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Trainer Monkey
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Fenster
What does that have to do with Calzaghe? You are now (without realising it) highlighting Warrens negotiating skills. ;D
And Kessler was "pulling" his right hand the entire fight? :rolleyes: I doubt you've even seen the fight ONCE ;)
Own it, he was pulling up and any moron can see that,Id love to see a rematch
Who do you think won the fight?
Oh I definitely think Joe out pointed him,thats what makes a rematch so enticing,Kessler was obviously hurt,and survived,and lets face it,all he was doing was trying to survive.
Its one of the most interesting fights available to Joe right now.Its one of 3, Dawson Froch or a rematch with Kessler.
Hopkins isnt interesting,maybe Bernard wins this time,it could have gone either way,but its going to be the same fight.
Kessler is still an unkown.
I want to see the fight with Kessler healthy,maybe Joe whips him,but I want to see the both of them healthy in there. We havent seen that,I want to.
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Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Don't think so. There were no names at middleweight either. It took Trinidad moving up to give Hopkins a BIG NAME fight. After that (which is when the Calzaghe offer was made) he fought no-names like Hakkar, and Robert Allen for the 50th time, before little Oscar obliged him with a big payday.
It should be said to B-Hop's defence that little Oscar provided something like ten million reasons for him to stay at 160.
That the money werent right for the risk it brought, doesnt mean Hopkins was scared. Same goes for Joe not coming to the States earlier.
Hang on.. Hopkins doesn't need a defence from anything ive said. Nothing has been dispariging towards him.
Imagine Hopkins had the choice (obviously he didn't) .. either fight Oscar for 10m or fight Calzaghe for say 5m.. that can't even be seriously considered, not for a minute, second, nanosecond ;D
Actually I had first written the word defence in brackets, but decided to erase them as it just seemed too gay. Anyway, I know you didnt attack him or anything, my point was merely that no matter the sporting level, Hopkins had very good reasons to not fight Calzaghe.
I guess we dont disagree, but I just thought it was a point worth making.
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I dug this up from an old thread .... mention of lots of things ..... but no damaged hand tho interestingly.....Have a read and see what ya think...
Originally Posted by jangeorg
CARDIFF--I felt like I was walking into the lion�s den�no make that the Welsh Dragon�s den Sunday morning at Millennium Stadium. I heard 50,000 voices, about 90 percent very unfriendly and a small sprinkling of guys waving my red and white Danish flag.
I could not hear a word the people were saying but I know it wasn�t, �Hey, Mr. Kessler, good to see ya, good luck.� After Joe Calzaghe, a masterful champion beat me over 12 hard rounds, some in Team Kessler told me the Calzaghe partisans were screaming obscenities and singing the football song, �Who Are You
The whole world knew who Mr. Calzaghe was BEFORE this bout which was seen in 70 countries. Now I think, and I hope, the whole world, or at least that part of it which cares for our great sport of boxing, knows who Mikkel Kessler is.
I offer no excuses except to say I was not in 100 percent top form. It didn�t help that my guy, Mogens Palle, fell seriously ill and remains in hospital here. I am praying that Mogens soon rebound and returns to Denmark. He will be celebrating his 50th anniversary as a fight promoter Wednesday and I hope to visit with him on that special day. Because of his condition he could not be with us at ringside.
Like I say no sour grapes, no whining, and no excuses. Joe beat me fair and square on his home grounds. This cat has more tricks than any magician. I knew he would be difficult to hit but I think I clearly hit him harder and more often than any other opponent he�s ever had! I tip my hat to Joe, to his father/trainer Enzo and to their promoter, Frank Warren.
Warren told me in the ring when it was over, �You will be the top champ, you will be The Man, once Joe retires.� Good, sportsmanlike comments and I got more of those plus genuine applause from the punters when I walked out of the arena after doing interviews with Danish TV, with British Setanta and with HBO.
I also appreciated the fact that HBO�s Kery Davis came over to me after the press conference and told me I still figure in their plans and there are �many� good fights which they will consider for me. Kery is a real gentleman.
I didn�t want to spoil Joe�s moment, his big night, but I wanted to ask and I ask now of Warren and Enzo and Joe, why not a rematch? But Joe made it clear as we sat on the podium, saying, �I don�t think so because you will only do better and I may not do as well. I don�t like rematches.�
Maybe, when the magnitude of the event sinks in, Team Calzaghe will reconsider. This show was a huge commercial and artistic success and a rematch would be even more lucrative for all the involved parties.
