Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

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Originally Posted by ono

Sorry for the double post. Not sure why it did that.

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:lolololol:Its ok bud .. interesting post tho ... Ive worked in the fitness industry for the last 20 years or so as an adviser, presenter, course tutor, personal trainer, & Gym manager, used to box a little but did a lot of Judo competiton & suffered re the weight as I weighed 82 kgs, and I know who ever I fought in the under 86 kgs was always a lot harde than when I fought in the under 78 kgs wher I really had to work & train hard to make the weight but I was so much sharper and with so much more stamina as well as being less sluggish too

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Originally Posted by ross

Rickys problem was arrogance, he looked at Floyd and saw a smaller fighter, he fought like he was the stranger man, he didnt try and box and rushed in to get countered, I see him being more effective in a rematch but I think hed still get caught too often and probably stopped.

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I think trying to box Mayweather would have been idiotic on his part given Floyd's huge advantage in boxing skill, speed and reach.

Ricky fought the right fight, he just fought a guy who had an answer to every question Ricky asked of him.

I gained a lot of respect for Ricky in this fight because I thought Floyd would completely dominate him, but Ricky made it fairly compeditive and made Floyd very uneasy at times, which not a lot of people do.

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Yet to me it was one sided really .. partly because of Cortez tho..

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Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why???????

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

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I've read all your responses since this post and I still can't understand how if you know you're fighting the best pound for pound fighter in the world that the weight is going to effect your training and dedication.

If you can't cut out the meat pies and the guiness for a fight like this then he shouldn't have took the fight.

If he didn't think he would be able to beat Floyd at 147 then he shouldn't have took the fight (we all know that both he and Billy Graham said that Floyd looked small compared to Ricky before the fight and that he would be in trouble because of it).

So I find it funny that after Ricky and Billy Graham both squashed the weight arguement before the fight even begun, people now turn 180 and say it was 'because of the weight, Ricky wasn't hungry enough'.

Come on now! Ricky even said himself that he was training as though he was fighting for a light welterweight contest so that arguement is complete rubbish imo and doesn't wash with me. Good effort though.

Well Cortez was just enforcing the rules, if you have a reputation for doing something then the refs can only be expected tto watch out for it.

But on the subject of Cortez, after rewatching the fight a few days ago, I noticed Ricky was landing a lot of shots to the back of Floyd's head that weren't called, so I don't think it was biased reffing.

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Originally Posted by ono

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

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That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Well Cortez was just enforcing the rules, if you have a reputation for doing something then the refs can only be expected tto watch out for it.

But on the subject of Cortez, after rewatching the fight a few days ago, I noticed Ricky was landing a lot of shots to the back of Floyd's head that weren't called, so I don't think it was biased reffing.

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Enforcing the rules .... what like he did re Calzaghe Hopkins, working on that basis then Hopkins shoulda been disqualified then shouldnt he..

Sorry I digress ..

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Originally Posted by Althugz

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Originally Posted by ono

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

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That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

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You don't. That's my point. It could be that he is naturally a lot bigger than what we all think. So once he fights at the heavier weights, his core stength is pretty much already there.....because he's fighting at a natural weight. Wheras Ricky has to consciously weight-train, specifically to add the 7lb of muscle.

What you've put in bold is pretty much what i'm thinking....altho i don't know how much Floyd drained himself at 130/135.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

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Originally Posted by ono

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

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That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

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Who said anything about draining... its strict regime... correct trainig & nutrition ...if Hatton strips the fat & excess fluid down through a combo of decent aerobic & anaerobic training .. whats he left with .. lean muscle, lean muscle that dont have to carry the extra fat around..

The carbs of the diet would be used as training fuel essentially so there would be no excess gained or stored,,,

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Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

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Originally Posted by Althugz

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Originally Posted by ono

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.

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That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

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Who said anything about draining... its strict regime... correct trainig & nutrition ...if Hatton strips the fat & excess fluid down through a combo of decent aerobic & anaerobic training .. whats he left with .. lean muscle, lean muscle that dont have to carry the extra fat around..

The carbs of the diet would be used as training fuel essentially so there would be no excess gained or stored,,,

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Sorry, i'm not understanding your point. I don't mean that in a rude way.....i'm just a little confused by your post. I think he was talking about Floyd being weight-drained.....not Ricky. :)

Maybe Hatton just feels stronger fitter better at lw or why fight a career there if that aint the case then ????

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

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Originally Posted by Althugz

That is quite interesting, I agree.

Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.

You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)

Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.

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Who said anything about draining... its strict regime... correct trainig & nutrition ...if Hatton strips the fat & excess fluid down through a combo of decent aerobic & anaerobic training .. whats he left with .. lean muscle, lean muscle that dont have to carry the extra fat around..

