Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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This shit is getting ridiculous. Floyd will be avoiding the Charlo brothers next. Why would Thurman even be on Floyds radar at this point? Its asinine and the pundits that write this garbage are strokers.
Why would Khan be on Floyds radar? Lost 2 of last 5, struggled agaisnt a guy Thurman flattened and one of them a nobody. Yea sounds like the type of opponent Floyd likes. Thurman is more deserving of a shot then Guerrero or Maidana was. Pathetic that you defend him for targeting weak opposition
Where did I bring up Khan and since when does a W/L record have anything to do with Mayweather? The guy is in it for the money and always has been. Whats pathetic is people think every new 20 year old with a pulse in the welter division deserves a shot at Floyd. If this shit keeps up there will be a challenger at his grave site.
And ftr Khan because of styles is most likely more dangerous then the new flavour of the month.
More horse shit. It's mentalities like this is what causes the game to be fucked up like it is. Sure, some mandatories are bums. But this mandatory, as was Manny, isn't.
Floyd cherry picking. He will make no more or less money fighting Thurman than he would Khan, give or take an extra 5 mil on the Khan side IF they fight in the UK- which will NOT happen.
Quit using horse shit cause you are a carrier. And why are you talking "mandatories" again? What does that have to do with anything? Do you actually believe that mandatory challenges are met as a rule? Do you think they have made diddly squat to how Floyd decides his career? You have the nut sack to cry horseshit? How naive is it to think that somehow Manny becomes a magic mandatory and then somehow Floyd is going to fight him even though they both blew a 100 million dollar fight.
Quit turning this into something I'm not saying before i get pissed off.
Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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This shit is getting ridiculous. Floyd will be avoiding the Charlo brothers next. Why would Thurman even be on Floyds radar at this point? Its asinine and the pundits that write this garbage are strokers.
Why would Khan be on Floyds radar? Lost 2 of last 5, struggled agaisnt a guy Thurman flattened and one of them a nobody. Yea sounds like the type of opponent Floyd likes. Thurman is more deserving of a shot then Guerrero or Maidana was. Pathetic that you defend him for targeting weak opposition
Dude. What you been smoking ?
Maidana beat Adrien Broner to get Floyd. Broner was seen as the next FM.
Guerro had beaten a succession of top quality fighters to get Floyd, Katsidis, Berto, Casamayor.
Thurman should go fight a Tim Bradley, Shawn Porter, Canelo, Demetrius Andrade....
see how he get's on...should he fight one of them guys and
DESTROY them or win convincingly then you could take him seriously in assessing his chances of beating FM.
Guerrero hadn't done anything other than beat Berto and that was after Ortiz beat Berto. Casamayor and Kastidis were wins at lightweight.
Other than Berto, he had only fought one other time at welterweight and that was a tough outing against Aydin.
Ortiz had also only beat Berto. Prior to fighting Berto, he had a draw against Lamont Peterson and had been stopped by Maidana.
Guerrero and Ortiz got the Mayweather fight because they beat Andre Berto.
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Broner had a SD win over Paullie Mallignaggi before Broner. Thats the first clue of how good Broner is at Welter. My argument is Floyd avoids the most dangerous fighters. The counter argument seems to be the dangerous opponent brings nothing to the table money wise. If that was the case why did he avoid Pac which would have been the biggest payday in history? Floyd just doesnt fight live fighters. He is the best fighter on the planet but the mans a pussy. Any man who beats on women is a pussy. If he was interested in being TBE hed fight these guys but he doesnt give a shit. ALl he cares about is money and he knows he can only get paid what he does with an unbeaten record, so he wont risk it against any dangerous looking fighter.