An American reporter asked me and our American agent, Michael Marley, who I might fight next. Marley said, �A guy who was willing to come into Joe�s kitchen and fight him right there, as Mikkel did tonight, will go anywhere and fight anybody.�
My two world title belts are suddenly gone. I miss them already. I am young, only 28, and I believe my best fights and better nights are ahead of me.
I will look at any opponent out there�IBF champ Lucien Bute, the winner of Taylor-Pavlik II, Anthony Mundine for a rematch�my options are many. I know I didn�t hurt myself, especially in the UK and America, with my performance.
I thank HBO, Setanta, Viasat in Denmark, my promoter/manager Bettina Palle, my training team and everyone else who gave me their support.
I didn�t win this fight but I believe I won over millions of fans.
"I hope my effort and Joe�s give more fuel to boxing�s brilliant resurgence.
He has proven, for the moment that he is Number One at 168 pounds. If he abandons the weight, I lay claim to that position. I am not guy who is content to be Number Two in anything.
I will be back. And I will return stronger, sharper and tougher than ever. I know I am just going into my primetime years in boxing.
Again, big respect for Joe. But the best of Mikkel Kessler is yet to come!
MIKKEL KESSLER
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Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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Trainer Monkey
And even then Kessler's management boned it,they should have put a rematch clause in there,they more or less bent over and spread for Warren.
Location,pay,and a rematch clause,they pulled off none of the above.
I know they were feeling confident in their boy,but jeez,you should have gotten one of them,they got none
There is no way Kessler was in a position to demand a rematch. They gave up the location, but that only meant more money. To say they gave up pay is ridiculous - Kessler got more money out of that fight than Pavlik or Hopkins got for their fight - combined.
I dont think the hand mattered much. I, for one, didnt see too many problems with it. Maybe it hurt his preparations a bit (we'll never know), but he choose to go on with the fight, and the minute he stepped into the ring he lost any right to use it as an excuse. Same with Pavlik.
However, even if there was a difference in class in Cardiff, I wouldnt completely rule out Kessler's chances in a rematch. First of all, Calzaghe is likely to get worse. Second, Kessler fought the wrong fight from round 5 or so, making it a bit to easy for Calzaghe (I dont think he would have won using plan A anyway, especially not in Wales, but he would have made it close). Keep in mind also that before that fight Kessler had never lost a round with all three judges, and probably lost less than a handful of rounds altogether in his career. So when he needed to be clutch the most, it was a whole new experiecence for him and his corner. If he can stay with his gameplan in a place where the cards arent stacked against him, Kessler could have a chance.
But all of this doesnt matter, as it would make no sense for Calzaghe to fight him anyway.
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Trainer Monkey
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Own it, he was pulling up and any moron can see that,Id love to see a rematch
Who do you think won the fight?
Oh I definitely think Joe out pointed him,thats what makes a rematch so enticing,Kessler was obviously hurt,and survived,and lets face it,all he was doing was trying to survive.
Its one of the most interesting fights available to Joe right now.Its one of 3, Dawson Froch or a rematch with Kessler.
Hopkins isnt interesting,maybe Bernard wins this time,it could have gone either way,but its going to be the same fight.
Kessler is still an unkown.
I want to see the fight with Kessler healthy,maybe Joe whips him,but I want to see the both of them healthy in there. We havent seen that,I want to.
Good. Finally you've seen what EVERYONE else (the morons) did on the night. How many viewings did it take for you to realise Joe won?
Originally YOU didn't know who won. Look...
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so do you actually think Kessler won???????????????????????????
I honestly dont know,Kessler lands the bombs,Joe throws more punches.
Its an I dont know fight
It looks like Joes mainly hitting arms and hips,but Kessler isnt doing the damage he needs to do,he's landing but Joe is still there the entire time
What Im saying is,would it be a totally different fight if a one handed Kessler didnt have to go for a knockout?
You and everyone else knows the only way he was walking out of Cardiff with a win was putting Joe down
Would it be different if it was in Vegas?
And he had both hands?
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Trainer Monkey
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Who do you think won the fight?
Oh I definitely think Joe out pointed him,thats what makes a rematch so enticing,Kessler was obviously hurt,and survived,and lets face it,all he was doing was trying to survive.
