Who is the next boxing superstar?

[ross]

Get out of it!

Tyson has his own era!

....because he certainly didn't hold his own with Holyfield or Lewis

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

[El Kabong]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

[ross]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

[El Kabong]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.

[ross]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.

It was Lewis and Holyfield who never owned the division. No one has since Tyson.

[mikeeod]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.

It was Lewis and Holyfield who never owned the division. No one has since Tyson.

How do you figure that Evander and Lennox never owned the division? Especially Lennox, that guy cleaned out the division when it was in much better shape than when Tyson was champ.

[ross]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.

It was Lewis and Holyfield who never owned the division. No one has since Tyson.

How do you figure that Evander and Lennox never owned the division? Especially Lennox, that guy cleaned out the division when it was in much better shape than when Tyson was champ.

When did either dominate the division as long as Tyson did?

Neither were good enough to be head and shoulders above the rest of the division.

Just because Mayweather is so much better than everyone else does not make it a weak era, just like Tyson was so gifted for a few years he was almost untouchable and had the media ranking him alongside Ali at the time. Neither Holyfield or Lewis have been thought of as highly during their short reigns.

Tyson wouldn't have lost to Moorer, Rahman or McCall. Your judging him on the bersion that was out of boxing for 4 years.

[ross]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.

This gets said a lot. As if Tysons era of the late eighties was shit.

Tyson wiped the floor with Holmes. Holmes went on 4 years later to push Holyfield to a competitive 12 rounds.....

Holmes also beat Mercer clearly. The same Mercer who was robbed against Lewis.....

Basically, Tyson's left overs were too good for 90s fighters.

[mikeeod]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.

This gets said a lot. As if Tysons era of the late eighties was shit.

Tyson wiped the floor with Holmes. Holmes went on 4 years later to push Holyfield to a competitive 12 rounds.....

Holmes also beat Mercer clearly. The same Mercer who was robbed against Lewis.....

Basically, Tyson's left overs were too good for 90s fighters.

Tyson's era was shit. There just wasn't the depth with fat guys like Tubbs, Page, Witherspoon, limited guys like Smith, Tucker and Ruddock or has beens like Holmes and Spinks (who was also tiny). Say whatever you want to rationalize your admiration of Tyson, but the guy has only one win over a HOF heavyweight and that was a washed up Holmes. Spinks will be a HOFer, but not for what he did at heavy, just in case someone wanted to try and sharpshoot.
The 90's had Foreman, Evander, Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, the Klitschko brothers, Moorer, Byrd, Ibeabuchi...etc. No competition between the retreads Tyson feasted on and the depth and caliber during the 90's.

[tysonesque]

He didn't fight Holyield until 10 years after he won his first title!

....and Evander Holyfield is still 2 years older than Tyson so your point?

Mike tyson was the heavyweight division from 86 to 90. No one has ever held all the titles together for as long since.

Keep preaching your love of Tyson man, it doesn't change the reality of the situation which is A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success and B ) Lewis and Holyfield beat the fuck out of him...but if you'd rather compare him to OLD Holmes and Frank Bruno be my guest. I thought I was being kind to him by grouping him in with good company, but I guess you're right he wasn't even competitive vs Evander and Lennox so no reason to list him in there.

Holyfield's victory over Tyson is a semi-valid one, but Lewis beat the fat, washed up shell of what used to be Mike Tyson. Tyson went on to lose two of his next three fights to Williams and McBride for fook sake. That's the Tyson Lewis beat - the shot Mike Tyson. I can't believe people think Lewis' victory over him is a credible one.

The young, dedicated and focused 80s Tyson is a completely different proposition.

[El Kabong]

The young, dedicated and focused 80s Tyson is a completely different proposition.

You mean the Tyson that was fighting such dangerous foes as Mike Jameson, David Jaco, Sammy Scaff, Marvis Frazier, and Steve Zouski?

[tysonesque]

The young, dedicated and focused 80s Tyson is a completely different proposition.

You mean the Tyson that was fighting such dangerous foes as Mike Jameson, David Jaco, Sammy Scaff, Marvis Frazier, and Steve Zouski?

Oh dear.

Hell, let's throw Tyson's amateur opponents in there as well shall we? How far back in time are going? What about before he started boxing? He hadn't beaten anyone then!

I was (obviously) thinking of the Tyson who beat everyone he fought, including Holmes, Spinks, Biggs etc etc. But no, let's judge him on the guys he fought as an up and coming novice. That always how fighters are judged.

I mean that Ali guy was good, but who did he beat in his first ten fights? Overrated fraud!

[SugarBoxing]

A) He was in the right place at the right time and STILL couldn't hang on to success a

It is the DEFINITION of success: being at the right place at the right time and doing the right thing.