Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Kirkland Laing
The thing that really gets on my tits about him is hearing a twentysomething talking about fights that happened decades before he was born. If Larry Merchant does it then it sounds right, but not that annoying little fucker.
I can't get on his case about knowing older fights. If it weren't for younger guys studying up,then we would lose boxingsd rich past. Kellerman is a good historian with sometimes bad ideas. He shouldn't be blamed for studying the golden era. That'd be like criticizing car buffs for rebuilding classic cars or people reading old books or..well you see my point ?
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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noskill
I can't get on his case about knowing older fights. If it weren't for younger guys studying up,then we would lose boxingsd rich past. Kellerman is a good historian with sometimes bad ideas. He shouldn't be blamed for studying the golden era. That'd be like criticizing car buffs for rebuilding classic cars or people reading old books or..well you see my point ?
This is a great point and I couldn't agree more. It always cracks me up how some people will criticize someone else for talking about fights/fighters from a past era, as if it's better for all of us to just be completely ignorant about what happened before we were born.
I thought Max did a good job last night.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
The thing that really gets on my tits about him is hearing a twentysomething talking about fights that happened decades before he was born. If Larry Merchant does it then it sounds right, but not that annoying little fucker. But there's so much that annoys me about Kellerman. Almost every time he opens his mouth he offends me.
That shit pisses me off a little bit too. What does this guy hang out with bert sugar or something. He talks about fights from the 30's almost like he was around in the era. That just goes to show you that he knows his stuff.
When you think about it its's good to see someone as young as him be as enthusiactic about boxing as he his.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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noskill
I can't get on his case about knowing older fights. If it weren't for younger guys studying up,then we would lose boxingsd rich past. Kellerman is a good historian with sometimes bad ideas. He shouldn't be blamed for studying the golden era. That'd be like criticizing car buffs for rebuilding classic cars or people reading old books or..well you see my point ?
Did you ever watch Around the Horn on ESPN when he did it? It was him chairing a debate between a bunch of sports journalists and he used to do the same know-it-all thing on baseball, football, every sport they discussed and almost every programme I saw the jounalists ate his lunch and/or exposed that he didn't know what he was talking about. He was total garbage and failed upwards into a job at HBO entirely because his family is really well-connected in the media world.
I'm not doubting he's a boxing fan or he's read a few books and watched old fights but I still think a guy in his job should have actually have lived through a few of those fights like Merchant instead of having read about them decades later. HBO hired him to appeal to a younger demographic but they should concentrate on appealing to a boxing demographic.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Did you ever watch Around the Horn on ESPN when he did it? It was him chairing a debate between a bunch of sports journalists and he used to do the same know-it-all thing on baseball, football, every sport they discussed and almost every programme I saw the jounalists ate his lunch and/or exposed that he didn't know what he was talking about. He was total garbage and failed upwards into a job at HBO entirely because his family is really well-connected in the media world.
I'm not doubting he's a boxing fan or he's read a few books and watched old fights but I still think a guy in his job should have actually have lived through a few of those fights like Merchant instead of having read about them decades later. HBO hired him to appeal to a younger demographic but they should concentrate on appealing to a boxing demographic.
I hear what your saying But Strictly speaking on boxing I do believe Kellerman & HBO are focused on a boxing demographic as you state.Alot is made of his age or lack there of but the fact remains that he is very knowledgable in the sport.He strikes me as someone that Is a fan first with a general passion for the history of the sport and who is slowly ebbing his way through trial and error into the role boxing commentator.His flaws on camera can be glaring but he knows boxing,past & present.Is Kellerman young, brash and a little goofy?Absolutly,But how and when he developed his Knowledge is frankly not immportant,It is genuine and Is Not scripted,feigned or read off of a prompter.He is uncomfortable on camera but I like that he does not worry so much about the Cosmetics of a show and Lets the history flow.
No doubt that he will never have the first hand experience of a Larry Merchant,None of us will for that matter,But that should not devalue or exclude any one or Kellerman from delving into that available History and trying to keep it In the minds of the current and future Fans alike.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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I hear what your saying But Strictly speaking on boxing I do believe Kellerman & HBO are focused on a boxing demographic as you state.Alot is made of his age or lack there of but the fact remains that he is very knowledgable in the sport.He strikes me as someone that Is a fan first with a general passion for the history of the sport and who is slowly ebbing his way through trial and error into the role boxing commentator.His flaws on camera can be glaring but he knows boxing,past & present.Is Kellerman young, brash and a little goofy?Absolutly,But how and when he developed his Knowledge is frankly not immportant,It is genuine and Is Not scripted,feigned or read off of a prompter.He is uncomfortable on camera but I like that he does not worry so much about the Cosmetics of a show and Lets the history flow.
No doubt that he will never have the first hand experience of a Larry Merchant,None of us will for that matter,But that should not devalue or exclude any one or Kellerman from delving into that available History and trying to keep it In the minds of the current and future Fans alike.
He sounds exactly the same talking about baseball or football, hockey or basketball.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Kirkland Laing
He sounds exactly the same talking about baseball or football, hockey or basketball.
Which is why it's a good thing that HBO pays him to talk about boxing, since that's the sport he's very knowledgeable about.
You seem to just not like the guy and as a result you're trying to denigrate his ability as a boxing commentator.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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SweetPea
Which is why it's a good thing that HBO pays him to talk about boxing, since that's the sport he's very knowledgeable about.