Its one of the most interesting fights available to Joe right now.Its one of 3, Dawson Froch or a rematch with Kessler.
Hopkins isnt interesting,maybe Bernard wins this time,it could have gone either way,but its going to be the same fight.
Kessler is still an unkown.
I want to see the fight with Kessler healthy,maybe Joe whips him,but I want to see the both of them healthy in there. We havent seen that,I want to.
Good. Finally you've seen what EVERYONE else (the morons) did on the night. How many viewings did it take for you to realise Joe won?
Originally YOU didn't know who won. Look...
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so do you actually think Kessler won???????????????????????????
I honestly dont know,Kessler lands the bombs,Joe throws more punches.
Its an I dont know fight
It looks like Joes mainly hitting arms and hips,but Kessler isnt doing the damage he needs to do,he's landing but Joe is still there the entire time
What Im saying is,would it be a totally different fight if a one handed Kessler didnt have to go for a knockout?
You and everyone else knows the only way he was walking out of Cardiff with a win was putting Joe down
Would it be different if it was in Vegas?
And he had both hands?
;)
Its a typical Joe fight,he throws like mad,but he doesnt land very often. I want the rematch
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hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...
He really did waste the best years of his career..
Now, come on, do you really think he could demand that, that was pre-Lacy fight.... He wasn't the bigger draw so he really couldn't ask that now could he...you can say thats ducking.
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hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...
He really did waste the best years of his career..
Now, come on, do you really think he could demand that, that was pre-Lacy fight.... He wasn't the bigger draw so he really couldn't ask that now could he...you can say thats ducking.
So working on your line of thinking bud when Hopkins tried to double his money to 6 m after his team had provisionally accepted 3 m,
Well I suppose ya could call that ducking too couldnt ya ... as its pricing yourself out of it....
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One point, for about 4 years prior the Lacy Fight I think the reason Joe was going through meaingless Fights theres a very good reason. He was in the process of going through a messy and expensive Divorce ;D.
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Trainer Monkey
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Oh I definitely think Joe out pointed him,thats what makes a rematch so enticing,Kessler was obviously hurt,and survived,and lets face it,all he was doing was trying to survive.
Its one of the most interesting fights available to Joe right now.Its one of 3, Dawson Froch or a rematch with Kessler.
Hopkins isnt interesting,maybe Bernard wins this time,it could have gone either way,but its going to be the same fight.
Kessler is still an unkown.
I want to see the fight with Kessler healthy,maybe Joe whips him,but I want to see the both of them healthy in there. We havent seen that,I want to.
Good. Finally you've seen what EVERYONE else (the morons) did on the night. How many viewings did it take for you to realise Joe won?
Originally YOU didn't know who won. Look...
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Trainer Monkey
I honestly dont know,Kessler lands the bombs,Joe throws more punches.
Its an I dont know fight
It looks like Joes mainly hitting arms and hips,but Kessler isnt doing the damage he needs to do,he's landing but Joe is still there the entire time
What Im saying is,would it be a totally different fight if a one handed Kessler didnt have to go for a knockout?
You and everyone else knows the only way he was walking out of Cardiff with a win was putting Joe down
Would it be different if it was in Vegas?
And he had both hands?
;)
Its a typical Joe fight,he throws like mad,but he doesnt land very often. I want the rematch
Yet, in the end, you still scored the fight for Joe. Although it looks like only after realising YOU were the only person on Earth that DID NOT think Calzaghe clearly won.
Same as you're the ONLY person making EXCUSES about Kesslers hand ;)
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Its how Joe defends Himself clever, if the other guys gloves are getting Hit, Nueromusculary He cant react He has to change distance Horrible to watch. But it works a treat, early doors there could be trouble and usually there is. Once the eyes in its Hard work getting Him with a good shot.
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Its how Joe defends Himself clever, if the other guys gloves are getting Hit, Nueromusculary He cant react He has to change distance Horrible to watch. But it works a treat, early doors there could be trouble and usually there is. Once the eyes in its Hard work getting Him with a good shot.
Interesting scrap.
I think Manny Steward said something similar commentating on his fights - his unique style makes him hard to consistently hit.
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still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...
But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...
A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and
rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.
joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured
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Trainer Monkey
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still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...
But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...