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What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Jesus lam i never took you for a nuthugger. Who deserves a shot then? Going from your description noone deserves a shot and whoever Floyd choses is the right choice. For the rest of us who enjoy the credibility of boxing we want to see the best fight the best and actually challenge themselves instead of watching one dimensional limited fights chase floyd around the ring like a kid trying to swat a fly. And did you not watch the Guerrero fight? Guerrero took as much shots as Berto did and was alot more damaged at the end of the fight. That fight clearly showed Guerrero was not at the level of Floyd
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IamInuit
This shit is getting ridiculous. Floyd will be avoiding the Charlo brothers next. Why would Thurman even be on Floyds radar at this point? Its asinine and the pundits that write this garbage are strokers.
Why would Khan be on Floyds radar? Lost 2 of last 5, struggled agaisnt a guy Thurman flattened and one of them a nobody. Yea sounds like the type of opponent Floyd likes. Thurman is more deserving of a shot then Guerrero or Maidana was. Pathetic that you defend him for targeting weak opposition
Dude. What you been smoking ?
Maidana beat Adrien Broner to get Floyd. Broner was seen as the next FM.
Guerro had beaten a succession of top quality fighters to get Floyd, Katsidis, Berto, Casamayor.
Thurman should go fight a Tim Bradley, Shawn Porter, Canelo, Demetrius Andrade....
see how he get's on...should he fight one of them guys and
DESTROY them or win convincingly then you could take him seriously in assessing his chances of beting FM.
Absolute horse shit with the sentence highlighted in red. Maidana whooped Broner's ass because it was presented to him, and Broner was feeling he was more than what he was at WW.
It was only WHEN Broner went crying, did Mayweather's ego kick in and decided he would prove he would always be better than Broner when he is off the scene. Regardless of what Broner felt about himself.
Mayweather's ego caused the Maidana fight. And proved Broner's worth as Mayweather did struggle for the first fight, and fought an unmotivated Maidana in the second fight.
Maidana was not even thinking about fighting floyd when he mashed broner. When da fuc did broner become the mayweather gate keeper. Broner was shit before maidana and shit after. This logic is the shit gayweather fans came up with to keep him from looking like the lil bitch he has been for the last few years
Re: Floyd avoiding Thurman now!
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What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Just so we're clear, Floyd isn't ducking Thurman. That's ridiculous.
I was only suggesting that Guerrero and Ortiz hadn't done much to "earn" a fight with Floyd either. While I agree that Thurman needs a high profile fight or two before Floyd, he's not a horrible fight on paper either considering Guerrero and Ortiz and considering there isn't a ton out there for Floyd at 147.
Like I said in another thread, Andrade is a decent match-up at 154 if he gets by Charlo. Who else?
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People who are Floyd haters will look for any excuse to put him down. Facts are...he is BY FAR the most successful fighter in the business...he has put himself in that position through hard work and business acumen. There are no other fighters now, and VERY FEW historically, who are in his position: undefeated, richest athlete in sports, and very close to the end of their career. So his criteria for matchmaking at this stage is completely, and rightfully, different than any other fighter. He is not going to fight all the "up and comers." He is not going to fight guys at 160, etc, etc. You can hate on him all you want...but any other boxer in his position (again...there are none) would do the same.
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People who are Floyd haters will look for any excuse to put him down. Facts are...he is BY FAR the most successful fighter in the business...he has put himself in that position through hard work and business acumen. There are no other fighters now, and VERY FEW historically, who are in his position: undefeated, richest athlete in sports, and very close to the end of their career. So his criteria for matchmaking at this stage is completely, and rightfully, different than any other fighter. He is not going to fight all the "up and comers." He is not going to fight guys at 160, etc, etc. You can hate on him all you want...but any other boxer in his position (again...there are none) would do the same.
Some boxing fans are just neanderthals. They don't have the intellectual capacity to understand genius.
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What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Just so we're clear, Floyd isn't ducking Thurman. That's ridiculous.
I was only suggesting that Guerrero and Ortiz hadn't done much to "earn" a fight with Floyd either. While I agree that Thurman needs a high profile fight or two before Floyd, he's not a horrible fight on paper either considering Guerrero and Ortiz and considering there isn't a ton out there for Floyd at 147.
