Pacman v Hamed

I voted with my heart and said Pac. Hamed is just one of those fighters I could never stomach. Of course, voting with my head, I would also say Pac, although I feel the Princess...er... Prince would have a puncher's chance.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I voted with my heart and said Pac. Hamed is just one of those fighters I could never stomach. Of course, voting with my head, I would also say Pac, although I feel the Princess...er... Prince would have a puncher's chance.

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100% correct I couldn't stomach him and I don't think he was past his best when MAB thrashed him he was just outclassed. But one thing you cant take away from him is the heavy hands that he had so yes he would have a punchers chance and nothing else!

This is just a topic that gives me a fucking head ache to be honest.

Truth is, i don't like either of these so i think i'm pretty neut looking at it, and every way i look at it there is a a different outcome and reason for either winning?

but that is what makes boxing one of the greatest sports in the world, good matches are so very hard to call, no matter how would like to big up our ego by saying our pick was right, a lot of the time in even match ups, it comes down to a lot of luck.

I think this match, out of the all the "What if they fought" threads is one of the most itneresting, but hardest to call, luck will play a bigger factor in this than any amount of anaylisying.


The classic thing for all of us to predic in a match that faces to great punchers against eachother is an early KO; but this could very well have seen to very gun shy fighters, both knowing that one clean punch will put them in la-la land.

Neither had a great chin, neither had a BAD one, most of the time they have been in a toe-to-toe it has been their own impressive punch power that has forced the other to back off or go down, rather than their chin that getting them through it.

I personaly would favour Naz in the early rounds, slovenly and recklass in his attacks, he leaves him self very open if he doesn't land big and Naz was all about dodging an attack and landing big with a counter, he had great agility, speed, timing and power, all combined would be a nightmare for a reckless fighter like pac.

While Naz had that, i don't think he was ever tested with someone like pacs hand speed, with his sometimes questionable balance, which was part of his style, if pac landed he could hurt him badly and finish him quick, i just think pac would struggle to land, while Naz wouldn;t so much. it would be very close.

If you want to look at this over a distance, i favour Naz again slightly, there is a good chance pacs sustained attacks could break naz down slowly if he couldn;t connect with the big one, and a fatigued fighter will become sloppy and an easier target to hit, but i think for this to go to the latter rounds, pac would try to box more and get countered a lot, Naz was all about patience, strutting around that ring like the cocky son of a bitch he was, just waiting for the slight opening to land that killing blow, he could controll him self and stay focused, pac i don't think could in a big match, its come forward, all out attack, a more skilled Ricky hattont ype fighter.

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Originally Posted by Preme

This is just a topic that gives me a fucking head ache to be honest.

Truth is, i don't like either of these so i think i'm pretty neut looking at it, and every way i look at it there is a a different outcome and reason for either winning?

but that is what makes boxing one of the greatest sports in the world, good matches are so very hard to call, no matter how would like to big up our ego by saying our pick was right, a lot of the time in even match ups, it comes down to a lot of luck.

I think this match, out of the all the "What if they fought" threads is one of the most itneresting, but hardest to call, luck will play a bigger factor in this than any amount of anaylisying.


The classic thing for all of us to predic in a match that faces to great punchers against eachother is an early KO; but this could very well have seen to very gun shy fighters, both knowing that one clean punch will put them in la-la land.

Neither had a great chin, neither had a BAD one, most of the time they have been in a toe-to-toe it has been their own impressive punch power that has forced the other to back off or go down, rather than their chin that getting them through it.

I personaly would favour Naz in the early rounds, slovenly and recklass in his attacks, he leaves him self very open if he doesn't land big and Naz was all about dodging an attack and landing big with a counter, he had great agility, speed, timing and power, all combined would be a nightmare for a reckless fighter like pac.

While Naz had that, i don't think he was ever tested with someone like pacs hand speed, with his sometimes questionable balance, which was part of his style, if pac landed he could hurt him badly and finish him quick, i just think pac would struggle to land, while Naz wouldn;t so much. it would be very close.

If you want to look at this over a distance, i favour Naz again slightly, there is a good chance pacs sustained attacks could break naz down slowly if he couldn;t connect with the big one, and a fatigued fighter will become sloppy and an easier target to hit, but i think for this to go to the latter rounds, pac would try to box more and get countered a lot, Naz was all about patience, strutting around that ring like the cocky son of a bitch he was, just waiting for the slight opening to land that killing blow, he could controll him self and stay focused, pac i don't think could in a big match, its come forward, all out attack, a more skilled Ricky hattont ype fighter.