A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and
rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.
joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured
Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,
Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...
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See your Micky Duff quote Bambam, heres one He told me. Ive heard of a Born again Christian, but never a Born again Jew ;D
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Scrap
See your Micky Duff quote Bambam, heres one He told me. Ive heard of a Born again Christian, but never a Born again Jew ;D
:lolololol:
He was awesome with some of his old lines ... me & my mates always called him the Elephant man because of his wispy hair and biggish fore head :lolololol:
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A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.
joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured
Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,
Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...
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Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?
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joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured
Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,
Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...
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Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?
A case could be made that Calzaghe ruined Lacy.
The Kessler fight was not that close, Calzaghe clearly won, making the necessary adjustments and baffling Kessler in the later rounds. Kessler's injury shouldn't be used as an excuse, because it did not stop him from throwing and landing his best shots. Shots that JC handled well. Additionally, Kessler has done absolutely nothing since the fight to warrant a rematch.
The only rematch I want to see is the Hopkins one, but I'm in the minority.
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joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured
Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,
Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...
(And one more thing, yes Lacy sucks, but the world didn't know that till JC destroyed him, no matter what they claim right now)
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Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?
For Gods sake read Kess's own letter ... Ya could also say if Jones & Hopkins was that good then why not come to Wales or London to kick Joes ass ...
You could go on forever, fact is Kess made a good attempt to dethrone Joe ... but lost to a better man with no excuses ... he is the one who says that not me ... what more dya want ... a phone call from Mr K himself.
Bud, with champions there will always be clammers for re matches, there will always be claims of injured hands & management fall outs etc.
THATS BOXING:beerchug:
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bambamdaddio
Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,
Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...
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Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?
For Gods sake read Kess's own letter ... Ya could also say if Jones & Hopkins was that good then why not come to Wales or London to kick Joes ass ...
You could go on forever, fact is Kess made a good attempt to dethrone Joe ... but lost to a better man with no excuses ... he is the one who says that not me ... what more dya want ... a phone call from Mr K himself.
Bud, with champions there will always be clammers for re matches, there will always be claims of injured hands & management fall outs etc.
THATS BOXING:beerchug:
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Why exactly,are you afraid of a rematch then?
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Dude because Kessler has done nothing to show he deserves the rematch he lost very clearly and has done nothing since then are you a blind man TM keep telling you and you act like you can not read you are like a broken record on this Kessler lost and thats all there is he has done nothing for a rematch Calzaghe equals better man what else you want TM i know you are a hater when it comes to Calzaghe but come on now it is getting old and you just seem not to see that you are wrong i guess.
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Also another thing you also thought Kessler won what happen to that now you changed it to his hand i mean come on Calzaghe won it is ok everything while be ok just because he won does not mean it while effect you in anyway if that is why you keep on going with this topic.
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What's Joe done wrong now?
Remained unbeaten? Done that.
Not stepped out of his back yard? Done that - Germany, Denmark and the US and if I wanna be pedantic then England and Scotland aswell.
Not been in a Unification? Kessler and Lacy anyone.
Longevity? Over 10 years as a champ.
Cameback from adversity? floored 4 times. Twice in the 1st and cameback to win.
Won while injured? Broke hand in 4th against Ashira and boxed onehanded to a points decision.
Not beaten anybody? Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell are all good competition - doesn't matter who else you beat - you still beat them.
Beaten undefeated opponents? Veit, Lacy and Kessler.
Think he's just about done it all.
Enjoy your retirement Joe and let the armchair doubters remain in their armchairs.;D
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RESPONSE TO TRAINER MONKEY
Not afraid in the slightest but what you dont seem to appreciate is that Joe can now more or less pick his fights because of his success's like other successful fighters have been able to do .. he beat Kessler fairly no ifs or buts should Robin Reid, Bika, or Eubanks or even Roy Jones get re matches they all have or had reason...& thats just a random list of the top of my head ...
But the answer is no they dont, because re matches aint automatic, & as Ive already said there aint a successful champion born that dont get clobbered with the re match argument at some stage
But it feels to me like you just hate JC & are clutching at straws re Kessler ...
& forgive me for presuming but ya seem also to be from a small group of people that if being honest aint bothered about re matches or what ever ....
YA JUST WANT HIM TO FIGHT UNTIL DEFEATED SO YA CAN SAY TOLD YA SO .. HE AINT THAT SPECIAL...
