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Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
It was Lewis and Holyfield who never owned the division. No one has since Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKeep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
This gets said a lot. As if Tysons era of the late eighties was shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKeep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Tyson wiped the floor with Holmes. Holmes went on 4 years later to push Holyfield to a competitive 12 rounds.....
Holmes also beat Mercer clearly. The same Mercer who was robbed against Lewis.....
Basically, Tyson's left overs were too good for 90s fighters.
No probably not because he is not a super middle weight unlike JR who thinks he has the right to fight at any weight, against anyone, without having to fight a live body first. It would take Froch a while to catch Saunders though.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossA lot of top names in the sport are giving Eubank Jr glowing praise after seeing him in action or facing him in sparring. Froch thought enough of him to use him in his most important fight. Could billy Joe force Froch back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanzor the end.........hopefullyQuote:
Originally Posted by rossHmm, Eubank Jr is getting his chance to become a national superstar now against Saunders. Just like his old man v Benn, he didnt have any name opponents and battered Benn. This is the start of a special fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
How do you figure that Evander and Lennox never owned the division? Especially Lennox, that guy cleaned out the division when it was in much better shape than when Tyson was champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIt was Lewis and Holyfield who never owned the division. No one has since Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKeep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Tyson's era was shit. There just wasn't the depth with fat guys like Tubbs, Page, Witherspoon, limited guys like Smith, Tucker and Ruddock or has beens like Holmes and Spinks (who was also tiny). Say whatever you want to rationalize your admiration of Tyson, but the guy has only one win over a HOF heavyweight and that was a washed up Holmes. Spinks will be a HOFer, but not for what he did at heavy, just in case someone wanted to try and sharpshoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThis gets said a lot. As if Tysons era of the late eighties was shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKeep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Tyson wiped the floor with Holmes. Holmes went on 4 years later to push Holyfield to a competitive 12 rounds.....
Holmes also beat Mercer clearly. The same Mercer who was robbed against Lewis.....
Basically, Tyson's left overs were too good for 90s fighters.
The 90's had Foreman, Evander, Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, the Klitschko brothers, Moorer, Byrd, Ibeabuchi...etc. No competition between the retreads Tyson feasted on and the depth and caliber during the 90's.
Holyfield's victory over Tyson is a semi-valid one, but Lewis beat the fat, washed up shell of what used to be Mike Tyson. Tyson went on to lose two of his next three fights to Williams and McBride for fook sake. That's the Tyson Lewis beat - the shot Mike Tyson. I can't believe people think Lewis' victory over him is a credible one.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKeep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The young, dedicated and focused 80s Tyson is a completely different proposition.
It is the DEFINITION of success: being at the right place at the right time and doing the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
When did either dominate the division as long as Tyson did?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodHow do you figure that Evander and Lennox never owned the division? Especially Lennox, that guy cleaned out the division when it was in much better shape than when Tyson was champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIt was Lewis and Holyfield who never owned the division. No one has since Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongKeep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Neither were good enough to be head and shoulders above the rest of the division.
Just because Mayweather is so much better than everyone else does not make it a weak era, just like Tyson was so gifted for a few years he was almost untouchable and had the media ranking him alongside Ali at the time. Neither Holyfield or Lewis have been thought of as highly during their short reigns.
Tyson wouldn't have lost to Moorer, Rahman or McCall. Your judging him on the bersion that was out of boxing for 4 years.
ANTHONY JOSHUA easy question to answer really.
He doesn't excite me. He seems like a more effective clubber that's Frank Bruno-esque, or like a younger and more mobile Oliver McCall. Nothing sexy about him and his fight style, at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
What he can do is WIN. And win he can.
Make no mistake, Wlad when he was younger, was helluva exciting. It was only when Wlad got old and started to be cautious with his chin is when he got boring as hell.
Deontay Wilder is EXCITING. A little provocative too. He sparks interest. Intrigue. Something more we have to see from Wilder- especially from the way he wins. He makes you feel that he can get into a few exciting scraps at HW.
Joshua doesn't give you that. Not at all.
You mean the Tyson that was fighting such dangerous foes as Mike Jameson, David Jaco, Sammy Scaff, Marvis Frazier, and Steve Zouski? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
His personality is also too bland.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHe doesn't excite me. He seems like a more effective clubber that's Frank Bruno-esque, or like a younger and more mobile Oliver McCall. Nothing sexy about him and his fight style, at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
What he can do is WIN. And win he can.
Make no mistake, Wlad when he was younger, was helluva exciting. It was only when Wlad got old and started to be cautious with his chin is when he got boring as hell.
Deontay Wilder is EXCITING. A little provocative too. He sparks interest. Intrigue. Something more we have to see from Wilder- especially from the way he wins. He makes you feel that he can get into a few exciting scraps at HW.
Joshua doesn't give you that. Not at all.
It's BOXING not professional wrestling I don't personally give 1 single fuck about if someone is entertaining in interviews or whatever as long as they are good in the ring!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Anthony Joshua is a little stiff, he'll have to watch his stamina with his style.