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You obviously gave this a lot of thought. Good analysis. I, on the other hand, am prone to shooting from the hip on this one. And given my intense dislike of Hamed, I'll admit to being more than a little biased in my own analysis.

Definitely Pacman!

The best boxer of this generation, no doubt. :cool:

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watch one of Roy's earlier fights where he ko'd this guy jaca or something with a great left hook, when he missed he didn't look too good. But Roy picked his shots a lot better and he didn't really throw the same kind of off balance punches Hamed did, at least not in that style.

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You mean Jorge Vaca ?? that was a great KO he countered with a left hook and sparked him out i didn't see anything wrong with his balance. Of course when anyone misses Majesty they won't look good, but Naz balance was just poor even when he wasn't throwing those lunging shots.

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and because he as george foreman put it "throws punches from behind his back" but its a credit to how fast he was that he was able to land them like he did. Roy was more fundamental then Hamed was imo.

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You think ;D

I mean Roy wasn't the definition of fundamentals but still LOL

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I voted with my heart and said Pac. Hamed is just one of those fighters I could never stomach. Of course, voting with my head, I would also say Pac, although I feel the Princess...er... Prince would have a puncher's chance.

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100% correct I couldn't stomach him and I don't think he was past his best when MAB thrashed him he was just outclassed. But one thing you cant take away from him is the heavy hands that he had so yes he would have a punchers chance and nothing else!

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Nas has a punchers chance but the night he fought Barrera even that wasnt good enough .

Btw Barrera may struggle vs Soto now cuz he is past his best and Soto looked pretty good last time. So thats a tough comeback fight for Marco . :-\

Manny in about 7
He was awesome against Diaz

I think the better matchup would be Hamed Vs. the buffet at the Bellagio, thats a toss up IMO. Pacman I think could take Naz's shots and make him pay for those low hands. If we were in the mid nineties I might lean towards Naz because Manny has really improved since those days, back then he might have run into a wild shot from Naz.

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Originally Posted by Hoagy

Manny in about 7
He was awesome against Diaz

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Wouldn't anybody look amazing against someone like Diaz? :p

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Manny in about 7
He was awesome against Diaz

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Wouldn't anybody look amazing against someone like Diaz? :p

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Pac was only the 2nd loss of his pro career. :rolleyes:

So what you're saying is 34 of Diaz's opponents looked amazing losing to him. :p

Prime vs Prime? Pacman any day of the week. Too much speed, power, stamina and chin for the Prince to handle.

Pacquiao. I don't think Naz would have been able to take 12 rounds of non-stop activity,to take it one more step I think Marquez would have picked apart Naz.

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Manny in about 7
He was awesome against Diaz

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Wouldn't anybody look amazing against someone like Diaz?

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Pac was only the 2nd loss of his pro career.
So what you're saying is 34 of Diaz's opponents looked amazing losing to him.

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Look at Diaz resume. Did you really think he would bring challenge to Pac? Even Mexican commentators were questioning how he became a champion. Since round one anybody could tell Diaz was not a challenge for Pac: no punching power, no jab, no NOTHING. I give Pac more credit for beating Barrera and Morales but not a guy like Diaz.

I went with Hamed i think he would have stopped Pac at Featherweight styles make fights and this would have been AWESOME!! if only Naz had hung around

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

I went with Hamed i think he would have stopped Pac at Featherweight styles make fights and this would have been AWESOME!! if only Naz had hung around

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If he had hung around by his neck i would have been happy to.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

I went with Hamed i think he would have stopped Pac at Featherweight styles make fights and this would have been AWESOME!! if only Naz had hung around

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Same here. Naz faced so many guys out there who would do charge him like Pac does and all he would do was move away and counter with that strong left uppercut or hook.

This has been debated for years on here, no need for me to repeat everything I've said like 18 times. I do think Naz' habit of pulling his head straight back with his hands down would be problematic against a guy with as quick a left hand as Pac.

Naz was awesome 15 featherweight world title defences W.B.O also beat the I.B.F/W.B.C/W.B.A champs he didn't train 100% for Barrera as the little episode shows Naz was undisputed feather champ it int 100% Pac would beat him.

This is a good question, which has been asked a few times. After reading a some comments a few people have questioned nas's chin, which is remarkable. I know he has been down a few times, mostly due to his balance but i dont think ive ever seen him actually hurt. Nas had one of the best chin's in the business if not the best, if you look at the barrera fight he took an astonishing beating but didnt look close to eing stopped.

I do think nas was past his best when he fought barrera but even in his prime i think he would lose but would be a lot more competetive fight and would always have a punchers chance. I think nas would struggle against world class technical fighter due to his style so i reakon jmm would win to on points.

Pac man on the other hand is not a technical fighter but back in the day when he fought barrera he was lightning quick, never seen anyone so fast before. I think nas would most like it find it easier to fight pacman rarther than barrera prime 4 prime. Again i give this one to pacman just because of his sheer speed, and even nas's reflexes in his prime wouldnt be able to move out of the way. Can only be a points victory though as although pac has a big left a dont think it would be enought so stop nas's granite chine whhilst on the other hand nas could catch pacman coming in and he had certainly had the power to stop hime. percentenge wise

40/60% for nas v pacman
30/70% nas v barrera

+ i do think nas was under rated jsut because he was hated so much, but no doubt he was world class fighter and entertainer. where still talikng about hime like 6-7 years later and if you search the threads something similur is always bougt up aboout nas ever few months.

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Originally Posted by MIKAY

This is a good question, which has been asked a few times. After reading a some comments a few people have questioned nas's chin, which is remarkable. I know he has been down a few times, mostly due to his balance but i dont think ive ever seen him actually hurt. Nas had one of the best chin's in the business if not the best, if you look at the barrera fight he took an astonishing beating but didnt look close to eing stopped.

I do think nas was past his best when he fought barrera but even in his prime i think he would lose but would be a lot more competetive fight and would always have a punchers chance. I think nas would struggle against world class technical fighter due to his style so i reakon jmm would win to on points.

Pac man on the other hand is not a technical fighter but back in the day when he fought barrera he was lightning quick, never seen anyone so fast before. I think nas would most like it find it easier to fight pacman rarther than barrera prime 4 prime. Again i give this one to pacman just because of his sheer speed, and even nas's reflexes in his prime wouldnt be able to move out of the way. Can only be a points victory though as although pac has a big left a dont think it would be enought so stop nas's granite chine whhilst on the other hand nas could catch pacman coming in and he had certainly had the power to stop hime. percentenge wise

40/60% for nas v pacman
30/70% nas v barrera

+ i do think nas was under rated jsut because he was hated so much, but no doubt he was world class fighter and entertainer. where still talikng about hime like 6-7 years later and if you search the threads something similur is always bougt up aboout nas ever few months.

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YES HAMED HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN THAN GUYS LIKE OLIVER MCCALL AND MARVIN HAGLER LOL

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Originally Posted by MIKAY

This is a good question, which has been asked a few times. After reading a some comments a few people have questioned nas's chin, which is remarkable. I know he has been down a few times, mostly due to his balance but i dont think ive ever seen him actually hurt. Nas had one of the best chin's in the business if not the best, if you look at the barrera fight he took an astonishing beating but didnt look close to eing stopped.

I do think nas was past his best when he fought barrera but even in his prime i think he would lose but would be a lot more competetive fight and would always have a punchers chance. I think nas would struggle against world class technical fighter due to his style so i reakon jmm would win to on points.

Pac man on the other hand is not a technical fighter but back in the day when he fought barrera he was lightning quick, never seen anyone so fast before. I think nas would most like it find it easier to fight pacman rarther than barrera prime 4 prime. Again i give this one to pacman just because of his sheer speed, and even nas's reflexes in his prime wouldnt be able to move out of the way. Can only be a points victory though as although pac has a big left a dont think it would be enought so stop nas's granite chine whhilst on the other hand nas could catch pacman coming in and he had certainly had the power to stop hime. percentenge wise

40/60% for nas v pacman
30/70% nas v barrera

+ i do think nas was under rated jsut because he was hated so much, but no doubt he was world class fighter and entertainer. where still talikng about hime like 6-7 years later and if you search the threads something similur is always bougt up aboout nas ever few months.

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YES HAMED HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN THAN GUYS LIKE OLIVER MCCALL AND MARVIN HAGLER LOL

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wow , a really intelligent reply!

Well the evidence for Nas's chin -> He was never stopped by Barrera or even hurt as Mikay said, and also in the Kelly fight, he kept on getting back up and fought with alot of heart. But would he be getting up from Pacmans punches like Kellys...

Probably not...!