Floyd avoiding Thurman now!

[IamInuit]

What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.

Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.

Seriously get a grip!

Just so we're clear, Floyd isn't ducking Thurman. That's ridiculous.

I was only suggesting that Guerrero and Ortiz hadn't done much to "earn" a fight with Floyd either. While I agree that Thurman needs a high profile fight or two before Floyd, he's not a horrible fight on paper either considering Guerrero and Ortiz and considering there isn't a ton out there for Floyd at 147.

Like I said in another thread, Andrade is a decent match-up at 154 if he gets by Charlo. Who else?

I have no idea who. Floyds in a difficult spot and I personally think he's starting to fall apart. What I see is a % of the boxing public that just wants to see him lose no matter the costs. Some will attempt to justify just about anything as long as those chances of him losing increase.

Robinson pulled Aaron Wade out of a two year retirement and fought him along with avoiding Burley and the rest of the Murderers Row and people don't even bring that up when discussing him. It just seems to me that the bar isn't just raised for Floyd but its unreachable and much of that stems to the fact that he's a dick. I would not have wanted his childhood.

Ok back to who? The first question ought to be, does he really need anyone for legacy and the answer to that question is NO and neither does Manny or Hopkins etc etc. History will not be kind to either man because of the missed fight but the two are fine with their pugilist endeavors w/o it. I wanted Tito and Ike to fight just as bad as some wanted the phantom fight. It never happened.

I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day. I don't think he wants to fight Khan. I simply believe its an interesting matchup. One historically does well with swarmers and picks them apart but has never really fought a boxer as fast or faster then he is and the other has been bullied by swarmers and has rarely been able to show his skill set because he gets taken to the trenches. Floyd wont take him there. Its also a huge money fight and thats what Floyd craves. He's already crying about Oscar taking the Cinco de Mayo back.

He might prove everyone wrong and call it a day. I know what you are getting at and even his dad is calling for "a couple of easy ones" and that wont wash and who would his 50th be with? I dont know but I do know one thing. He's not ducking Thurman.

[Rantcatrat]

What does fighting Gurerro have to do with the flavour of the month in Thurman and this ridiculous notion that Floyd is ducking him? Robert beat the snot out of Berto and then followed it up with a waxing of Aydin and that's after jumping straight from 135. What has Thurman done save managing a win over Diego Chaves? and a couple of journeymen in Diaz and Karass. Have him beat Porter or challenge Brook.

Floyds a fight or two from ending his career.

Seriously get a grip!

Just so we're clear, Floyd isn't ducking Thurman. That's ridiculous.

I was only suggesting that Guerrero and Ortiz hadn't done much to "earn" a fight with Floyd either. While I agree that Thurman needs a high profile fight or two before Floyd, he's not a horrible fight on paper either considering Guerrero and Ortiz and considering there isn't a ton out there for Floyd at 147.

Like I said in another thread, Andrade is a decent match-up at 154 if he gets by Charlo. Who else?

I have no idea who. Floyds in a difficult spot and I personally think he's starting to fall apart. What I see is a % of the boxing public that just wants to see him lose no matter the costs. Some will attempt to justify just about anything as long as those chances of him losing increase.

Robinson pulled Aaron Wade out of a two year retirement and fought him along with avoiding Burley and the rest of the Murderers Row and people don't even bring that up when discussing him. It just seems to me that the bar isn't just raised for Floyd but its unreachable and much of that stems to the fact that he's a dick. I would not have wanted his childhood.

Ok back to who? The first question ought to be, does he really need anyone for legacy and the answer to that question is NO and neither does Manny or Hopkins etc etc. History will not be kind to either man because of the missed fight but the two are fine with their pugilist endeavors w/o it. I wanted Tito and Ike to fight just as bad as some wanted the phantom fight. It never happened.

I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day. I don't think he wants to fight Khan. I simply believe its an interesting matchup. One historically does well with swarmers and picks them apart but has never really fought a boxer as fast or faster then he is and the other has been bullied by swarmers and has rarely been able to show his skill set because he gets taken to the trenches. Floyd wont take him there. Its also a huge money fight and thats what Floyd craves. He's already crying about Oscar taking the Cinco de Mayo back.

