How is Chavez Jr the number 2 168 fighter in the world after only having 1 fight at the weight against a low ranked middleweight who had never fought at super middle before? Seems perfectly fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
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How is Chavez Jr the number 2 168 fighter in the world after only having 1 fight at the weight against a low ranked middleweight who had never fought at super middle before? Seems perfectly fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Im not sure there is much between Rudenko and Hammer to be honest. Even a shit old Toney would have a good chance of beating Hammer if in a neutral venue.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOk, I never noticed Tarver has gone to 7! That is daft. Top 30 maybe top 20. They must have used points from his light heavy career. Theres no way he should be higher than Cunningham thats for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOkay... so beating Banks, who was coming off a loss, justifies being rated the 7th best fighter in the world? If the win is that impressive then why is Seth Mitchell, the man that beat Banks before Tarver, not currently rated in the top 100 by Boxrec? Chris Arreola, the man that knocked Seth Mitchell out in 1 round, is currently ranked 19th.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossJonothan banks is better than anyone Wilder, Browne and Price have faced. Its also how he beat him. Pretty easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Jonathan Banks DREW with Jason Gavern.
Lucas Browne knocked Gavern out in round 3 and Wilder knocked Gavern out in round 4. Michael Sprott beat Gavern. Anthony Joshua destroyed Sprott in one round.
So why is Banks better than them? And how does Tarver's win make him a top ten heavyweight?
Maybe I stand corrected but it would also be a fact if Browne were to face Hammer that would be his best opponent by a mile and Hammer would stand every chance of winning.
Its an easy fight for Fury but its a lot better then I was expecting. He has earned his mandatory position. Why take a bigger risk then necessary to lose it?
Wow, 10 fights against guys with shockingly poor records and he's been knocked out in all but one of his 6 fights (losses) since. Fury must have RUINED him :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I take it back, Fury is proven against high calibre tall heavies, bring on Wlad :vd:
(McDonalds have plenty of straws that you can clutch at)
...and his one loss was against a 6 foot nothing cruiserweight :vd:
The word 'moot' comes to mind.
Nascieamento was 6.5" and undefeated and unknown, 10 kos from 13 wins.
Firtha was 6.5" and coming off taking the great Povetkin the distance.
Creme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Thats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
Wlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
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Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
Are you taking the piss!!?
Are you really a boxing odds compiler?
;D;D;D;D
Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!
@ross...
A "boxing odds compiler"!
You've got to be fucking shitting me right!
LOL
A sick joke! No doubt!
Well, im pretty sure it was Silkyjoe who said he was. For PaddyPower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The point is that Fury isn't keeping busy with any experienced tall fighters... Not whether or not he fought a few lanky, padded novices early in his career. :vd:
We're talking about whether he has proven he could hang with WLAD, not Audley bloody Harrison...
Whats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
Are you taking the piss!!?
Are you really a boxing odds compiler?
;D;D;D;D
Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!
And if any of you fancy pricing up fights and laying me bets Ill gladly punt with you. Id be 1/25 that Id make money of anyone here over the course of the year if they are to price odds before the bookies go up :D
I just want to say I agree with you about South American and Mexican level boxers records not being equivalent but European level is the highest level prior to international, you have to admit that. Not trying to be anti-American for the fun of it, but everybody knows this is true, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe