside on that ass and throw punches in bunches from odd angles is the best plan against him imo as retarded as it sounds.. fighters should work on their stamina for floyd to force him at a high pace for 12 rounds instead of working on strategy.
Canelo is twice the fighter that maidana is yet he couldnt be half as affective.. look how much of a difference styles can make..
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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FinitoElDinamita
Canelo is twice the fighter that maidana is
Based on what exactly?
Re: Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?
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TitoFan
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FinitoElDinamita
Canelo is twice the fighter that maidana is
Based on what exactly?
He's bigger, younger, and much more skilled.. he's just flat out better and it's beyond obvious.
Are you going to disagree?