Like I said in another thread, Andrade is a decent match-up at 154 if he gets by Charlo. Who else?
I have no idea who. Floyds in a difficult spot and I personally think he's starting to fall apart. What I see is a % of the boxing public that just wants to see him lose no matter the costs. Some will attempt to justify just about anything as long as those chances of him losing increase.
Robinson pulled Aaron Wade out of a two year retirement and fought him along with avoiding Burley and the rest of the Murderers Row and people don't even bring that up when discussing him. It just seems to me that the bar isn't just raised for Floyd but its unreachable and much of that stems to the fact that he's a dick. I would not have wanted his childhood.
Ok back to who? The first question ought to be, does he really need anyone for legacy and the answer to that question is NO and neither does Manny or Hopkins etc etc. History will not be kind to either man because of the missed fight but the two are fine with their pugilist endeavors w/o it. I wanted Tito and Ike to fight just as bad as some wanted the phantom fight. It never happened.
I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day. I don't think he wants to fight Khan. I simply believe its an interesting matchup. One historically does well with swarmers and picks them apart but has never really fought a boxer as fast or faster then he is and the other has been bullied by swarmers and has rarely been able to show his skill set because he gets taken to the trenches. Floyd wont take him there. Its also a huge money fight and thats what Floyd craves. He's already crying about Oscar taking the Cinco de Mayo back.
He might prove everyone wrong and call it a day. I know what you are getting at and even his dad is calling for "a couple of easy ones" and that wont wash and who would his 50th be with? I dont know but I do know one thing. He's not ducking Thurman.
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IamInuit
What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Jesus lam i never took you for a nuthugger. Who deserves a shot then? Going from your description noone deserves a shot and whoever Floyd choses is the right choice. For the rest of us who enjoy the credibility of boxing we want to see the best fight the best and actually challenge themselves instead of watching one dimensional limited fights chase floyd around the ring like a kid trying to swat a fly. And did you not watch the Guerrero fight? Guerrero took as much shots as Berto did and was alot more damaged at the end of the fight. That fight clearly showed Guerrero was not at the level of Floyd
By Iam's logic, let's let Floyd retire now with a 50 and 0 record, and let's just chalk up victories against Pac, Thurman and Khan just because we knew he would win.
FOOH!!
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IamInuit
What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.
Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.
Seriously get a grip!
Just so we're clear, Floyd isn't ducking Thurman. That's ridiculous.
I was only suggesting that Guerrero and Ortiz hadn't done much to "earn" a fight with Floyd either. While I agree that Thurman needs a high profile fight or two before Floyd, he's not a horrible fight on paper either considering Guerrero and Ortiz and considering there isn't a ton out there for Floyd at 147.
Like I said in another thread, Andrade is a decent match-up at 154 if he gets by Charlo. Who else?
I have no idea who. Floyds in a difficult spot and I personally think he's starting to fall apart. What I see is a % of the boxing public that just wants to see him lose no matter the costs. Some will attempt to justify just about anything as long as those chances of him losing increase.
Robinson pulled Aaron Wade out of a two year retirement and fought him along with avoiding Burley and the rest of the Murderers Row and people don't even bring that up when discussing him. It just seems to me that the bar isn't just raised for Floyd but its unreachable and much of that stems to the fact that he's a dick. I would not have wanted his childhood.
Ok back to who? The first question ought to be, does he really need anyone for legacy and the answer to that question is NO and neither does Manny or Hopkins etc etc. History will not be kind to either man because of the missed fight but the two are fine with their pugilist endeavors w/o it. I wanted Tito and Ike to fight just as bad as some wanted the phantom fight. It never happened.
I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day. I don't think he wants to fight Khan. I simply believe its an interesting matchup. One historically does well with swarmers and picks them apart but has never really fought a boxer as fast or faster then he is and the other has been bullied by swarmers and has rarely been able to show his skill set because he gets taken to the trenches. Floyd wont take him there. Its also a huge money fight and thats what Floyd craves. He's already crying about Oscar taking the Cinco de Mayo back.