He might prove everyone wrong and call it a day. I know what you are getting at and even his dad is calling for "a couple of easy ones" and that wont wash and who would his 50th be with? I dont know but I do know one thing. He's not ducking Thurman.

There's a reason people don't bring up Robinson's alleged ducking of Burley (by the way, there are those that would argue he didn't duck him)--Robinson fought 50 years ago and many of the people who followed his career closely have passed away. Not to mention two wrongs don't make a right.

I think you're on to something though. We've see Floyd in with enough slower, aggressive, offensive fighters. When was the last time Floyd fought a defensive boxer? Or at least a boxer/puncher as fast as he is?

That's part of the reason Thurman makes sense to me because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Mayweather opponent. His problem is that he's too green. I agree with you there. I would say hold off on him.

Khan's chin is such a glaring flaw that I have to think that Floyd will expose it, like Prescott and Garcia did years ago. It's just too much of a liability.

Andrade to me might be the best opponent out there. He's a boxer/puncher, who is fast, and has good legs. I don't think he beats Mayweather, but at least it's a different styles clash. Do you disagree?

Lara needs another win against a quality opponent and he should be back in the sweepstakes.

[IamInuit]

There's a reason people don't bring up Robinson's alleged ducking of Burley (by the way, there are those that would argue he didn't duck him)--Robinson fought 50 years ago and many of the people who followed his career closely have passed away. Not to mention two wrongs don't make a right.

Well I brought it up and I've examined boxing history most of my adult life and admire Ray Robinson. I'm one who believes he avoided Burley among others because he was a product of his environment just as much as Floyd is of his. I dont care how many years ago it was and that was hardly the point.
What two wrongs? Avoidance whether real or perceived is a matter of fact in this sport and more so today with a gazillion belts then anytime in history and yet throughout Floyds career the only person he can even be considered to have ducked is Margarito. Every Tom, Dick and Harry with an undefeated record can call him out. Him not fighting Thurman does not mean he ducked him.

I think you're on to something though. We've see Floyd in with enough slower, aggressive, offensive fighters. When was the last time Floyd fought a defensive boxer? Or at least a boxer/puncher as fast as he is?

Never unless you include Judah and Corley. Khans faster then they were and has a requirement to beating Floyd which is a world class jab. Oscar showed that in the first half of their fight.


That's part of the reason Thurman makes sense to me because he doesn't fit the stereotypical Mayweather opponent. His problem is that he's too green. I agree with you there. I would say hold off on him.

Really? He reminds me of a more limited Jake Lamotta who in truth did manage to out jab Ray once but he's slow and a counter bag if you ask me. Just not all that impressed tbh. But you know if Floyd waits around long enough, he will get beat by someone who could not carry his jock 2 years ago.

Khan's chin is such a glaring flaw that I have to think that Floyd will expose it, like Prescott and Garcia did years ago. It's just too much of a liability.

I think we fans play that a little to much. Sure its dodgy but his placement when he gets caught is half the problem and that stems back again to his inability to fight in the gutter and clumsy feet when forced to do so. He took some bombs from Maidana. I dont think he has to worry about that with Floyd and it could resemble Hearns/Leonard in many ways.

Andrade to me might be the best opponent out there. He's a boxer/puncher, who is fast, and has good legs. I don't think he beats Mayweather, but at least it's a different styles clash. Do you disagree?

No I agree but I dont think he gets a fight either. Floyds ego is to big and if he loses now it will have to either be to a household name or he moves up and fights a real middle champ or I suppose the winner of Cotto/Alvarez. That is a card in his pocket perhaps.

Lara needs another win against a quality opponent and he should be back in the sweepstakes.


Cant agree with this one. It would be like watching Locche and Pep fight Dont see it happening while PPV still rules the day.

Selfishly, I'm kinda hoping he takes a forgotten soldier that has fought his way back like Jo Jo Dan and we get a real Cinderella man story out of it.