BUT HE IS MATE, LIKE IT OR NOT...
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Wonder if the TM dude while read what people said or keep saying the same thing like he has for the past post i mean just wondering.
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What's Joe done wrong now?
Remained unbeaten? Done that.
Not stepped out of his back yard? Done that - Germany, Denmark and the US and if I wanna be pedantic then England and Scotland aswell.
Not been in a Unification? Kessler and Lacy anyone.
Longevity? Over 10 years as a champ.
Cameback from adversity? floored 4 times. Twice in the 1st and cameback to win.
Won while injured? Broke hand in 4th against Ashira and boxed onehanded to a points decision.
Not beaten anybody? Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell are all good competition - doesn't matter who else you beat - you still beat them.
Beaten undefeated opponents? Veit, Lacy and Kessler.
Think he's just about done it all.
Enjoy your retirement Joe and let the armchair doubters remain in their armchairs.;D
Brilliant posting ...:coolclick:
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While were on this topic yea there are things Calzaghe could of done but o well he is not my favorite fighter in the world but he has done well.
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Wonder if the TM dude while read what people said or keep saying the same thing like he has for the past post i mean just wondering.
Well said bud !!!:lolololol:
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Yeah which is why as soon as I said he was saying he was hurt,the first words out of the mouth of someone who watched the fight with me was, "It was his hand,wasnt it?"
It was pretty obvious
Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.
Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"
For somebody who couldn't throw his right hand he threw an awful lot of them during the fight. The hardest punches he hit Calzaghe with were all right hands. It was almost as if there was nothing wrong with his hand at all.
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Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.
Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"
For somebody who couldn't throw his right hand he threw an awful lot of them during the fight. The hardest punches he hit Calzaghe with were all right hands. It was almost as if there was nothing wrong with his hand at all.
Nice one & as Kess said at the time "I think I hit him harder & more often than any opponent has"
not bad for someone with a so called dodgy hand is it:lolololol:
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Re: Calzaghe ducked the best?
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hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...
He really did waste the best years of his career..
Now, come on, do you really think he could demand that, that was pre-Lacy fight.... He wasn't the bigger draw so he really couldn't ask that now could he...you can say thats ducking.
So working on your line of thinking bud when Hopkins tried to double his money to 6 m after his team had provisionally accepted 3 m,
Well I suppose ya could call that ducking too couldnt ya ... as its pricing yourself out of it....
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Your gonna have to refresh my memory, when was this, because I never really heard of Joe until the Lacy fight. Your talking about a fight in the 90's? When B-hop and RJJ were in their prime? Why did Joe pull out of fights with Glen Johnson so many times? You cannot go and say Joe didn't pick and choose his fights back then. Theres a word for that, what is it....hmm coddled maybe?
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Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please
Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie
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Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please
Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie
These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.
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It's nice to see you back btw, even if you are a miserable bastard who hates Calzaghe. :)
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Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please
Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie
These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.
Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know
Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.
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Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie
These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.
Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know
Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.
Glen Johnson was roughly as good as Clinton Woods who Calzaghe would have done a Jeff Lacy on. Calzaghe didn't fight him because of injuries not because he was worried about losing to him. Reid and Ottke wanted nothing to do with him, both were offered fights. And if you're honest you'd admit you backed Lacy against him but you hate Calzaghe so much you can't admit it. :)
And Hopkins had to cheat in the tenth round because he couldn't keep up with Calzaghe. He lost the fight and you just can't face it and you can't face that you were wrong about Roy Jones too. And you hate Calzaghe so much that you're now knocking Kessler when you used to tell us how good he is. Pathetic. :)
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Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.
Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"
For somebody who couldn't throw his right hand he threw an awful lot of them during the fight. The hardest punches he hit Calzaghe with were all right hands. It was almost as if there was nothing wrong with his hand at all.