The carbs of the diet would be used as training fuel essentially so there would be no excess gained or stored,,,

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Sorry, i'm not understanding your point. I don't mean that in a rude way.....i'm just a little confused by your post. I think he was talking about Floyd being weight-drained.....not Ricky. :)

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Sorry bud my mis understanding ... lol but Im getting it at all angles & trying to be fair in replyi to you all is no mean fete :lolololol:

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Originally Posted by Althugz

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Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why???????

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

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I've read all your responses since this post and I still can't understand how if you know you're fighting the best pound for pound fighter in the world that the weight is going to effect your training and dedication.

If you can't cut out the meat pies and the guiness for a fight like this then he shouldn't have took the fight.

If he didn't think he would be able to beat Floyd at 147 then he shouldn't have took the fight (we all know that both he and Billy Graham said that Floyd looked small compared to Ricky before the fight and that he would be in trouble because of it).

So I find it funny that after Ricky and Billy Graham both squashed the weight arguement before the fight even begun, people now turn 180 and say it was 'because of the weight, Ricky wasn't hungry enough'.

Come on now! Ricky even said himself that he was training as though he was fighting for a light welterweight contest so that arguement is complete rubbish imo and doesn't wash with me. Good effort though.

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Then why did Billy Graham if ya remember after the fight come to the mike & say I told you all he was a lite welter...

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Originally Posted by ono

Sorry for the double post. Not sure why it did that.

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:lolololol:Its ok bud .. interesting post tho ... Ive worked in the fitness industry for the last 20 years or so as an adviser, presenter, course tutor, personal trainer, & Gym manager, used to box a little but did a lot of Judo competiton & suffered re the weight as I weighed 82 kgs, and I know who ever I fought in the under 86 kgs was always a lot harde than when I fought in the under 78 kgs wher I really had to work & train hard to make the weight but I was so much sharper and with so much more stamina as well as being less sluggish too

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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.

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Originally Posted by ono

Sorry for the double post. Not sure why it did that.

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:lolololol:Its ok bud .. interesting post tho ... Ive worked in the fitness industry for the last 20 years or so as an adviser, presenter, course tutor, personal trainer, & Gym manager, used to box a little but did a lot of Judo competiton & suffered re the weight as I weighed 82 kgs, and I know who ever I fought in the under 86 kgs was always a lot harde than when I fought in the under 78 kgs wher I really had to work & train hard to make the weight but I was so much sharper and with so much more stamina as well as being less sluggish too

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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.

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Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...

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:lolololol:Its ok bud .. interesting post tho ... Ive worked in the fitness industry for the last 20 years or so as an adviser, presenter, course tutor, personal trainer, & Gym manager, used to box a little but did a lot of Judo competiton & suffered re the weight as I weighed 82 kgs, and I know who ever I fought in the under 86 kgs was always a lot harde than when I fought in the under 78 kgs wher I really had to work & train hard to make the weight but I was so much sharper and with so much more stamina as well as being less sluggish too

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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.

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Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...

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Premier Global. It's for 16 points on REPS. I'm amazed really. So different from what you read in fitness magazines. Some top class advice in there. Just going through a section on free radicals at the minute.....tis all goood fun ;D

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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.

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Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...

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Premier Global. It's for 16 points on REPS. I'm amazed really. So different from what you read in fitness magazines. Some top class advice in there. Just going through a section on free radicals at the minute.....tis all goood fun ;D

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Nice one bud & good luck in all ya do too..

Lol ya got me feeling my age as its a while since I did a college course & feeling rusty & crusty :lolololol:


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Spot on Bro .. simple as that :beerchug:


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But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

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OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

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Reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm saying that, essentially, your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.

It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.

There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.

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But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

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OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

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Reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm saying that, essentially, your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.

It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.

There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.

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Yes ok, thats fine..
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I think you look at the difference in the fighter, Mayweather ability to move, and throw combinations decreased significantly as he went up to welterweight, it reminded me of Roy Jones when he took on John Ruiz. Ricky Hatton retained virtually the same speed in every department, he looked the same. WHen a guy like Mayweather really has to bulk up to make welterweight then he is the smaller guy, I mean he was a small junior welterweight, and If you look back people used to use the arguement that Hatton would beat Floyd around the Hatton-Tszyu and Mayweather-Gatti because Mayweather never delt with strength or size like HAtton brought to the table.

