Wladimir Klitschko's Resume

Wlad was perhaps not in the best era of them all but at some point, it's not that much that the era was that crap, it's that Wlad was also that good compared to the others. He'll go down as one of the ATG and his place will be quite legitimate IMO.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

i agree that its not wlads fault that the division is so bad, but he proved that he wasnt that great before the division turned into the worst HW era in history. he wasnt dominant until the earlier generation of HWs retired or at least fell into obscurity. my question is how much did steward help him? honestly, wlad was pretty good before he got steward as a trainer but i believe that after he got him as a trainer, his level of opposition also went down. so im not sure how much of his success since then has been a new trainer and how much was the level of opposition which made him look good.

and also like i always say, anybody who brings up his style being boring needs to stop. that has no relevance on how good he is or will be. if he is good, his excitement doesnt matter. wlads tactics mainly work because his opposition is so bad. like ive mentioned in another thread, fighters usually allow their opponent to hold. just watch corrie sanders. when wlad tried to grab him sanders just pushed him and kept swinging.

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wlads boring style has everything to do with his success


he is boring because he holds


holding is against the rules


I don't think there has ever been a champion of any weight that holds and breaks the rules even a fraction as much as the extreme amounts that wlad does

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wait what?!?! i thought that it was ward who cheated the most. get your stories straight! :p

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I didn't say that


and no ward doesn't cheat the most


wlads cheating is horrendously extreme and blatant


ward fights within the rules, his holding is more grappling and spoiling, which you cant punish


hes never gonna make any big money fighting that way tho, despite how good he is

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Wlad was perhaps not in the best era of them all but at some point, it's not that much that the era was that crap, it's that Wlad was also that good compared to the others. He'll go down as one of the ATG and his place will be quite legitimate IMO.

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this era is crap...no need to deny it.

Calling him an ATG is not legitimate on any level...I'm sure you know this.
He's fought in the weakest era EVER and still managed to get himself KTFO.

Joe Louis had a bum of the month TOUR.

Vlad had a bum of the month CAREER and still got blasted.

Wlad doesn't get the credit he deserves. He has been smashing everyone for the last 10 years or so.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Wlad doesn't get the credit he deserves. He has been smashing everyone for the last 10 years or so.

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even if his reign was legitimate I think smashing is a bit kind

Getting knocked out by three different door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesmen before your 25th birthday seals the deal on a resume. It means you're a bum. The complete and total lack of interest on this bore's career illustrated by zero networks or PPV providers wasting their time to show his snooze fests validates that. :lickish:

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Originally Posted by gisco

getting knocked out by three different door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesmen before your 25th birthday seals the deal on a resume. It means you're a bum. The complete and total lack of interest on this bore's career illustrated by zero networks or ppv providers wasting their time to show his snooze fests validates that. :lickish:

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LOL

Amen...!

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Originally Posted by gisco

Getting knocked out by three different door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesmen before your 25th birthday seals the deal on a resume. It means you're a bum. The complete and total lack of interest on this bore's career illustrated by zero networks or PPV providers wasting their time to show his snooze fests validates that. :lickish:

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So you don't think it's impressive for a guy to lose early in his career, correct the problems in his style, and go on to become a dominant champion?

I mean fine if you don't I just am wondering if the guy was so easy to beat back then... you know.....why doesn't someone just up and beat him now?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by gisco

Getting knocked out by three different door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesmen before your 25th birthday seals the deal on a resume. It means you're a bum. The complete and total lack of interest on this bore's career illustrated by zero networks or PPV providers wasting their time to show his snooze fests validates that. :lickish:

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So you don't think it's impressive for a guy to lose early in his career, correct the problems in his style, and go on to become a dominant champion?

I mean fine if you don't I just am wondering if the guy was so easy to beat back then... you know.....why doesn't someone just up and beat him now?

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I don't think it's impressive for a guy to get his azz beat, and then go on to have his big brother beat up the big mean men who hurt him because he's too much of a p#ssy to do it himself.

I mean it's fine if you'd wish the other 7 billion people on the planet would go through that 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' procedure and have the memories of him being beaten like he stole something by three tomato cans erased from their memories as if it didn't happen, but unfortunately it DID happen. If I wanted to watch a guy named Klitschko fight I'd watch Vitaly.....you know......the one with balls :lickish:

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Originally Posted by gisco

I don't think it's impressive for a guy to get his azz beat, and then go on to have his big brother beat up the big mean men who hurt him because he's too much of a p#ssy to do it himself.

I mean it's fine if you'd wish the other 7 billion people on the planet would go through that 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' procedure and have the memories of him being beaten like he stole something by three tomato cans erased from their memories as if it didn't happen, but unfortunately it DID happen. If I wanted to watch a guy named Klitschko fight I'd watch Vitaly.....you know......the one with balls :lickish:

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Joe Louis got hammered by Max Schmelling before he became The Greatest Heavyweight Champion of All-Time and once a guy like Mike Tyson got beat he never fully recovered, Evander Holyfield had a yo-yo career full of wins and losses, Lennox Lewis had a few hiccups in his career, why is it that Wladimir alone gets this much disdain? You bring up Vitali fighting Wlad's opponents well the opposite is true as well Vitali lost to Chris Byrd (albeit due to injury) and Wladimir beat the shit out of Chris Byrd. Wladimir also avenged his loss to Lamon Brewster.

Point being is I think to be so harsh on a fighter's career is disingenuous, but suit yourself his 10 years of being top dog in the division is nothing to sneeze at

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Wlad was perhaps not in the best era of them all but at some point, it's not that much that the era was that crap, it's that Wlad was also that good compared to the others. He'll go down as one of the ATG and his place will be quite legitimate IMO.

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this era is crap...no need to deny it.

Calling him an ATG is not legitimate on any level...I'm sure you know this.
He's fought in the weakest era EVER and still managed to get himself KTFO.

Joe Louis had a bum of the month TOUR.

Vlad had a bum of the month CAREER and still got blasted.

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You know who else has a bum of the month career so far? Gary Russell. Remember him? The fighter you were giving virtual bj's to on a daily basis. Only to abandon him like a coward when he got dealt with, without much trouble.

Violent_Demise

We talking about heavyweights here sorry mexican...take your little ass to another thread bitch.;D

Talking shit about Russell Jr won't pull mexican boxing out of the toilet.

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Originally Posted by cyclone

Violent_Demise

We talking about heavyweights here sorry mexican...take your little ass to another thread bitch.;D

Talking shit about Russell Jr won't pull mexican boxing out of the toilet.

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Aww... don't be too hard on the poor bastard.
He's got enough problems with his fascination for blowjobs (giving them, that is).

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Originally Posted by cyclone

Violent_Demise

We talking about heavyweights here sorry mexican...take your little ass to another thread bitch.;D

Talking shit about Russell Jr won't pull mexican boxing out of the toilet.

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Strange that everytime someone mentions Lomachenko or Crawford you bring up GGG. But thats allowed eh?

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Originally Posted by cyclone

Violent_Demise

We talking about heavyweights here sorry mexican...take your little ass to another thread bitch.;D

Talking shit about Russell Jr won't pull mexican boxing out of the toilet.

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What thread you want me to go back to? Is it the one where you swore Russell was gonna destroy Lomachecko, only to get own worse than his ancestors did back in the day?