When it was rumoured before the fight i thought it was the left Hand Kessler had hurt.:confused:
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I give him credit for beating a young unbeaten fighter in Kessler and if he went to the states and fought another young unbeaten fighter in Dawson i would give him credit again. Because he went to the state and played it pretty safe really fighting 2 old men in Hopkins and Jones i know Hopkins did a job on Pavlik but he is still an old Hopkins and then when he went to Denmark and Germany it was to fight McIntyre and Veit a man he had previously stopped in 1 round all pretty safe bets for travelling to fight really. he fought a faded old weight drained Eubank for the Vacant WBO title then he fought bums and former champs some only a few fights from retirement then he fought Lacy which made him a unified champ but then followed this with Bika and Manfredo Peter Manfredo this was a complete joke even the stoppage was a joke then he fought his best fight in my opinion Kessler but then followed this with Hopkins then Roy Jones who turned out to be more washed up than most first thought. He should have been fighting fighters in the world top ten when he was Super middle champ i think he wasted his best years ive said it this already but Frank Warren said himself that Joe pulled out of 10-12 good fights he lined him up he also said that if it weren't for himself and Joe's dad he was gunna pull out vs Lacy. Joe also said in 2006 that he dont need places like Las Vegas and Madison Square Garden they don't interest him then on 24/7 he's saying things like this is what its all about what better way to go out in the Garden the mecca of boxing. Ducked the best ?? to a certain degree yes but more right place right time or coming along at wrong time if he had come along when their was Eubank,Benn,Collins,Toney and Jones in the Super middleweights we could all be saying different things or maybe not talking about him at all.
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I give him credit for beating a young unbeaten fighter in Kessler and if he went to the states and fought another young unbeaten fighter in Dawson i would give him credit again. Because he went to the state and played it pretty safe really fighting 2 old men in Hopkins and Jones i know Hopkins did a job on Pavlik but he is still an old Hopkins and then when he went to Denmark and Germany it was to fight McIntyre and Veit a man he had previously stopped in 1 round all pretty safe bets for travelling to fight really. he fought a faded old weight drained Eubank for the Vacant WBO title then he fought bums and former champs some only a few fights from retirement then he fought Lacy which made him a unified champ but then followed this with Bika and Manfredo Peter Manfredo this was a complete joke even the stoppage was a joke then he fought his best fight in my opinion Kessler but then followed this with Hopkins then Roy Jones who turned out to be more washed up than most first thought. He should have been fighting fighters in the world top ten when he was Super middle champ i think he wasted his best years ive said it this already but Frank Warren said himself that Joe pulled out of 10-12 good fights he lined him up he also said that if it weren't for himself and Joe's dad he was gunna pull out vs Lacy. Joe also said in 2006 that he dont need places like Las Vegas and Madison Square Garden they don't interest him then on 24/7 he's saying things like this is what its all about what better way to go out in the Garden the mecca of boxing. Ducked the best ?? to a certain degree yes but more right place right time or coming along at wrong time if he had come along when their was Eubank,Benn,Collins,Toney and Jones in the Super middleweights we could all be saying different things or maybe not talking about him at all.
For Lacy he had a knackered hand, thats the only reason he nearly pulled out ....
& rightly or wrongly with Joe, I think he really believed he was the best & that they should come to him ... but its the round in circles thing again some may agree yet some dont ... opinions again aint it bud ... the re match with Veit he was furious over but had no choice I think Veit had become mandatory at the time & refused to step aside for Joe to take a bigger fight which off hand escapes me ....
But interesting to note that Nigel Benn wished Joe had been around in his day too .. but also went on to say he thinks he woulda still come out on top of the pile tho...
With Joe people will always be divided, but good to see you as a none JC fan not sounding spiteful which is seeming to be the pattern with some of late...
Lol ... but I wrote a message to another member the other night re Joe C, & I was high lighting the comparison of the Monty Python Witch sketch re Joe ...
"He's a witch ...
"No Im not"
"Well ya look like a witch, youve got a big nose & pointed hat",
"Yes but they put them on me"....
"Well did you" ....
"Well yes,we did"
"But hes still a witch so burn him anyway lol"...
Im sure ya get my drift bud ...& I am in no way implying your post does the above but there are a group of Witch hunters out there that just wanna burn Joe anyway..
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mrodub
Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please
Just use the Hopkins doubling his purse from 3 to 6 million argument. Calzaghe tried to make the fight but he wasn't interested. Nothing you can do if the other guy doesn't want to fight you. ;)
Anyway, as sonny said, Calzaghe was a nobody back then. Roy could fight far easier guys for probably the same money he would have got for Calzaghe. So why fight him?
Yeah that's true. Hopkins agreed and then changed his mind, demanding double.
He might not have always fought the best in their prime but it wasn't just his fault.