You seem to just not like the guy and as a result you're trying to denigrate his ability as a boxing commentator.
Yep, I definitely don't like him. I want a crusty old guy doing that job, not some twentysomething guy who's read a few books and watched a bunch of videos.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Kirkland Laing
Yep, I definitely don't like him. I want a crusty old guy doing that job, not some twentysomething guy who's read a few books and watched a bunch of videos.
1. Kellerman is turning 35 this year. He's not in his twenties.
2. If you're so insistent on an old guy having the job, then recommend an old guy who can serve as Merchant's heir apparent.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
I'll forever associate the downfall of Juan Diaz with Kellerman.
As Juan's impending defeat became more apparent Lampley seemed to speak less and Kellerman seemed to chime in more worsening the situation each time.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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SweetPea
1. Kellerman is turning 35 this year. He's not in his twenties.
2. If you're so insistent on an old guy having the job, then recommend an old guy who can serve as Merchant's heir apparent.
It's probably just me having an old guy moment about some young whippersnapper on the TV, even though he isn't much younger than me. :) It just doesn't seem right.
As for who can do the job better than Kellerman I'd stay with Larry Merchant but if I had to find somebody else I'd start with crusty old trainers who've been in and around the business for decades, like Angelo Dundee and similar people. All of those guys can call a fight and make observations infinitely better than Kellerman.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Kirkland Laing
It's probably just me having an old guy moment about some young whippersnapper on the TV, even though he isn't much younger than me. :) It just doesn't seem right.
As for who can do the job better than Kellerman I'd stay with Larry Merchant but if I had to find somebody else I'd start with crusty old trainers who've been in and around the business for decades, like Angelo Dundee and similar people. All of those guys can call a fight and make observations infinitely better than Kellerman.
That's what Emmanuel Steward is there for.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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SweetPea
That's what Emmanuel Steward is there for.
So have two people on the commentary team that really know what they're talking about.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Kirkland Laing
So have two people on the commentary team that really know what they're talking about.
Which of Max's statements were factually incorrect?
Right now this thread is "Kirkland Laing doesn't like Max Kellerman."
It'd be cool if it changed into "Kirkland Laing doesn't like Max Kellerman and has provided good evidence to show that Max does not belong on the HBO broadcast team."
But we're not there yet. Show me something, Kirk!
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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SweetPea
Which of Max's statements were factually incorrect?
Right now this thread is "Kirkland Laing doesn't like Max Kellerman."
It'd be cool if it changed into "Kirkland Laing doesn't like Max Kellerman and has provided good evidence to show that Max does not belong on the HBO broadcast team."
But we're not there yet. Show me something, Kirk!
Right now this thread is us two arguing over whether Max Kellerman is any good.
I think we can safely assume that anybody hired by HBO as a boxing analyst at least attains the minimum competency level of being able to get their facts right. The question is, what can they add to the commentary on the fight other than facts? I just have a funny feeling that some old guy like Dundee or Don Turner or even Larry Merchant who's been involved with boxing and big fights for decades might have a more expansive knowledge and perspective than a guy who constantly tells us about stuff he's only read about or watched on black and white movies.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
I don't care what anyone says when it comes to analyzing the fight Emanuel doesn't necessarily know dick-all, but his biases blind him from what is really happening. He favors fighters before the fight has even begun and regardless of how the fight is going he always has something negative to say about certain guys, like MAyweather. The sport doesn't need that, its needs guys like Max Kellerman who are actually objective, and guys who can actually judge fights properly.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Kirkland Laing
I just have a funny feeling that some old guy like Dundee or Don Turner or even Larry Merchant who's been involved with boxing and big fights for decades might have a more expansive knowledge and perspective than a guy who constantly tells us about stuff he's only read about or watched on black and white movies.
If Max knows his stuff, then who cares whether he learned it by watching tapes or actually being there in-person?
Just because you know boxing doesn't mean you make a good TV announcer. Have you ever seen Angelo Dundee work on a TV broadcast? I haven't. For all we know, he could be horrible. Because being on TV is tougher than you think. There are plenty of people who have tons of knowledge, but can't speak clearly and come up with stuff spur of the moment, which is what you need on TV.
Lampley is middle-aged, Merchant and Steward are more old-school, Max is a younger guy with a fresh perspective. I think that's a nice balance. I don't see why HBO needs to become the Geriatric Network. It's a good thing to have different generations of anaylsts represented.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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SweetPea
If Max knows his stuff, then who cares whether he learned it by watching tapes or actually being there in-person?
Just because you know boxing doesn't mean you make a good TV announcer. Have you ever seen Angelo Dundee work on a TV broadcast? I haven't. For all we know, he could be horrible. Because being on TV is tougher than you think. There are plenty of people who have tons of knowledge, but can't speak clearly and come up with stuff spur of the moment, which is what you need on TV.
Lampley is middle-aged, Merchant and Steward are more old-school, Max is a younger guy with a fresh perspective. I think that's a nice balance. I don't see why HBO needs to become the Geriatric Network. It's a good thing to have different generations of anaylsts represented.
They could audition a bunch of geriatrics and find one who works on TV.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree about Max Kellerman.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
I've always thought Max was good because he was so passionate about boxing.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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match
I've always thought Max was good because he was so passionate about boxing.
The problem is he is so biased is frustrating.
Re: Why don't people like Max Kellerman?
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Puya
The problem is he is so biased is frustrating.
What type of bias has he shown? I haven't noticed it.