[chris6878]

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I think Floyds wants the 50 but his body and mind are in disagreement. Lets remember that he is not obligated anymore then any other past great to fight life and death with every challenge or fight the biggest perceived threat of the day.
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THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

[ykdadamaja]

[QUOTE=chris6878;1274924][QUOTE=IamInuit;1274880][QUOTE=Rantcatrat;1274854]

THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.

[Violent Demise]

People say they don't wanna see Floyd rematch Alvarez. Yet they are pushing for a Thurman fight. Why? Cuz he beat Julio Diaz and Soto Karass? Thurman would have less success than Alvarez did

[walrus]

People say they don't wanna see Floyd rematch Alvarez. Yet they are pushing for a Thurman fight. Why? Cuz he beat Julio Diaz and Soto Karass? Thurman would have less success than Alvarez did

Is there talk of Floyd rematching Alvarez. I didn't hear that. In my mind I think it would be a tougher fight for Floyd now but in reality he would probably still have Alvarez swinging at air

[mikeeod]

People say they don't wanna see Floyd rematch Alvarez. Yet they are pushing for a Thurman fight. Why? Cuz he beat Julio Diaz and Soto Karass? Thurman would have less success than Alvarez did

I agree with your point about Thurman not being ready and not beating anyone of note. I hate to be "that guy", but I don't know that u could have less success than Canelo. Even though CJ Ross had it close, it was a poor performance and I didn't see anything of note from Alvarez. You are right about Thurman likely being dominated in similar fashion.

On a side note, fights like the Alvarez, Guerrero...etc., fights are why I have an issue ranking Floyd over Duran. An in shape Duran would've destroyed Canelo. Chewed him up n spit him out. The reason I can see Floyd ranked higher is that guy comes to every fight in phenomenal shape and motivated, where Duran didn't and lost to some pretty sub par fighters.

[ruthless rocco]

[QUOTE=ykdadamaja;1274931][QUOTE=chris6878;1274924][QUOTE=IamInuit;1274880]

THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.

Floyd should do like those all time greats from 50 years ago and fight bums with 12-5-4 and 29-19-8 records.

[IamInuit]

[QUOTE=ykdadamaja;1274931][QUOTE=chris6878;1274924][QUOTE=IamInuit;1274880]

THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.

Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.

In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.

[ykdadamaja]

[QUOTE=IamInuit;1274952][QUOTE=ykdadamaja;1274931][QUOTE=chris6878;1274924]

THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.

Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.

In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.

You sound as bitchy as Floyd. lolol...

[zhubin]

[QUOTE=ykdadamaja;1275051][QUOTE=IamInuit;1274952][QUOTE=ykdadamaja;1274931]

THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.

Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.

In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.

You sound as bitchy as Floyd. lolol...

You are a one trick pony. Stop fronting like you have any sense of boxing history you juvenile cunt.

[ykdadamaja]

[QUOTE=zhubin;1275139][QUOTE=ykdadamaja;1275051][QUOTE=IamInuit;1274952]

THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

... and this is fresh history. Not shady 50 years ago history. I mean, EVERYTHING is recorded.

Like I said, Get a grip. Now I'm certain. You have been following this sport for about 4 years and believe that somehow nothing before matters in terms of legacy and prize fighting or how much they overlap. And in the minds of people like you, one is either a nuthugger or a hater.

In short you are a fucking pin head. I wont even bother to respond to tadpoles like you anymore who's sense of boxing history was last week and instead seek out real fucking dialogue and debate.

You sound as bitchy as Floyd. lolol...

You are a one trick pony. Stop fronting like you have any sense of boxing history you juvenile cunt.

EAD Flomo....

[IamInuit]

[QUOTE=chris6878;1274924][QUOTE=IamInuit;1274880][QUOTE=Rantcatrat;1274854]

THen he should just fucking retire. He is making his legacy worse by picking these same fighters to run from over and over. FIght someone dangerous....or retire

Apply that pretzel logic to everyone else in history.