Hatton's size is misleading because he is short, but like Miguel Cotto(to a lesser extent), and Joshua Clottey, he is has a very condensed body whereas Mayweather has a lean body, longer body. WHen Mayweather went up to welterweight he blew up in muscle size, but that isn't the same as natural strength and size, as Mosley-Wright would indicate. Mosley was naturally stronger, but in the ring he wasn't stronger because that strength was purely explosive fast fibers, in terms of retention of strength Winky had the upper edge. We saw it with Calzaghe against Lacy where he muscled Lacy around the ring, not jsut outboxed him. There were a few times in the Hatton-Mayweather fight where Hatton easily maneuvered Mayweather, and he no problem keeping Mayweather on the ropes, but like against Corrales the longer Mayweather was pot shotting Hatton, just like he did to Corrales it weakens them. Mayweather wasn't the stronger man, but he was in better shape(which is better than anyone's in boxing), and he let Hatton wear himself out.

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Mayweather wasn't the stronger man, but he was in better shape(which is better than anyone's in boxing

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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.

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Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...

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Premier Global. It's for 16 points on REPS. I'm amazed really. So different from what you read in fitness magazines. Some top class advice in there. Just going through a section on free radicals at the minute.....tis all goood fun ;D

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That's who I did mine with 7 years ago. Give me a shout if you need any help with any of it. Although I looked at some of the course material now and it's changed quite a bit!
I've still kept up to date thanks to working with some awesome people though.

Good luck with it

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OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why???????

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

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I've read all your responses since this post and I still can't understand how if you know you're fighting the best pound for pound fighter in the world that the weight is going to effect your training and dedication.

If you can't cut out the meat pies and the guiness for a fight like this then he shouldn't have took the fight.

If he didn't think he would be able to beat Floyd at 147 then he shouldn't have took the fight (we all know that both he and Billy Graham said that Floyd looked small compared to Ricky before the fight and that he would be in trouble because of it).

So I find it funny that after Ricky and Billy Graham both squashed the weight arguement before the fight even begun, people now turn 180 and say it was 'because of the weight, Ricky wasn't hungry enough'.

Come on now! Ricky even said himself that he was training as though he was fighting for a light welterweight contest so that arguement is complete rubbish imo and doesn't wash with me. Good effort though.

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Then why did Billy Graham if ya remember after the fight come to the mike & say I told you all he was a lite welter...

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I'll tell ya just as soon as you tell me why he said before the fight that Hatton was the bigger man and that Floyd was going to be in trouble for it? It's all excuses at the end of the day after his fighter lost...

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I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.

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Floyd was coming down from light middleweight . Hatton was moving up from lightwelter

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I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.

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Floyd was coming down from light middleweight . Hatton was moving up from lightwelter

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I realize that but how would the fight have been different at 140?

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I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.

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Floyd was coming down from light middleweight . Hatton was moving up from lightwelter

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I realize that but how would the fight have been different at 140?

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Hatton might have survived until the 11th instead ;D

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Spot on Bro .. simple as that :beerchug:


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But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

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OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

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i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

The weight in this fight had nothing to do with the result whatsoever.

Hatton on fight night was the same weight he fights at come fight night at 140, Mayweather was the same if they fought at 140, Mayweather came in at what 151 on fight night i think, Paulie came in at 149 last week.

In this fight the weigh did not make a jot of difference, against any other fighter i.e Tony Cotto or Williams Hatton would struggle these guys come in on fight night 160+.

So as the thread starter suggested this fight was at 147 between Mayweather and Hatton but it reality they both fought at a weight they would be fighting at give a couple of lbs either way if this fight was at 140.

What are you tlaking about? Mayweather came against Gatti his last 140 pound fight at 140 at fightnight. And there is a difference bulking up to a certain size and being it naturally. Look how much added muscle Mayweather has added since moving up to welterweight, he looks way bigger than he did at 140 and below. Before WW Mayweather generally looked about the same size with a little change, but up at WW both his style and size changed drastically, He had to put on muscle to be big enough for 140 and 147, Hatton didn't/doesn't sure he put on a little muscle for welterweight, but nothing special. IN fact when Hatton fought Collazo he came in at 160, when he fought at LWW he was coming at 154-155 which is 15 pounds more than Mayweather would walk into the ring at, and thats Hatton being ripped, not pudgy. Mayweather stayed around 149 against HAtton who weighed about 155 or 156 that is 7 pounds differences, I would call that a considerable enough weight difference, that a guy who was coming back up to WW, and still easily makes LWW out weighed Maywaether by that much, and Hatton could have weighed a lot more. 160 is what Mayweather walks around at with all this added muscle, it used to be 150 when he was at lww, and that is 5 pounds less than Hatton would come into the ring at lww.