He might prove everyone wrong and call it a day. I know what you are getting at and even his dad is calling for "a couple of easy ones" and that wont wash and who would his 50th be with? I dont know but I do know one thing. He's not ducking Thurman.
There's a reason people don't bring up Robinson's alleged ducking of Burley (by the way, there are those that would argue he didn't duck him)--Robinson fought 50 years ago and many of the people who followed his career closely have passed away. Not to mention two wrongs don't make a right.
I think you're on to something though. We've see Floyd in with enough slower, aggressive, offensive fighters. When was the last time Floyd fought a defensive boxer? Or at least a boxer/puncher as fast as he is?
That's part of the reason Thurman makes sense to me because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Mayweather opponent. His problem is that he's too green. I agree with you there. I would say hold off on him.
Khan's chin is such a glaring flaw that I have to think that Floyd will expose it, like Prescott and Garcia did years ago. It's just too much of a liability.
Andrade to me might be the best opponent out there. He's a boxer/puncher, who is fast, and has good legs. I don't think he beats Mayweather, but at least it's a different styles clash. Do you disagree?
Lara needs another win against a quality opponent and he should be back in the sweepstakes.
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There's a reason people don't bring up Robinson's alleged ducking of Burley (by the way, there are those that would argue he didn't duck him)--Robinson fought 50 years ago and many of the people who followed his career closely have passed away. Not to mention two wrongs don't make a right.
Well I brought it up and I've examined boxing history most of my adult life and admire Ray Robinson. I'm one who believes he avoided Burley among others because he was a product of his environment just as much as Floyd is of his. I dont care how many years ago it was and that was hardly the point.
What two wrongs? Avoidance whether real or perceived is a matter of fact in this sport and more so today with a gazillion belts then anytime in history and yet throughout Floyds career the only person he can even be considered to have ducked is Margarito. Every Tom, Dick and Harry with an undefeated record can call him out. Him not fighting Thurman does not mean he ducked him.
I think you're on to something though. We've see Floyd in with enough slower, aggressive, offensive fighters. When was the last time Floyd fought a defensive boxer? Or at least a boxer/puncher as fast as he is?
Never unless you include Judah and Corley. Khans faster then they were and has a requirement to beating Floyd which is a world class jab. Oscar showed that in the first half of their fight.
That's part of the reason Thurman makes sense to me because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Mayweather opponent. His problem is that he's too green. I agree with you there. I would say hold off on him.
Really? He reminds me of a more limited Jake Lamotta who in truth did manage to out jab Ray once but he's slow and a counter bag if you ask me. Just not all that impressed tbh. But you know if Floyd waits around long enough, he will get beat by someone who could not carry his jock 2 years ago.
Khan's chin is such a glaring flaw that I have to think that Floyd will expose it, like Prescott and Garcia did years ago. It's just too much of a liability.
I think we fans play that a little to much. Sure its dodgy but his placement when he gets caught is half the problem and that stems back again to his inability to fight in the gutter and clumsy feet when forced to do so. He took some bombs from Maidana. I dont think he has to worry about that with Floyd and it could resemble Hearns/Leonard in many ways.
Andrade to me might be the best opponent out there. He's a boxer/puncher, who is fast, and has good legs. I don't think he beats Mayweather, but at least it's a different styles clash. Do you disagree?
No I agree but I dont think he gets a fight either. Floyds ego is to big and if he loses now it will have to either be to a household name or he moves up and fights a real middle champ or I suppose the winner of Cotto/Alvarez. That is a card in his pocket perhaps.
Lara needs another win against a quality opponent and he should be back in the sweepstakes.
Cant agree with this one. It would be like watching Locche and Pep fight;D Dont see it happening while PPV still rules the day.
Selfishly, I'm kinda hoping he takes a forgotten soldier that has fought his way back like Jo Jo Dan and we get a real Cinderella man story out of it.
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I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
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I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire
... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.
