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Poor old Amir. He was the young superstar with a golden future and the world at his feet once.
Now he is pretty much irrelevant. Private life in a mess and splashed across the media ( which he has contributed to). Nowhere near a real world class fight, and his purses are declining hugely.
Fatally chinned/sloppy as a fighter now. His future doesn't look great.
We missed the Brook fight when it was relevant, it should still be fun tho. Lets hope we don't have to wait until 2020 for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
At Khan's current rate of productivity, he'll be pushing 58 by the time he gets back into the 147 mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Phil is a poor opponent but if we are calling him a journey man then we should call Khan one aswel. After all he has more losses on his resume than Phil has. Phils losses came to guys like Spence, Porter & Elegele and Khans has losses to guys like Peterson, Garcia, Alvarez and Prescott. There’s not much in it in terms of their losses and the level of opponent. However in the W column Khan has a lot more names of note than Phil does. Those wins of Khans were many years ago now so Greco is actually a representation of where Khan is truly at in his career these days.
Virgil Hunter reckons it’s a tough fight which tells you what he really thinks of Khan. Khan most likely thinks if he avoids punchers from now on he can get to the Brook fight unscathed but Peterson wasn’t a puncher and he beat Khan with pressure and thats how Greco fights. Algerie wasn’t puncher but he pressured Khan for 12 rounds aswel and that was back when Khan was an active fighter. It may just be that this is Khans level now rather than a huge step down which is how it was seen when the fight was announced. I don’t think we will ever see him in world class opposition again such as Spence, Porter etc. The best he will fight is Brook whos coming off back to back KO defeats and been years since he beat the only world class fighter on his resume.
I pressed like for this post, and agree with almost everything about it. But if you're gonna name Porter as World class opposition, then Brook has to be. Yes , it was a long time ago that Brook beat him, but since then , arguably the only "W" against world class opposition on Porter's record is Broner. Now I believe that Broner was a top,top LW, a World class LWW, but at WW, he is too small and was always gonna get bullied against Porter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Porter has been very competitive in other losing fights against top guys and all credit to him. But so has Brook.
Admittedly Brook has it all to prove at a new weight, but I'm just saying that he deserves at least to be in the same breath as Porter, surely.
Poor Khan similarly pouring water on his career hoping it blooms again. Better get some Miracle grow. Just think if you're at all serious at least line up a top 15 opponent. Brook comes off fighting the best middle weight and the best welterweight today with back to back major surgeries..goes up in weight and fights a top five right off. Khan is just whistling past the graveyard.
Top 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Brook is fighting a far tougher opponent than queen Khan is.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTop 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBrook is fighting a far tougher opponent than queen Khan is.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTop 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yes I see your point, Brook does hold a win over Porter so should be seen atleast on that level. When you consider that was a few years ago and since then Brooks been stopped twice and now campaigns at 154 I excluded him from the list of elite at 147. Porter made the list because he's beaten guys like Alexander, Berto, broner, malignaggi, Diaz and the fights with Thurman and Brook could've gone either way. Brooks only real top name is Porter which as I say was a close fight and he hasn't beaten anyone of note since. He is a good fighter Brook I just think his resume isn't as good as it could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI pressed like for this post, and agree with almost everything about it. But if you're gonna name Porter as World class opposition, then Brook has to be. Yes , it was a long time ago that Brook beat him, but since then , arguably the only "W" against world class opposition on Porter's record is Broner. Now I believe that Broner was a top,top LW, a World class LWW, but at WW, he is too small and was always gonna get bullied against Porter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Porter has been very competitive in other losing fights against top guys and all credit to him. But so has Brook.
Admittedly Brook has it all to prove at a new weight, but I'm just saying that he deserves at least to be in the same breath as Porter, surely.
For what what it's worth I've always given Brook the edge over Khan if they were to meet. No shame losing to Spence and Golovkin although it's not often in big fights where the home fighter gets stopped by the away fighter in back to back fights. I'd like to see what he has left vs Rabchenko. Likewise Khan needs to reaffirm he's not washed up in his next fight as wel
True enough, half the time they might as be throwing random name tags in the air. But point is at the very least Brook is pre setting himself by facing and claiming a relevant top position/rank in a talented 154 division. And Khans over here playing checkers expecting to win another lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTop 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Totally agree, Khan has been out a lot longer tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTrue enough, half the time they might as be throwing random name tags in the air. But point is at the very least Brook is pre setting himself by facing and claiming a relevant top position/rank in a talented 154 division. And Khans over here playing checkers expecting to win another lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTop 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yeh but I don't have a lot of sympathy for a guy who fights harder on twitter than in a ring and wastes time playing house on reality tv ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTotally agree, Khan has been out a lot longer tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTrue enough, half the time they might as be throwing random name tags in the air. But point is at the very least Brook is pre setting himself by facing and claiming a relevant top position/rank in a talented 154 division. And Khans over here playing checkers expecting to win another lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTop 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Just hopes he's serious and starts aiming at 147 names. Not sure Brook fight would happen unless he's now willing to follow him up?
He'll start aiming at the biggest payday he can get, you can take that to the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliYeh but I don't have a lot of sympathy for a guy who fights harder on twitter than in a ring and wastes time playing house on reality tv ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTotally agree, Khan has been out a lot longer tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTrue enough, half the time they might as be throwing random name tags in the air. But point is at the very least Brook is pre setting himself by facing and claiming a relevant top position/rank in a talented 154 division. And Khans over here playing checkers expecting to win another lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTop 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Just hopes he's serious and starts aiming at 147 names. Not sure Brook fight would happen unless he's now willing to follow him up?
The biggest payday he can get may well be a press/media payment for talking dirty about his missus or doing bake off or the Sun on sunday, all bollox.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaHe'll start aiming at the biggest payday he can get, you can take that to the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliYeh but I don't have a lot of sympathy for a guy who fights harder on twitter than in a ring and wastes time playing house on reality tv ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTotally agree, Khan has been out a lot longer tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTrue enough, half the time they might as be throwing random name tags in the air. But point is at the very least Brook is pre setting himself by facing and claiming a relevant top position/rank in a talented 154 division. And Khans over here playing checkers expecting to win another lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaTop 5? The sanctioning bodies will never cease to amaze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Just hopes he's serious and starts aiming at 147 names. Not sure Brook fight would happen unless he's now willing to follow him up?