Teath, Id like you to prove that Mayweather walks around at 160 ;D

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

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Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

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Brilliant & dead simple & whats hard to understand about that..:coolclick:


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Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

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I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

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But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

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OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

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i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

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Good points made bud..

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Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

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I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

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But then bud re your response we are getting into peoples opinions .. ya said ya self that you agree with all said except the result or should I say fight at 140 would be the same...

Im not saying the out come would be any different but seeing a far better effort from Hatton is what some think ..,.. & what some dont think too.... opinions .... no more no less

I also love both fighters & think Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation....a very special commodity indeed..


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Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

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I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

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How is it not hard to understand at fight at 140 would be different ?

Of course it would be different. It's a different weight class and it suits Hatton better whearas 147 suited Mayweather better.

Mayweather has not fought at 140 in years, Hatton at 140 is deadly.

It would be a whole different ball game.

Im just about the biggest hatton fan going and even i dont buy this absurd theory that 7pounds makes a world of difference or even a major one.

Hatton got beat by mayweather because floyd was simply the better fighter and ricky being ricky went for all knowing he had to KO his man and got caught.

Collazo was simply an off night and a massive learning curve for ricky.

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Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

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I read through this and agreed with everything until you said "A fight at 140 would be totally different."

After watching Floyd Hatton it finally made me appreciate Floyd Mayweather as a fighter, his ability it to be able to read another fighters style and adapt his to suit this is what he did with Hatton.

I am a Big Hatton fan but there is no shame in getting beat by PBF he may be one of the greatest fighters to ever put on gloves

Floyd Beats Hatton at any weight in the same way

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How is it not hard to understand at fight at 140 would be different ?

Of course it would be different. It's a different weight class and it suits Hatton better whearas 147 suited Mayweather better.

Mayweather has not fought at 140 in years, Hatton at 140 is deadly.

It would be a whole different ball game.

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Well said bud & I fully support & understand the points your making ... its simple enough to me..

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Im just about the biggest hatton fan going and even i dont buy this absurd theory that 7pounds makes a world of difference or even a major one.

Hatton got beat by mayweather because floyd was simply the better fighter and ricky being ricky went for all knowing he had to KO his man and got caught.

Collazo was simply an off night and a massive learning curve for ricky.

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Mate if your saying a fighter coming down from lite mid to welter (ODLH fight) to fight a lite welter moving up to welter, even tho he has consistently through out his career shown to be a better fighter at lite welter (Hatton) ...& even admitting after the Collazo fight that with Collazo's shots he felt the extra weight difference .... then thats even more obsurd ...

& do you really believe Ricky fought Floyd in the belief he would walk through him & go for the legacy ???? ..... personally I dont ....

No ... it was all about money & a shot in the dark re the legacy .... more hoping than believing...& yes he was soundly beaten, & maybe he still would be at 140,

I almost find it insults Hatton by claiming him to be the same fighter at 147 that he is at 140 because he isnt...

He is a shodow of the 140 fighter when fighting 147...:beerchug:


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Im just about the biggest hatton fan going and even i dont buy this absurd theory that 7pounds makes a world of difference or even a major one.

Hatton got beat by mayweather because floyd was simply the better fighter and ricky being ricky went for all knowing he had to KO his man and got caught.

Collazo was simply an off night and a massive learning curve for ricky.

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Mate if your saying a fighter coming down from lite mid to welter (ODLH fight) to fight a lite welter moving up to welter, even tho he has consistently through out his career shown to be a better fighter at lite welter (Hatton) ...& even admitting after the Collazo fight that with Collazo's shots he felt the extra weight difference .... then thats even more obsurd ...

& do you really believe Ricky fought Floyd in the belief he would walk through him & go for the legacy ???? ..... personally I dont ....

No ... it was all about money & a shot in the dark re the legacy .... more hoping than believing...& yes he was soundly beaten, & maybe he still would be at 140,

I almost find it insults Hatton by claiming him to be the same fighter at 147 that he is at 140 because he isnt...

He is a shodow of the 140 fighter when fighting 147...:beerchug:


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You know i'm with ya on everything you just said... Whether both fighters meeting up at 140 OR 147 would make any difference to the course of the fight or the outcome, is a question for philosophy... It may well make no difference at all....

But it my mind it is 100% certain that either mentally, or physically, or both, P4P, Ricky brings more into the ring at 140 than at 147.. I can't see it any other way in regards to that one fact..

But no day of the week I would say that Hatton moving up to 147 effected the end result of his fight against Floyd.. Just the percentage of potential he brought into the ring was affected... It's almost boxing fact & legend at the same time.. Every time a fighter changes weight up and down, we talk about it's effects vs the opponent who is doing the same, or fighting at their dominant weight.....