Who is lying?

Wilder IS a hype job, the 21Century's Michael Grant.

Grant was good until he met REAL boxers.

Fury can BOX. Make fun of him all you want for his lack of punching power. But he can box and there is no doubt that he can box his way to a victory over the ridiculous Antics and windmill swinging of Wilder

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Wilder IS a hype job, the 21Century's Michael Grant.

Grant was good until he met REAL boxers.

Fury can BOX. Make fun of him all you want for his lack of punching power. But he can box and there is no doubt that he can box his way to a victory over the ridiculous Antics and windmill swinging of Wilder

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I've actually started to feel bad for Grant over Wilders rise ;D. He was at least fundamentally sound and knew his height and put strong punches together. Dude had a respectable run to earn Lewis and rebooted for longer than a 'bust' should have afterwards. Wilder was an Olympic medalist and Grant played hoops with next to no amatuer career.

Yep totally agree. Michael Grant takes a lot of flack, but I think Grant would smoke Deontay Wilder in 2 rounds.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Joshua has become mechanical in his last few fights and lacks stamina. If Wlad at 55 can have him on the retreat for several rounds Wilder will have him on the floor again and again. He has the legs, the power, the combos. It will be messy. Who wanted that fight and who is fighting Fury first? Wlad was always chinny and that was the difference once he had gassed again. He always gets chinny when exhausted. Just too old and Toney schooled him in sparring too when he was meant to be good. Vitali was the real deal, Wlad less so.

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Wlad had him on the retreat because he hurt him. It happens. I could flip your argument and say that if Ortiz, at 55, and on blood pressure medication, can have Wilder on queer street, what would Joshua do to him. It's an irrelevant argument because fight outcomes change dramatically within a split second. You could also add in the caveat that Joshua fought Wlad in a voluntary defence, whereas Wilder hasn't ever shown any desire to pursue a Wlad fight at any point in his career.

As for the "who wanted that fight" argument regarding Joshua/Wilder, the notion that Wilder wants the fight right now is hilarious. For a start, the $50m offer was reliant on BT Sport having the UK rights to the broadcast, which obviously can't happen because of Joshua's SKY contract. Finkel knew this. Ignoring that, Wilder and Finkel publicly accepted terms for the Joshua fight but then backed out because they were so worried that the contract didn't have a date or venue. Strange how the Fury fight also has neither a date or a venue, yet that is suddenly now not an issue. Also strange how Finkel demanded that Hearn publicly agree to the fight before meeting or seeing a contract, yet had no issue sending a contract to Fury prior to him giving his agreement.

What Finkel wanted to happen was for Hearn to publicly accept the offer and then back out of the fight once he'd seen a contract - which he would have had to do given Sky have the exclusive UK rights to Joshua. Regardless, there is still an offer on the table for them to consider, so if they were even halfway interested, you would think they would respond to the offer. I'm sure they will in due time....:rolleyes:

As for the Fury thing. Don't make me laugh by trying to paint Fury as a threat off the back of a 3 year lay-off from fighting legitimate competition. Of course Wilder wants to fight him now. He wants an easy, profile building payday which would then allow him to claim lineage of the Heavyweight world title. It's brilliant business sense, but don't try and paint it as heroic bravery.