Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.
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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.
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Originally Posted by Master
Yes... "Bivol... ducked...the... rematch... with... Canelo... at... 175." :rolleyes:
Reason why I say my piece and avoid long, drawn out, pointless arguments. :cool:
you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
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Originally Posted by MasterYou cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
Bivol's not the one with something to prove. He whupped Canelo at 175, and now wants to show he can do it at 168. That's not ducking.
dmitry is said have had a two million guarantee & made about five million with his share of the ppv for the first fight. if canelo was offering the same terms it would still be at the very least dmitry's second highest purse in his career. dmitry could record another win over a current pound for pound fighter, a current undisputed champion & a future hall of famer. dmitry was offered the fight & turned it down. you yourself said it would be ridiculous for dmitry to fight canelo at super middle. canelo would get no credit if he defeated dmitry at one sixty eight, as all the talk of weight draining would be used as an excuseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
canelo wanted the chance to prove he can beat dmitry at one seventy five. canelo gets no credit if the rematch takes place at super middle. dmitry was supposedly offered the same terms as the first fight, which is said to be a career high payday for dmitry & where he won the first fight. dmitry turned down the offerQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
Bivol's not the one with something to prove. He whupped Canelo at 175, and now wants to show he can do it at 168. That's not ducking.
As you said no one knows what was in the original contract yet you have concluded that Bivol has ducked Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdmitry is said have had a two million guarantee & made about five million with his share of the ppv for the first fight. if canelo was offering the same terms it would still be at the very least dmitry's second highest purse in his career. dmitry could record another win over a current pound for pound fighter, a current undisputed champion & a future hall of famer. dmitry was offered the fight & turned it down. you yourself said it would be ridiculous for dmitry to fight canelo at super middle. canelo would get no credit if he defeated dmitry at one sixty eight, as all the talk of weight draining would be used as an excuseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
Saul hurt his hand after his loss so could not fight for a year, then he could and wanted a warm up and now miraculously Bivol has turned down a high pay day. That all does sound like excuses that Canelo does not wanting the rematch.
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Originally Posted by TICcanelo wanted the chance to prove he can beat dmitry at one seventy five. canelo gets no credit if the rematch takes place at super middle. dmitry was supposedly offered the same terms as the first fight, which is said to be a career high payday for dmitry & where he won the first fight. dmitry turned down the offerQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
Bivol's not the one with something to prove. He whupped Canelo at 175, and now wants to show he can do it at 168. That's not ducking.
And why do you think Dmitry turned down the offer?
(This oughta be good).
:thinking2:
dmitry & canelo have fought once with agreed upon terms. canelo fought dmitry & then ggg as part of his deal. canelo needed surgery after the ggg fight & decided to take the homecoming mandatory against john ryder, with the rematch against dmitry targeted for september. canelo has stated same terms as the first fight. can you show me what team dmitry had offered canelo in terms for a fight at one sixty eight?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAs you said no one knows what was in the original contract yet you have concluded that Bivol has ducked Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdmitry is said have had a two million guarantee & made about five million with his share of the ppv for the first fight. if canelo was offering the same terms it would still be at the very least dmitry's second highest purse in his career. dmitry could record another win over a current pound for pound fighter, a current undisputed champion & a future hall of famer. dmitry was offered the fight & turned it down. you yourself said it would be ridiculous for dmitry to fight canelo at super middle. canelo would get no credit if he defeated dmitry at one sixty eight, as all the talk of weight draining would be used as an excuseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
Saul hurt his hand after his loss so could not fight for a year, then he could and wanted a warm up and now miraculously Bivol has turned down a high pay day. That all does sound like excuses that Canelo does not wanting the rematch.
you'd have to ask team dmitry why they turned down the same terms as the first fightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo wanted the chance to prove he can beat dmitry at one seventy five. canelo gets no credit if the rematch takes place at super middle. dmitry was supposedly offered the same terms as the first fight, which is said to be a career high payday for dmitry & where he won the first fight. dmitry turned down the offerQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.
That is not ducking.
Bivol's not the one with something to prove. He whupped Canelo at 175, and now wants to show he can do it at 168. That's not ducking.
And why do you think Dmitry turned down the offer?
(This oughta be good).
:thinking2:
I guess Jack 'ducked 'Canelo too ;D. More likely just calling him out on his obvious bullshat with the rehydration clause and trying to drain the man 20 lbs apparently. The fact a man comprehensively defeated is expecting the same terms of a first fight...at a same weight where he and fans already made countless excuses for losing...is nothing but a public saving face and pr exercise. Zero serious intent from Canelo.
who said badou ducked canelo? these rehydration clauses for one fighter have got to go. did you have the same energy for tank v king ry? what did team dmitry offer canelo in terms for a fight at one sixty eight? what excuses did i make for canelo losing to dmitry? canelo is on his farewell tourQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I believe that's rhetorical. Yeh they should but I believe if it's mutual it might work. But in the name of safety if a guy wants to chase belts sac up and fight at the proper weight. No idea what was offered for 168, I was talking 175 where you said the terms were the same. No idea what excuses you personally made. Yep Canelo is eyeing the exit, been saying that for a bit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwho said badou ducked canelo? these rehydration clauses for one fighter have got to go. did you have the same energy for tank v king ry? what did team dmitry offer canelo in terms for a fight at one sixty eight? what excuses did i make for canelo losing to dmitry? canelo is on his farewell tourQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
i don't mind catchweights but not when belts are on the line. if there's a catchweight then there should be no rehydration clause for either guy. they make the weight then they're good. canelo stated same terms. i doubt team dmitry made their own offer, just demanded one sixty eight & probably more money & it backfired on them. line up anthony yarde. i think one guy getting left out of the farewell tour talk is jaimeQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI believe that's rhetorical. Yeh they should but I believe if it's mutual it might work. But in the name of safety if a guy wants to chase belts sac up and fight at the proper weight. No idea what was offered for 168, I was talking 175 where you said the terms were the same. No idea what excuses you personally made. Yep Canelo is eyeing the exit, been saying that for a bit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwho said badou ducked canelo? these rehydration clauses for one fighter have got to go. did you have the same energy for tank v king ry? what did team dmitry offer canelo in terms for a fight at one sixty eight? what excuses did i make for canelo losing to dmitry? canelo is on his farewell tourQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli